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Old 08-07-2007, 09:55 PM
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a) funny cause of the way its written

b) because she goes around the internet saying how she wishes she aborted her son ("poured him down the sink", "stabbed him with a rusty coat hanger") just because he looked at porn. also her blog which is full of rediculous overly-dramatic nonsense.


EDIT: i realize it was one of her mindless paranoid followers who made the "wish i aborted my son" comment, so i change "she needs to die" to "her cult and everyone in it needs to die"
To me, the writing just seems like a bunch of trite misogyny. I could see a Limbaugh-loving dittohead finding it funny, but I would've placed more faith in the likes of you.

As you've noted, most of the article is not actually about Seelhoff herself, but instead about one individual who happened to post on her forums. Would it be fair to lambaste Ed on the basis of the shit I say on this forum? Would it be fair to lambaste everyone else here besides Ed? You know better than to engage in the kind of mindless generalizing that these douchebags are doing.

On top of that -- unquestionably, a mother wishing that she'd aborted her child because he's grown up to look at pornography is fucked up. However, if you read her posts, you'll see that Biting Beaver has got a lot of issues feeding into that -- not the least of which is that she understands herself to have been raped by her husband (which does indeed happen) and that she understands her porn-loving son to have been the product of that rape. If you believe what she says (and what basis do you and I have to doubt her?) then she deserves a bit more compassion and a bit less scorn.

If, however, you take what she says with a grain of salt, then there are many other cans of worms to contend with. Most obviously, why not also take what she says about regretting not having an abortion with an equal grain of salt? And/or, what is it about her mental makeup and/or her experience that leads her to believe all men are sick, woman-abusing, rapists-in-waiting? You don't come to that conclusion on the basis of a women's studies class, much less a feminist blog. Something has gone astray with her. Again, I don't see where there's a basis there to despise her. Much less to start up an internet campaign reveling in her humiliation.
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:32 PM
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To me, the writing just seems like a bunch of trite misogyny. I could see a Limbaugh-loving dittohead finding it funny, but I would've placed more faith in the likes of you.

As you've noted, most of the article is not actually about Seelhoff herself, but instead about one individual who happened to post on her forums. Would it be fair to lambaste Ed on the basis of the shit I say on this forum? Would it be fair to lambaste everyone else here besides Ed? You know better than to engage in the kind of mindless generalizing that these douchebags are doing.

On top of that -- unquestionably, a mother wishing that she'd aborted her child because he's grown up to look at pornography is fucked up. However, if you read her posts, you'll see that Biting Beaver has got a lot of issues feeding into that -- not the least of which is that she understands herself to have been raped by her husband (which does indeed happen) and that she understands her porn-loving son to have been the product of that rape. If you believe what she says (and what basis do you and I have to doubt her?) then she deserves a bit more compassion and a bit less scorn.

If, however, you take what she says with a grain of salt, then there are many other cans of worms to contend with. Most obviously, why not also take what she says about regretting not having an abortion with an equal grain of salt? And/or, what is it about her mental makeup and/or her experience that leads her to believe all men are sick, woman-abusing, rapists-in-waiting? You don't come to that conclusion on the basis of a women's studies class, much less a feminist blog. Something has gone astray with her. Again, I don't see where there's a basis there to despise her. Much less to start up an internet campaign reveling in her humiliation.


After going to Seelhoffs website (well, the only one still working) and reading not only things she posts but her delusional fanbase posts aswell it can only be summed up with this =>

It's basically just open sexism and discrimination against males labeled as "feminism". Every problem in the world is because of men, looking at porn is just as bad as rape, the few hundred thousand people who clicked on a link to her site and killed the bandwitdth are "sexual terrorists", and the wikipedia mods who want her self-written auotbiography page removed (breach of ToS) are just oppressive male chauvinists.

The comments get even more looney than that, but basically you get the point. I'd also like to know how anonymous people automatically become males. That woman and her following are just extremist bigots (replace the word "men" in any of the writting with "jews" or something and you can see its just the same dribble racists spit out), and it's nice to see them get what was coming to em.


see for yourself: http://womensspace.wordpress.com/200...ual-terrorism/ just a bunch of baseless assumptions made on nothing but their penis envy.
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:36 PM
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:38 AM
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After going to Seelhoffs website (well, the only one still working) and reading not only things she posts but her delusional fanbase posts aswell it can only be summed up with this =>

It's basically just open sexism and discrimination against males labeled as "feminism". Every problem in the world is because of men, looking at porn is just as bad as rape, the few hundred thousand people who clicked on a link to her site and killed the bandwitdth are "sexual terrorists", and the wikipedia mods who want her self-written auotbiography page removed (breach of ToS) are just oppressive male chauvinists.

The comments get even more looney than that, but basically you get the point. I'd also like to know how anonymous people automatically become males. That woman and her following are just extremist bigots (replace the word "men" in any of the writting with "jews" or something and you can see its just the same dribble racists spit out), and it's nice to see them get what was coming to em.


see for yourself: http://womensspace.wordpress.com/200...ual-terrorism/ just a bunch of baseless assumptions made on nothing but their penis envy.
I am reading and... I'm about 13 responses into the commentary and... I don't see it. Where's the wacky hatred? The phrase "sexual terrorists" may be a bit over the top, but on the other hand, there is something weird about the hackers calling their actions "raep." Other than that, I see a lot of sympathy from women who are sad their internet pal has had this ordeal. And I see posts like this:

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Heart, when bad things happen, I try to do something good that I wouldnít have otherwise done. I hear about something bad happening, something done in mean spirit, and I turn around and do something good in the spirit of kindness, to put something decent back in the world. It gives me power in the face of this crap.

