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Old 02-01-2014, 01:54 PM
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I don't care if it rolls over and plays dead, it's still not that good.

As far as "catapulting punk music back into mainstream consciousness", Nirvana took care of that a few years earlier. Dookie was a big album, to be sure. Most kids growing up in the 90's probably owned it. I even owned it at one time. But to consider it a groundbreaking or important album is seriously stretching the definitions of both words.
I'm not saying it's groundbreaking, but it is important. Nirvana was not punk. Nirvana helped grunge into the mainstream that had a trickle-down effect (barely) on punk music. This is the album that made punk okay to play on the radio and on MTV.
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I'm not saying it's groundbreaking, but it is important. Nirvana was not punk. Nirvana helped grunge into the mainstream that had a trickle-down effect (barely) on punk music. This is the album that made punk okay to play on the radio and on MTV.
Yes. They were.

Green Day, and this album, are hugely important for the fact that without them, and around 8/9 other bands, punk rock wouldn't be anywhere near as popular. Them and Nirvana are the Metallica and Iron Maiden of punk rock, they are still the gateway bands every 12 year old hears that makes them fall in love with punk music.

Not a huge Green Day fan at all, but this is a decent record. I was much more a Bad Religion and Nofx kid when I was 13/14, but I had an older sibling to show me the way.
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Yes. They were.
Nirvana's "punk" sound is not what made them popular. Their grunge sound is.
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Nirvana's "punk" sound is not what made them popular. Their grunge sound is.
Nirvana really wanted to be a Punk band but thats how the sound came out. Accidental genre pretty much.
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Nirvana really wanted to be a Punk band but thats how the sound came out. Accidental genre pretty much.
True. I'm not saying they don't have some punk songs (Territorial Pissings alone should convince you of that) but to say they did as much for the punk genre which had receded back into the underground by 1994 that Dookie did is thilly!

Without Dookie, there probably wouldn't even be a blink-182 or the pop punk explosion of the late 90s/early 00s.
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True. I'm not saying they don't have some punk songs (Territorial Pissings alone should convince you of that) but to say they did as much for the punk genre which had receded back into the underground by 1994 that Dookie did is thilly!

Without Dookie, there probably wouldn't even be a blink-182 or the pop punk explosion of the late 90s/early 00s.
Nirvana were a big part of it. Still a huge gateway band for punk rock, if even by proxy.

I'd disagree with the second part though, hugely. 'Cheshire Cat' came out in '95, 'Smash' came out in '94, 'Punk in Drublic' came out in '94 and 'Stranger Than Fiction' came out in '94. 'Dookie' was one of a good few records that was putting punk back on the map in a big way. It wasn't until 'Nimrod' that it become inevitable that Green Day would be mainstream for good, what with Time of Your Life and all. This album was part of a wave.
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Nirvana were a big part of it. Still a huge gateway band for punk rock, if even by proxy.

I'd disagree with the second part though, hugely. 'Cheshire Cat' came out in '95, 'Smash' came out in '94, 'Punk in Drublic' came out in '94 and 'Stranger Than Fiction' came out in '94. 'Dookie' was one of a good few records that was putting punk back on the map in a big way. It wasn't until 'Nimrod' that it become inevitable that Green Day would be mainstream for good, what with Time of Your Life and all. This album was part of a wave.
It's not about who came first, it's about who made the biggest impact.
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Ha. When dookie came out who would've thought they'd go on to write the most annoying cliche song played over photo montages at proms and graduations forever....
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