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Old 05-11-2007, 11:04 PM
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The idea of the tax is to give incentives for governments and companies to reduce carbon emissions on their own -- it's seen as a less intrusive, more market-friendly measure than outright emissions caps. Not to say I disagree or agree with this approach, but it is clearly aimed at environmental improvement (rather than fundraising for the UN).

Do you know what causes water vapor levels to increase in the atmosphere? Higher CO2 levels. We can't regulate water vapor levels directly. We can regulate CO2 levels, with a resulting positive impact on water vapor levels. A source such as the EPA -- especially under the Bush administration -- should not be seen as politically neutral. You need the voices of Greenpeace et al. to balance out the views offered by official/government groups, especially when the latter are so deeply influenced by corporations.

I don't see what's so fascist about the link. It's not proposing a law against having too many kids; just trying to advocate for people to decide to have fewer kids. What's the problem?
So we should wait until it gets proposed as a law to think its a bit extreme? Heres another article http://www.businessandmedia.org/arti...506180903.aspx its this type of extremist self-hating attitude that can lead to serious problems. Especially when people like that are already in powerful places in world government.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:03 AM
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So we should wait until it gets proposed as a law to think its a bit extreme? Heres another article http://www.businessandmedia.org/arti...506180903.aspx its this type of extremist self-hating attitude that can lead to serious problems. Especially when people like that are already in powerful places in world government.
I fail to see what's "extreme" about asking people to consider having fewer children. They aren't talking about compulsion, so even imagining that this would lead to a law being proposed is a bit melodramatic, don't you think?

Okay. So there are a few extremist crackpots in the world. But painting all environmentalists with the same broad brush does nothing for your credibility. If you can't distinguish between sensible scientists arguing for sharp CO2 reductions vs. some idiot saying we need to thin out 85% of the human population... then the education system is in even worse shape than I thought.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:37 AM
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I fail to see what's "extreme" about asking people to consider having fewer children. They aren't talking about compulsion, so even imagining that this would lead to a law being proposed is a bit melodramatic, don't you think?

Okay. So there are a few extremist crackpots in the world. But painting all environmentalists with the same broad brush does nothing for your credibility. If you can't distinguish between sensible scientists arguing for sharp CO2 reductions vs. some idiot saying we need to thin out 85% of the human population... then the education system is in even worse shape than I thought.

Im not generalizing them all that way, Im saying these loons give them a bad name.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:42 AM
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Im not generalizing them all that way, Im saying these loons give them a bad name.
just like there are a few loons that give gun owners a bad name, just like there are a few loons that give conservatives a bad name, and just like there are a few loons that give liberals a bad name.

your point?
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:27 AM
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