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Old 10-16-2006, 08:31 AM
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how did you record that?
Cause my band are going to a recording studio this week, tips would be much appreciated .
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Old 10-16-2006, 08:48 AM
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well it's amazing to be honest. I don't like the bassline so much. But personal preference!
Make sure to send this on once you have vocals on it. And who wrote the guitar?
Thanks! Out of curiosity, what don't you like about it? My friend - the other guitarist/bassist - is the one that wrote the music and played the bass guitar on this recording. It's mostly his guitar parts, but I tweaked a few things (but not much!)
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Old 10-16-2006, 08:55 AM
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how did you record that?
Cause my band are going to a recording studio this week, tips would be much appreciated .
Well, since this is just a rough demo it's not exactly how we'd record for a final song, but it's close:

We start by figuring out the tempo we want to record with. It's usually close to how we practice it, but sometimes we decide to slow it down, or speed it up slightly. Once we have the tempo we lay down guitar and bass first. This is odd, I know, but our drummer prefers it. The bass is through an Ampeg head and cabinet, which we mic. These mics run to a 16 channel Yamaha mixer. My guitar is not amped, it's a direct stereo feed from a Zoom GFX-4 (it's a piece of shit) or a GFX-8 (which belongs to the other guitarist) - for "Messiah" I used my GFX-4. The stereo feed also dumps into the mixer. We have three computers set up. Each one has a different bus from the mixer. For guitar and bass we only needed two computers. One computer recorded my stereo guitar tracks, and the other recorded the left bass microphone and the right bass microphone onto separate tracks.

We record guitar and bass at the same time, so we each have headphones. We hear a metronome and each other. Once we finish, we move the recording from two computers back to one and line it up. Once it's lined up, we record drums. The drummer hears the guitar and bass through headphones (and also his own microphones.)

We have six drum microphones for recording. We actually mic more than that live, but our current recording system is limited to six. We have a kick-mic, a snare mic- two tom mics, and two overheads. These all go to the mixer, and then the mixer sends them to the three computers. The tom microphones, for example, would be a left and a right track on one of the computers.

After the drums are done, we have to line up all six of those tracks to the bass and guitar, which takes a minute, but not much more.

You can actually hear the metronome on our recording at the end, because we forget to chop it off when we were mixing it. At the moment, all our computers use Adobe Audition 1.5 - that's what we're recording and mixing with.
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Old 10-16-2006, 09:18 AM
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Well, since this is just a rough demo it's not exactly how we'd record for a final song, but it's close:

We start by figuring out the tempo we want to record with. It's usually close to how we practice it, but sometimes we decide to slow it down, or speed it up slightly. Once we have the tempo we lay down guitar and bass first. This is odd, I know, but our drummer prefers it. The bass is through an Ampeg head and cabinet, which we mic. These mics run to a 16 channel Yamaha mixer. My guitar is not amped, it's a direct stereo feed from a Zoom GFX-4 (it's a piece of shit) or a GFX-8 (which belongs to the other guitarist) - for "Messiah" I used my GFX-4. The stereo feed also dumps into the mixer. We have three computers set up. Each one has a different bus from the mixer. For guitar and bass we only needed two computers. One computer recorded my stereo guitar tracks, and the other recorded the left bass microphone and the right bass microphone onto separate tracks.

We record guitar and bass at the same time, so we each have headphones. We hear a metronome and each other. Once we finish, we move the recording from two computers back to one and line it up. Once it's lined up, we record drums. The drummer hears the guitar and bass through headphones (and also his own microphones.)

We have six drum microphones for recording. We actually mic more than that live, but our current recording system is limited to six. We have a kick-mic, a snare mic- two tom mics, and two overheads. These all go to the mixer, and then the mixer sends them to the three computers. The tom microphones, for example, would be a left and a right track on one of the computers.

After the drums are done, we have to line up all six of those tracks to the bass and guitar, which takes a minute, but not much more.

You can actually hear the metronome on our recording at the end, because we forget to chop it off when we were mixing it. At the moment, all our computers use Adobe Audition 1.5 - that's what we're recording and mixing with.
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I think we are just going to get it done proffesionally though.
The problem with that is you would normally pick up a lot of background sound etc. The recording does sound very good though.
But did it not cost a lot for the mixer and mics and equiptment?
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Thanks! Out of curiosity, what don't you like about it? My friend - the other guitarist/bassist - is the one that wrote the music and played the bass guitar on this recording. It's mostly his guitar parts, but I tweaked a few things (but not much!)
It sounds a little twangy and out of place in my opinion. It doesn't sound strong, and i can't decide whether it's the music or the recording that makes me dislike it
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I think we are just going to get it done proffesionally though.
The problem with that is you would normally pick up a lot of background sound etc. The recording does sound very good though.
But did it not cost a lot for the mixer and mics and equiptment?
That's cool, professional is the way to go

Yes, and we do. We play in my basement, and yesterday's demo, for instance, was recorded in our practice area, so it picks up a lot of noise. But for our final demo stuff, there's a room connected to our practice area that is insulated, and we use it for the recordings. There's usually no noise in there, and the computers sit outside of the room, so no fan noise or anything. Not professional, but close!

In short, yes it's expensive, however, everything we use to record we also use live. The Yamaha 16-channel mixer was about $400, but it's the mixer for our PA as well. The drum mics are about a $70 setup - they're very cheap. We have two $100 vocal mics, which are used from drums during recordings as well. And again, everything else (bass amp + cab) is used live, so while it was expensive, we use the stuff a lot! We actually have the drums miced during our practices too, which explains why we're all deaf...
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It sounds a little twangy and out of place in my opinion. It doesn't sound strong, and i can't decide whether it's the music or the recording that makes me dislike it
Okay. I hear you on the twangy... you're not the first that's commented on the bass. I think it's a little of both though... I think we could do a better setup for recording the bass, but I think the bass part gets a little "busy" in some spots as well.
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Old 10-16-2006, 09:59 AM
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That's cool, professional is the way to go

Yes, and we do. We play in my basement, and yesterday's demo, for instance, was recorded in our practice area, so it picks up a lot of noise. But for our final demo stuff, there's a room connected to our practice area that is insulated, and we use it for the recordings. There's usually no noise in there, and the computers sit outside of the room, so no fan noise or anything. Not professional, but close!

In short, yes it's expensive, however, everything we use to record we also use live. The Yamaha 16-channel mixer was about $400, but it's the mixer for our PA as well. The drum mics are about a $70 setup - they're very cheap. We have two $100 vocal mics, which are used from drums during recordings as well. And again, everything else (bass amp + cab) is used live, so while it was expensive, we use the stuff a lot! We actually have the drums miced during our practices too, which explains why we're all deaf...
Ah that's not quite as expensive as i would have thought. And that's pretty cool that you have all that backline for live gigs too
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Ah that's not quite as expensive as i would have thought. And that's pretty cool that you have all that backline for live gigs too
Yeah, it's not too bad. I didn't really buy much of our live setup, it was mostly our other guitarist, heheh. Yep, and if we play a gig where we don't need our own PA, at least we still have it around for own practices
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If the vocals don't suck, this song will pwn t3h face.
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