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Old 07-21-2007, 07:35 PM
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So, quick question...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YykwBCIIUxs

Did that actually happen?
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:40 PM
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For all of you who've finished the book...

MASSIVE SPOILERS

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Wasn't that the most amazing ending you've ever read? The way Snape redeemed himself, the meeting between Dumbledore and Harry at the end, and the final epilogue? True, the middle of the book seemed to bog down quite a lot with way too much dialogue and not enough action, but once the book dwindles down to the last few hundred pages, it is non stop action. I actually cried when Harry realized that he must sacrifice himself to kill Voldemort, and the incorporation of the Three Hallows added further depth to this most incredible story.

Thank you JK Rowling for the greatest books ever written.
Additional spoilers pending...

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It was fantastic. I don't think it ever got bogged down -- all though all the aimless tromping through the woods was driving me a little crazy. (As in: I'm already 350 pages in and they still haven't achieved a damn thing -- how is JK planning to wrap all this up?)

I cried at that part too. And before that, when Lestrange's knife found its mark. I'm not too much of a pussy to admit it.

But the whole "fuck you Tom Riddle, I am the master of the Elder Wand" part -- fucking A.
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:57 PM
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Imagine being on the receiving end. Tell me something you don't like and I'll pollute every website, tv station and radio station with it for the next 15 years (which is will be once the last two films are done). See if you don't get sick of it.
What makes you think we don't? I'm pretty sick of hearing about a whole boatload of shallow media culture bullshit that's been going on for more than 15 years and shows no signs of stopping. Meanwhile, there's this sliver of cultural activity which encourages both imagination and literacy among a surprisingly large and fervent segment of the population. If you aren't hooked yourself, fine. But why begrudge the others?

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"Greatest books ever written" my arse. Enjoyable they may very well be, and of course all the fans are entitled to enjoy them, but come on. Get a grip. They're kids books for Christ sake. Even if they're the greatest kids books ever written the very level of language required to be a kids book precludes them from being the best books of all time.
A couple of things. It's fair to say they aren't the greatest books ever written, probably not even the greatest fantasy books ever written. They do have certain limitations. The characterization can be a little ham-handed at times. And while the writing is crisp and often vivid, Rowling doesn't have the same poetic way with language that we find with, say, Ursula K. Leguin. But in many senses the books are masterfully made. She can craft an impeccable mystery plot, both within each book and over the continuing arc of seven interlinked books. And she always manages to hit you with thrilling surprises that don't feel contrived because you find she planted the seeds 5 chapters ago -- or in some cases, 5 books ago. No mean feat, that. Beyond which, she does embody some quite profound and genuinely engaging themes in very accessible language and storylines. She's not just some hack who got lucky to hit it big -- she knows what she's doing.

Beyond all that, it's absurd to ridicule them on the basis that they are "just kid's books." Some of the greatest masterpieces of English literature have been written as children's books. (See Lewis Carroll.)
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:58 PM
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So, quick question...

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Did that actually happen?
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So is he dead or isn't he? The time when the rest of us, who ordinarily would have nothing against people liking something we don't, can stop hearing about it and having it rammed down our throats will be a glorious day.
Rammed down your throat? This is not gay porn, this is Harry Potter. Harry Potter = Cultural Phenomenon. Harry Potter = The new Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings. The fact that the matter is, the books have become one of the highest selling objects of all time - and this is not due to the fact that the books suck. Children nowadays have precious little to read with the boom of the internet. The average teenager in the USA would spend more time reading internet blogs and news articles than reading a book - me included. But the fact is, Harry Potter has encouraged us to read, because it is that damn good. And no matter how childish you think the writing is, ultimately it succeeds in creating a new world, where our imaginations can run free and wild, a world in which we feel empathy towards every character, and a world in which we wish to be a part of, if only for just one day. Childish my ass - these books contain incredibly deep themes, and more than that, they help children around the world enjoy a bit of literature. Can William Shakespeare do that?

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Imagine being on the receiving end. Tell me something you don't like and I'll pollute every website, tv station and radio station with it for the next 15 years (which is will be once the last two films are done). See if you don't get sick of it.
Again, this not gay porn. You are not on the receiving end of any wang. This is by far and away the most selfish comment to make - you dislike Harry Potter so you'll go out of your way to make us miserable for your taste in books? A wee bit CHILDISH don't you think?

