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Old 06-18-2007, 07:58 PM
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You don't believe free expression should be suppressed out of moral disagreement? Ever heard of NAMBLA? The bullets on their web site sound very libetarian but are really about legalizing forms of pediphilia.
As long as it stays just talk, then fine. Let the sick fucks have their twisted little fantasies. But, just like anything else, if it leads to actions that are illegal, all bets are off. In that way, it's not really any different from anything else we're discussing.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:59 PM
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if everyone here was a satanist we would have killed each other by now because satanic law deems we destroy those who annoy us.
No, Pavo would have just banned us all.
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Yah know what...Screw this. I dont support Satanism, I do support religious freedom and the freedom of expression and the freedom to information. Thats it..I am done.

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As long as it stays just talk, then fine. Let the sick fucks have their twisted little fantasies. But, just like anything else, if it leads to actions that are illegal, all bets are off. In that way, it's not really any different from anything else we're discussing.
Jesus, thank you for saying that.
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TI dont know why this has become a "Satanism is bad because...." argument. Mike, you of all people should be most infuriated that freedom of speech and press is being endangered. I dont support Satanism, but is it right for society to automatically label them as murderers and corrupt? It also saddens me that you, Mike, focused only on a small part of my argument (that all belief systems, at their core are harmless, only the believers are dangerous), and you ignored my "Parents need to tame their kids instead of meddling in other peoples busness" statement.
I'll take credit for steering the debate to that point. It relates directly why I would restrict the sales of black metal from minors.
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Let's back up for a moment. It doesn't matter what Satanism preaches, because that doesn't necessarily dictate what actions its followers will take. Christianity has much more positive messages as its main philosophy, but which religion has had more violence committed in its name? You can't punish people for what they might do, only what they've done.
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Fuck it, why am I getting involved in this?
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Well, of course "when it's too late." Do we catch murderers BEFORE they kill someone? You can say that it's possible, that someone may have eventually killed someone, but it's impossible to prove.
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Let's back up for a moment. It doesn't matter what Satanism preaches, because that doesn't necessarily dictate what actions its followers will take. Christianity has much more positive messages as its main philosophy, but which religion has had more violence committed in its name? You can't punish people for what they might do, only what they've done.
Goddamn you are on a roll.

To be honest, I am only against restricting sales to minors because I am a minor....Once I hit 18, I probably won't give a shit. But wont kids just find their music on the internet, like they already do?

But, the main idea of this whole thread is that these bands are being banned from PERFORMING in Poland.....Anyone want to take the authoritarian stance on this one, and say what happens in the privacy of a privately-owned club/venue, in the presence of fans that willfully purchased tickets to see the band performing, should be regulated/outlawed?
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:11 PM
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Let's not even mention the absolutely ridiculous fact that Marilyn Manson was banned for the same reasons as Behemoth.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:20 PM
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Goddamn you are on a roll.

To be honest, I am only against restricting sales to minors because I am a minor....Once I hit 18, I probably won't give a shit. But wont kids just find their music on the internet, like they already do?

But, the main idea of this whole thread is that these bands are being banned from PERFORMING in Poland.....Anyone want to take the authoritarian stance on this one, and say what happens in the privacy of a privately-owned club/venue, in the presence of fans that willfully purchased tickets to see the band performing, should be regulated/outlawed?
In principle, I'd take the partial authoritarian stance in a similar age restriction as I've suggested for album sales for concerts. No pun intended but the devil is in the details.
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