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Old 08-03-2013, 05:02 PM
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Not in a band, not 100% sure but I have a friend who used to book shows (much smaller scale) and what I recall him telling me that the bands will get their $ in advance and then it's up to the arena/promoters to promote and talk their show up so then they can try to earn back whatever $ was spent on the artists. Again this is most insider info I have. Maybe I'm way off and someone can correct me.
Yeah what happens is for it to be booked the band asks for a upfront fee and that is their money that they get payed no matter what. ( I know a few people who do it for big bands)

For instance for the Avenged Sevenfold tour the bands price is $25,000 for show.

For the last Micheal Graves tour his price was like $700-800.
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Old 08-03-2013, 05:30 PM
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This gets me wondering, who gets paid when the shows sell out and who eats the cost when it's a bust? I know some people here have toured small time, but that never really gets talked about.
The theater I work at, I asked my boss one time and he said there's all sorts of ways. Either band gets money up front or they can rent out the arena or whatever and they make their own money off of ticket sales.
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This gets me wondering, who gets paid when the shows sell out and who eats the cost when it's a bust? I know some people here have toured small time, but that never really gets talked about.
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Yeah what happens is for it to be booked the band asks for a upfront fee and that is their money that they get payed no matter what. ( I know a few people who do it for big bands)

For instance for the Avenged Sevenfold tour the bands price is $25,000 for show.

For the last Micheal Graves tour his price was like $700-800.
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Not in a band, not 100% sure but I have a friend who used to book shows (much smaller scale) and what I recall him telling me that the bands will get their $ in advance and then it's up to the arena/promoters to promote and talk their show up so then they can try to earn back whatever $ was spent on the artists. Again this is most insider info I have. Maybe I'm way off and someone can correct me.


I think that's standard for most bands. Except Anvil. Depends on the size of the band. But a band the size of Megadeth has smart people booking for them so you can be sure that Megadeth and the main support got their full asking prices. The lower tier band that dropped off (can't remember what they were called) were probably the only ones getting fucked over, if anyone even was. Maybe Newsted too but I'd imagine he has smart people booking for him. The venues and promoters probably had to pay a flat-rate for Gigantour, not a set amount for each band where one (the lower tiered bands) could get fucked over.
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I think when ticket sales suck it's mainly the tour promoter who eats any financial loss that happens. I don't have any experience when I comes to booking bands but from what I've read and heard over the years is that each band gets a flat rate just to play. So no matter what they get paid even if the shows sell like shit. But the bands, mainly the headliner, also get a portion of the money made on tickets. I believe the tour promoter gets the bigger piece of that pie. When a promoter books a show they have to pay to rent the venue out for the event and then try and make that back through the ticket sales. Any money made off merchandise also goes right to the band. If there isn't enough money being made then it can hurt bands lower on the bill when it comes to the big package tours and cause them to drop off or not make anything at all during the tour.

The venues themselves get nothing from ticket and merch sales. They get whatever the fee was to rent the venue for the show and what they make at the concession stands. That's why food and drinks cost so much, it's one of the only ways for the venues to make money.

I could be wrong about this. I am by no means an expert on this matter. Like I said, this is just based on info I've gathered through the years.

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I have booked a few local shows. Their are multiple things bands do (at least at the local level). They either ask for a set fee and then the promoter reaps the benefits of the ticket sales. Or the bands and the promoter do a door split. The bands get a certain percentage while the promoter does too. Then the promoter usually doesn't lose money and the bands work harder to get people their. But at the larger level it is usually a set fee and then the bands would get a small percentage of the ticket sales. It depends
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I used to study this in college - you're all right in different ways, it depends on how the promoter does business really. In Ireland, bigger promoters pay the bands a set fee, and then the ticket price is decided from how much people would be willing to pay/the venue cost/if the band want part of ticket sales. Someone like Metallica would take a cut from ticket sales because they can and it's how they do business, someone like Killswitch Engage wouldn't to keep costs of tickets down. Generally speaking, the promoter will pay to get the band over here and get them out of here, as well as take care of them when they are here, and then recoup that with ticket sales - hoping they draw a crowd. As far as merch goes, festivals take a cut of bands merch, but it's a small one, venues for touring bands do not.

From what I've seen and heard, poor ticket sales is on the promoter. Bigger bands get their fee and that's that. Smaller bands will get paid if the promoter isn't a cheating asshole, but that is not always the case. Being a promoter is not an easy job, nor is being a band trying to make it touring. That whole side of the industry is really horrible.
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As a relatively mid-tier metal promoter, it varies just based on an agreement between myself and the person booking a show. Agents for the most part never ask for 100% advance unless the band is on level enough to headline places above 10,000, so basically your arena bands. Some agents will ask for between 5-50% up front to help with various tour costs if needed (bus,van,etc) and others just want to know how many people you think would come out so the ticket price can be adjusted so the band can make the most in a guarantee. All agents put in a back-end deal as well for ticket sales. Typically this is after a 20-30% margin after the guarantee rate and is 75% of ticket sales above that. So a band with a 500 guarantee will have a back-end deal start after 650-700. Often last minute shows are a door-deal where the band will get anywhere between 60-80% of ticket sales after promoter costs are factored in (venue rental,rider,etc). For a tour like Gigantour where the people that booked it also have a piece of Live Nation, Megadeth and BLS are getting 100% of their guarantee every night barring a cancellation for ticket sales. Then it goes to a % of what their guarantee was, typically 75% of that. But for Live Nation, the losses of a tour like this are made up by one Taylor Swift show.
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