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Old 10-05-2010, 01:03 PM
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The whole notion of punk as fashion has more or less disappeared nowadays, with the exception of a few subcultures (like street punk). Look at some of the more popular/respected punk bands around right now: Bad Religion, Rise Against, Propagandhi, Dillinger Four, etc. None of them dress out of the ordinary; you wouldn't look twice if they passed you on the street. Hell, Bad Religion look more like math teachers and dads at soccer practice than punk rockers these days.
It has to a degree, yes, but there are still remnants of "punk mentality," mostly with street punks, as you mentioned. "It's not true punk unless it's crust, anarcho, or hardcore,"
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The whole notion of punk as fashion has more or less disappeared nowadays, with the exception of a few subcultures (like street punk).
Where I live, there are plenty of people still dressing in the punk fashion. Most of them are young, but I see about twice as many punks as metalheads.
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Well, I think one has to recognize, when analyzing the punk genre, at least to a certain degree there applies an underlying set of principles upon which the genre is based around. And within these principles there tend to be hypocrisies, and blatant at that. Mankvill touched on it to an extent in his first post. First, and I think this is the part Mankvill touched on, there is the "unspoken" notion that punks must act certain ways, dress certain ways, and believe certain things, to an extent, to be identified as a punk. There are always exceptions, but this seems to hold true for the majority of the punk culture. This is hypocritical because it defies individualism, which is the primary prerogative of the culture: individuality. Punk advocates the freedom of expression and thought, and the rebellion of anti-individualism, yet, the mere fact that punks feel they have to dress a certain way or believe certain things is hypocritical to that nature.

The only reason to dress like a punk is to express individuality, right? So is it that expression of individuality that makes someone a punk? If punks are non-conformists, but they conform to that fashion and that expression of individuality, what makes them any more "non-conformist" than anyone else?

This thought process isn't limited to punk though. To be quite clear, metalheads can have the same mentality. Most groups are the same. There are underlying sets of rules that must be met to be identified as a part of the group. If a punk were to tell a pseudo-punk “you’re not punk,” it would imply that there were a certain set of rules and standards that had to be met in order to be identified as a member of the group (and that the pseudo-punk had failed to meet them), which is especially hypocritical to punks because of their roots and foundation of individualism. Punk was hypocritical the moment it gave itself a set of rules, because its own rules are hypocritical to its own establishment. But we see the same thing when a metalhead goes up to a preppy dressed kid in school, who happens to listen to metal, and says "you're not metal." He's inferring that because the preppy kid doesn't dress the way metalheads are "supposed" to dress, he's not metal.
So there are few dimwits in every crowd. A few people who, in the name of liberty, stumble over themselves rushing to fall in line. But that's hardly an indictment of "punk ethos."
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So there are few dimwits in every crowd. A few people who, in the name of liberty, stumble over themselves rushing to fall in line. But that's hardly an indictment of "punk ethos."
I don't think "a few dimwits" quite suffices...
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