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Old 05-02-2007, 05:44 PM
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That's ok... but I will have to agree with the nobel prize though.
Saying an art "must" be used in a certain way to achieve something is something I'm not down with.
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Saying an art "must" be used in a certain way to achieve something is something I'm not down with.
A political agenda must use all the tools it can, specially the political agenda of the ones who are segregated, oppressed, exploited and have no other means than his/her words. Art is resistance and as resistance it must communicate the voice of those who are oppressed.
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A political agenda must use all the tools it can, specially the political agenda of the ones who are segregated, oppressed, exploited and have no other means than his/her words. Art is resistance and as resistance it must communicate the voice of those who are oppressed.
But I don't like the idea of confining literature to fit that specific purpose alone as Sarte is suggesting.
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Sure... I will say it in once sentence. Literature must be engaged in changing the power relationships, it should be used to fight against social injustice and to serve the agenda of the ones who are at the bottom of the social pyramid.
Yeah, I am sympathetic to that. Sounds rather compatible with Toni Morrison's statement, too. But I would tend to favor a rather expansive view of how art should serve the needs (rather than the "agenda") of those in need.
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A political agenda must use all the tools it can, specially the political agenda of the ones who are segregated, oppressed, exploited and have no other means than his/her words. Art is resistance and as resistance it must communicate the voice of those who are oppressed.
Isnt calling for all artists to resist, just forcing conformity?
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Isnt calling for all artists to resist, just forcing conformity?
Au contraire... to resist is to fight and art is one of the many fields in which the war is being fought.
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Yeah, I am sympathetic to that. Sounds rather compatible with Toni Morrison's statement, too. But I would tend to favor a rather expansive view of how art should serve the needs (rather than the "agenda") of those in need.
I favor the use of the word agenda as is more structural than needs. Agenda refers to a set of goals and tasks set by a collectivity rather than the word "needs" that refers more to the individual.
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But I don't like the idea of confining literature to fit that specific purpose alone as Sarte is suggesting.
That's fair but I disagree.
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Au contraire... to resist is to fight and art is one of the many fields in which the war is being fought.
But I feel that if artists are expected to dissent, then they are actually following a predetermined standard.
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Not necessarily. I think the stories of dragons and knights were around first. I think politicians being compared to dragons is better than dragons being compared to politicians, if that makes any sense at all.
There have always been power struggles, which is all that politics is. Mythologies -- the old stories -- themselves were built to reflect certain power relationships, preferences, moral codes... And what we learn from such stories does affect how we see the world and our place in it. So I believe fables and myths and fairy tales to be as political as anything.
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