Hereís what I plan on doing in the next five days that I wouldnít have done if I hadnít heard about this assault on Heartís work:

1. Iím going to spend 6 hours this week volunteering at my local womenís shelter - one hour for every year Heartís spent building her site. I know they need help sorting donations and cleaning, and while I hate doing that stuff, Iím so there....
Tell me what's wrong with that?
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:11 AM
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:52 AM
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I am reading and... I'm about 13 responses into the commentary and... I don't see it. Where's the wacky hatred? The phrase "sexual terrorists" may be a bit over the top, but on the other hand, there is something weird about the hackers calling their actions "raep." Other than that, I see a lot of sympathy from women who are sad their internet pal has had this ordeal. And I see posts like this:


Tell me what's wrong with that?

Oops, I meant to link to this one: http://womensspace.wordpress.com/200...g-may-trigger/

Basically theyre just doing what they do best and whine about their bandwidth being killed and how it's equal to raep and they'll never emotionally recover blah blah blah. Then a guy comes in and says its a shame that this happened to them and they somehow manage to make him out to be pro-raep. The only logic in that void of ignorance is in post 62 where a guy tells them how hypocritical they all are.


Also, to help justify my claim of extremism, this woman is apparently running for president and wants to impose a "man tax" on all males in the US.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:14 AM
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Oops, I meant to link to this one: http://womensspace.wordpress.com/200...g-may-trigger/

Basically theyre just doing what they do best and whine about their bandwidth being killed and how it's equal to raep and they'll never emotionally recover blah blah blah. Then a guy comes in and says its a shame that this happened to them and they somehow manage to make him out to be pro-raep. The only logic in that void of ignorance is in post 62 where a guy tells them how hypocritical they all are.


Also, to help justify my claim of extremism, this woman is apparently running for president and wants to impose a "man tax" on all males in the US.
I guess I don't see where you get off saying this: "theyre just doing what they do best and whine." I mean, the woman is getting emails from men describing in detail how they want to rape and murder her. And her other sites did in fact get taken down because of overloaded bandwidth, meaning that her freedom of speech has been substantially constrained. You think she and her internet community should feel hunky-dory about all this?

And yeah, a few people did jump on poor Spencer a bit -- but on the other hand, pretty much everything they have to say makes sense, and post after post I agree with them that Spencer's well-intentioned post reveals him to be something of a selfish nitwit. I mean, what the fuck was he thinking, saying "I just want you to know not all men are like this"? No shit sherlock!

Anyone running on the platform of a "man tax" is obviously not expecting to get elected. She's trying to get some new ideas injected into the discourse. Nothing wrong with that. I've heard far worse ideas from bigwigs of both major parties.

And no, dude in post #62 is full of shit.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:50 AM
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I guess I don't see where you get off saying this: "theyre just doing what they do best and whine." I mean, the woman is getting emails from men describing in detail how they want to rape and murder her. And her other sites did in fact get taken down because of overloaded bandwidth, meaning that her freedom of speech has been substantially constrained. You think she and her internet community should feel hunky-dory about all this?

And yeah, a few people did jump on poor Spencer a bit -- but on the other hand, pretty much everything they have to say makes sense, and post after post I agree with them that Spencer's well-intentioned post reveals him to be something of a selfish nitwit. I mean, what the fuck was he thinking, saying "I just want you to know not all men are like this"? No shit sherlock!

Anyone running on the platform of a "man tax" is obviously not expecting to get elected. She's trying to get some new ideas injected into the discourse. Nothing wrong with that. I've heard far worse ideas from bigwigs of both major parties.

And no, dude in post #62 is full of shit.

Oh well, agree to disagree I guess. I still think they're just being overly-dramatic, and that only encourages the trolls even more. If they didn't spend every waking moment trying to point out possible "oppression" and got over it maybe they could enjoy their lives and not be such crotchety bitches. Women in general are not oppressed, and just because every now and then a person acts rude or has no class doesn't mean otherwise. And regardless, that beaver woman is out of her mind and should be psychologically evaluated, this whole thing started over her insane comments.

and my "they like to whine" comment is because these are the same type of people who act like this-
"he didnt hold the door open for me, men dont have any respect for women as equals!"
"hey dont belittle me by holding the door open, dont you respect that women can do things for themselves!?"
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:57 AM
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Oh well, agree to disagree I guess. I still think they're just being overly-dramatic, and that only encourages the trolls even more. If they didn't spend every waking moment trying to point out possible "oppression" and got over it maybe they could enjoy their lives and not be such crotchety bitches. Women in general are not oppressed, and just because every now and then a person acts rude or has no class doesn't mean otherwise. And regardless, that beaver woman is out of her mind and should be psychologically evaluated, this whole thing started over her insane comments.

and my "they like to whine" comment is because these are the same type of people who act like this-
"he didnt hold the door open for me, men dont have any respect for women as equals!"
"hey dont belittle me by holding the door open, dont you respect that women can do things for themselves!?"
Yes they are.

I agree with you about one thing: Biting Beaver has psychological issues and should probably see a therapist. Here's one place where I guess we diverge: I believe that people who think it's a good idea to torment psychologically troubled individuals are plain and simple assholes.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:54 AM
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Yes they are.

I agree with you about one thing: Biting Beaver has psychological issues and should probably see a therapist. Here's one place where I guess we diverge: I believe that people who think it's a good idea to torment psychologically troubled individuals are plain and simple assholes.

Oh, I'll agree that they're assholes, but I still think it's funny that shes getting spammed. Also, saying "women are not oppressed" was applying to the united states only, as I realize there's plenty of other places in the world that are still behind the times.
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