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Old 03-12-2007, 06:48 PM
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So, to keep this on topic

3D Geometrical modeling of excavation units at the archaeological site of Tell' Acharneh (Syria) by L.M Losier et al
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I'm done arguing whether evolution is true or not......For one, it is against the law. Secondly, everyone is missing my whole point...which isnt to disprove all of science, but to encourage more critical looks at the theory of evolution.

I'm done. Shouldnt have ever brought it up...no one understands what I am trying to get at, so its pointless..

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I get what you're trying to say, but my problem is that you're poking your fingers through certain holes in the theory that don't exist. Also, I take it to mean that you really didn't read what I posted, and probably didn't even click it.

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I think if someone sat down with me and explained this, I would understand evolution a little bit better:
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Or that just by chance some organism developed a helpful mutation, and some how knew how to use that mutation for the better......Such as...if a fish was born with some primitive lungs (by chance), how would they survive in the water, and if they did somehow survived in the water (with lungs), how did they know to go onto land? And even if they could breathe, the rest of their body wouldnt be suitable for land life....so it would take a substantial amount of time for that fishes offspring (if it had any, which is doubtful) to develop legs or another organs to survive on land.....That chance is so very unlikely......

And I thought I learned that mutations couldnt be passed through gametes, so then how could the new mutations be passed on to offspring?
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As a scholar professionally devoted to the study of social evolution and with a fair acquaintance of Darwinian evolution I must say I am completely appalled by the lack of knowledge about key facts that any person who wants to engage into a debate about evolution should know. Also the total misunderstanding of the concept of science bothers me and worries me deeply. I do not know where to begin with… this concerns me as a scholar as a social scientist.

Science is a cumulative endeavor that has broad chronological frameworks. To accuse science of not having the answers in a particular time is just silly. What cannot be explained or addressed in an efficient or convincing matter now, will be in the future. It is completely silly to pretend to equal beliefs or faith with empirically tested knowledge. There is an epistemology inherent in any scientific endeavor and for that matter Darwinian evolution is a component of that big spectrum of knowledge that can be labeled as Science. There is no epistemology in Theology there is ontology but no epistemology and it is totally irrationally to pretend to compare and antagonize two entities that do not share a common ground in the way they logically and formally operate.

And just for the record, do not make me start with the archaeological record that exists about the process of human evolution. I do not have to remind you all that I am a professional archaeologist and if anybody wants to dispute archaeological evidence with me… it can be pretty ugly.

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I'm done arguing whether evolution is true or not......For one, it is against the law.

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I get what you're trying to say, but my problem is that you're poking your fingers through certain holes in the theory that don't exist. Also, I take it to mean that you really didn't read what I posted, and probably didn't even click it.

Listen to Christian, he's smart.

Anyway back on track I'm reading Stephen King's Christine.
The holes I refer to are missing transitional fossils, the myth of vestigial organs, the existence of intact trees that span between multiple layers of sediment, life from nonlife, etc......

But that is off topic....
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So, to keep this on topic

3D Geometrical modeling of excavation units at the archaeological site of Tell' Acharneh (Syria) by L.M Losier et al

Sounds fun, do you dig it?




Hahaha, get it, dig, archaeologist, oh man im fucking hilarious.
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I think if someone sat down with me and explained this, I would understand evolution a little bit better:
If you're honestly curious, try poking around at this site. It's full of clear and thoughtful analysis and arranged to answer exactly the kinds of questions you are asking.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/index.html

In particular, you might be interested in this page:

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/c...n/biology.html

It acknowledges the exact question you've asked, but sadly doesn't (yet?) have an active link to answer it. But it does answer questions like "how could an eye evolve?" and "how could sex evolve?"


Edit: If you google "How could a lung evolve on a fish?" you'll get some results that explain some scenarios. Not fantastic sites, from what I can see (e.g., there are typos and bad formatting and shit), but at least you can get an idea of why it's not "so very unlikely" as you might otherwise believe.
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