MASTODON, AGAINST ME!, and CURSIVE announce tour

[powerslave_85]

Originally Posted by neilpeartjr.

Well, yea, it means playing you're instrument well and performing well.

I don't mean to sound like an ass, but for future reference, I'd like to know who those bands are (especially after hearing Johnny Ramone say stuff like he never pracitced guitar because he was afraid he would hurt their sound).

AFI
Bad Religion
Fugazi
The Clash
Sleater-Kinney
Hot Water Music
NoMeansNo
Strung Out

A few of those bands (AFI, Sleater-Kinney, NoMeansNo) have members who are arguably virtuosos at their respective instruments. There's more, but I'm having a hard time thinking right now.

David Thorpe is hilarious. If he can make me laugh at music that I love, he's good.

Oh, and using the Ramones as a standard of punk musicianship is a pretty terrible argument.

[JRA]

Originally Posted by powerslave_85

AFI
Bad Religion
Fugazi
The Clash
Sleater-Kinney
Hot Water Music
NoMeansNo
Strung Out

A few of those bands (AFI, Sleater-Kinney, NoMeansNo) have members who are arguably virtuosos at their respective instruments. There's more, but I'm having a hard time thinking right now.

Well, the reason I said for future reference is because I didn't want you to bend over backwards to mention every band you knew who could do so.


Fugazi was on my hypothetical "Punk shopping guide" though, so thanks for pointing that out.

[JRA]

Originally Posted by powerslave_85

Oh, and using the Ramones as a standard of punk musicianship is a pretty terrible argument.

I hope so. The Ramones have kinda grown on me, but still.

[ChildrenofSodom]

Originally Posted by powerslave_85

Are you one of those assholes who stands there with his arms crossed and gets pissed whenever someone bumps into him? I'm sorry, but if going nuts during my favorite songs and pumping my fist and screaming every word makes me an dipshit, then so be it.

No, I jump around, pump my fists, and occasionally mosh.....but have you never seen the kids that jump around, flailing their arms, hitting everyone around them, making it hell for the others trying to enjoy the music. I think the closeness of the crowd and the movement of everyone adds to the atmosphere of the show, but there is a limit. When I'm getting punched in the back of the head, or being hip-checked out of my rail spot, just because some jackass and his girlfriend feel they are more deserving....that is too far...not my idea of fun.

[Spiral_Slave]

I'm really not looking to start a huge fight here, but there is no way you can jusitfy saying The Clash " play the hell " out of their instruments. I was a fan of the band for a long time, and this is just not true.

[zgodt]

Originally Posted by Spiral_Slave

I'm really not looking to start a huge fight here, but there is no way you can jusitfy saying The Clash " play the hell " out of their instruments. I was a fan of the band for a long time, and this is just not true.

Do you dispute that they are good musicians?

[zgodt]

Originally Posted by powerslave_85

AFI
Bad Religion
Fugazi
The Clash
Sleater-Kinney
Hot Water Music
NoMeansNo
Strung Out

A few of those bands (AFI, Sleater-Kinney, NoMeansNo) have members who are arguably virtuosos at their respective instruments. There's more, but I'm having a hard time thinking right now.

David Thorpe is hilarious. If he can make me laugh at music that I love, he's good.

Oh, and using the Ramones as a standard of punk musicianship is a pretty terrible argument.

That's a good starting list. There's obviously a lot one could add to it, and I won't belabor the point, except to point out the Subhumans, an early 80s UK punk band who were every bit as ambitious musically as any of the metal bands of their era, using complicated arrangements, inventive time signatures, 15-minute epics, etc.

Oh, and the minutemen deserve mention.

Because punk has always been pretty much diametrically opposed to the masturbatory guitar excesses that characterize much of metal, punk guitarists tend toward a stripped down, often solo-less approach that renders them fairly invisible in terms of the guitar technique debates. But J. Robbins of Jawbox and Burning Airlines and now Channels is my Jimi Hendrix, because of his completely unique (while not technically "flashy") approach to the instrument.

But apart from guitarists, the bassists and drummers of many punk bands are completely fucking dynamite -- especially those of NoMeansNo (best drummer and best bass player I've ever heard) and the minutemen.

[zgodt]

As for fans, I've been to a lot of punk shows, and a lot of metal shows. The argument that punk fans are ruder, or stupider, or in any other way inherently worse than metal fans is completely untenable, in my experience. To claim such is more a reflection of your biases than any kind of factual observation.

[Spiral_Slave]

Originally Posted by zgodt

Do you dispute that they are good musicians?

I'm not saying they suck at their instruments, but I think " playing the hell " out them is definitely not true.

[zgodt]

Originally Posted by Spiral_Slave

I'm not saying they suck at their instruments, but I think " playing the hell " out them is definitely not true.

I understand what you're saying, but I guess it depends on your interpretation. They definitely could pull off a greater variety of sounds than most bands of that or any era.