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Old 01-18-2012, 03:20 AM
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With the way the government is now, I would be surprised if they actually did meantion where it breaches copyright laws.
Well, standard levels of government corruption etc. aside, personally I'm not seeing the problem. It's about time websites that can't be bothered to police the content their users upload/create/promote came under fire.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:24 AM
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Well, standard levels of government corruption etc. aside, personally I'm not seeing the problem. It's about time websites that can't be bothered to police the content their users upload/create/promote came under fire.
The illegal sites, yeah I have no problem with that. But the legal sites is what I have problem with. Google can one day be illegal because it can lead you to illegal underage Asian Ass Porn. Or Wikipedia get's closed down because it has an article about bittorrents. That's going over the line and if it passes, it will happen.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:26 AM
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The illegal sites, yeah I have no problem with that. But the legal sites is what I have problem with. Google can one day be illegal because it can lead you to illegal underage Asian Ass Porn. Or Wikipedia get's closed down because it has an article about bittorrents. That's going over the line and if it passes, it will happen.
Can you really see them closing Wikipedia and Google? I mean, really? I think people are overreacting. As usual.

YouTube on the other hand, yeah. That place is a liability. And people are complaining that it will drive users away? Well, fucking good. The place is so full of worthless crap it would be better off if no one used it.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:28 AM
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Can you really see them closing Wikipedia and Google? I mean, really? I think people are overreacting.

YouTube on the other hand, yeah. That place is a liability. And people are complaining that it will drive users away? Well, fucking good. The place is so full of worthless crap it would be better off if no one used it.
It's not so much as that it's overreacting as it is....possible. Will it likely happen, if something fucked up happens, it will.

Again I'm not worried about the copyright problems (as long as I can still do my radio show) everything is legit, since I'm getting Promo CDs and songs from the labels and management agencies. I'm playing by the books but I'm concerned on how bad it could get.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:52 AM
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:54 AM
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It's not so much as that it's overreacting as it is....possible.
It's also possible that you could declare war on Germany because you've decided that the law of averages says its about time they started another world war to complete their hattrick, but you won't.

People do love a good protest though, don't they?

On the evidence and detail I've seen so far, I think people like Wikipedia are just overreacting, and everyone else is worried they won't be able to get shitty mp3s for free anymore.

I think we all know it'll never be fully stopped unless ISPs get involved and start blocking things all together, which they won't, but there's clearly a lot that can be done to make it a damn sight harder for any common pleb to be able to download copyrighted material etc.

And any new law creating the power to combat anything at all ALWAYS attracts people who want to protest on the basis of "what if they use this to persecute someone who's innocent". Well, that's true of every law. Ever. Provided the bill doesn't say "the government can break into your homes without a warrant and shoot you on sight without proof," which it clearly isn't going to say, then it's just another law like all the others, with the same risks and benefits of all the others.

That said, we're really not getting the detail of the bill here, just broad headlines and sensationalism over the lame "blackout," so happy to hear of any dodgy clauses in there that may be giving them power to do nasty things, if anyone knows any of the actual detail.
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>see people getting angry/making fun of all the websites making internet censorship awareness
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:26 AM
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Great, thanks for a link to yet more sensationalism and generalisations and no actual detail.

And instead contains stupid comments like this: "Under this bill, sharing a video with anything copyrighted in it, or what sites like Youtube and Twitter do, would be considered illegal behavior according to this bill. "

You know why, under the bill, that would be considered illegal? Because it fucking IS illegal.

And the bit about stopping new companies who aren't doing the filtering of content well enough. Damn right. It's perfectly reasonably to not be allowed to enter an arena you aren't capable of operating in.

Here's how this whole debate seems to have progressed so far:

Internet: "HEY AMERICA, THE GOVERNMENT ARE GOING TO CENSOR THE ME! WAAAAHHH!"

America: "OH SHIT! DON'T BOTHER TELLING ME MORE, I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, INTERNET! GRRR GOVERNMENT!"

So, I refer to my previous comment. Anyone got any actual DETAIL on this besides taking Wikipedia and Google's protest-inciting for it? I've yet to read, in online US media, consumer opinion, or UK media, any argument against the bill that's actual valid.

My point is, I'm sure there is a valid argument against it, because surely people like Google and Wikipedia wouldn't be wading in on it if there weren't. They're not that stupid. Are they? So someone present it. Or are baseless, butthurt articles all we've got so far?

I understand there's an issue around the vague wording of the bill, and that's an issue for sure, but really, the rest seems to so far be a whole lot of overreaction and conjecture.
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