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"Greatest books ever written" my arse. Enjoyable they may very well be, and of course all the fans are entitled to enjoy them, but come on. Get a grip. They're kids books for Christ sake. Even if they're the greatest kids books ever written the very level of language required to be a kids book precludes them from being the best books of all time.
Again, what does it matter which genre they're in? Kids, fantasy, whatever genre you wish to put it in - people of all ages can enjoy it. I enjoyed it when I was a titchy ten year old, I enjoyed it when I was a hormonal fifteen year old, and now on the brink of adulthood, I just happen to enjoy each book more and more. You fail to realize that just because Harry Potter was a child once, doesn't mean that the writing quality is for itty bitty kids. zgodt is older than Dumbledore himself and he happens to enjoy the books.

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Being a fan of a series is one thing, but the hysteria and ridiculous obsession around Potter is insane. Anyone see footage of all the crazy idiots queued outside book stores dressed as wizards and shit? And I thought Star Wars nerds were bad!
Sometimes ridiculous obsession is bad for you. But this is the complete opposite; Harry Potter obsession is just about the healthiest obsession you can find - we all LOVE the books, and we LOVE being transported to a land where the magical can occur, where reality becomes mixed with our wildest dreams. Anyone see footage of all the crazy idiots queued outside Metal Concerts dressed as lumps of hideous shit? And I thought Harry Potter geeks like me were bad!
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It was fantastic. I don't think it ever got bogged down -- all though all the aimless tromping through the woods was driving me a little crazy. (As in: I'm already 350 pages in and they still haven't achieved a damn thing -- how is JK planning to wrap all this up?)

I cried at that part too. And before that, when Lestrange's knife found its mark. I'm not too much of a pussy to admit it.

But the whole "fuck you Tom Riddle, I am the master of the Elder Wand" part -- fucking A.
That final scene was badass. I hope Daniel Radcliffe can pull it off in the movie.
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That final scene was badass. I hope Daniel Radcliffe can pull it off in the movie.
His acting has come a long way. He'll do fine.

As long as they don't water it down too much in the script, as they did Dumbledore's bit in the last battle of Order of the Phoenix...
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To each his own I suppose.


Even if you do like the books, you have to admit lining up at midnight is pretty nerdy. I think there is a difference between.."Hey these books are pretty good..I cant wait for the next one" and "OMFG, THE NEW HARRY POTTER IS COMING OUT!! WHERES MY BROOMSTICK!"

To some extent, I agree that they are great books because they allow kids to escape their own world and live in a fantasy world, but to say that is a perfectly healthy obsession is a little far off. Some kids MAY be able to seperate fantasy from reality, but dont you see how corrosive it could be to others?

I will quite pissing on Harry Potter, but I still find it peculiar since EVERYONE likes the book, no one is allowed to dislike it. If I like a band that no one else likes, I catch shit for it. If there is something else in the media (Eragon, Da Vinci Code) that a smaller percentage of the population enjoys, everyone else is bitching and complaining. Its just funny how just because the collective public opinion of this book is positive, any dissenters are shit on. Maybe I will give these books another try, maybe not.

I liked the few movies I have seen from this series, maybe that will motivate me to read the books. But I hope people here can step back in a few years and laugh at themselves over this fanatacism.

To each his own. I prefer Dragonlance myself.

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Yea, fuck anyone whos a fanatic, i mean they should just fucking go to hell for liking something and wanting to express it especially all those douchebags who walk around in biker vests with band patches all over the place. they should just get a fucking life! and especially when theyre on tv, cause ill be DAMNED if anyone puts something on tv that annoys me!
Touche Mike, but there is a difference between "Hey I like this book/movie/band, how about you?" and "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT US, WE ALL LOVE THIS BOOK/MOVIE/BAND!!!!!!! YAY!!!"

What if everyone was dancing around praising the new Transformers movie, as the best movie ever made..better than the cartoon series in every aspect. I bet you would be pissed, right? In the end, its a matter of personal preference. If everyone saw it that way, I wouldnt be posting in this thread. But there is a sense that because SO many people like the book, and SO many people are willing to stand outside at midnight in costume, and SO many media outlets are focusing on it instead of the war, the economy, [insert anything more imporant to our lives than a kids book], that EVERYONE, even non fans, have to hear about it, read about it, look into it. It is very hard to express how it feels to be someone that doesnt like something, when EVERYONE else does. I am not trying to sound selfish or big-headed, or a rebel...its just a really weird situation. The collective publics opinion versus the individuals personal preference.
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