Fuck punk ethos.

[powerslave_85]

Originally Posted by elturtleboy

pssssh when ur first get into punk thats the "Rule" to hate known bands.

No.

And sadly thats all punk has to offer nowadays

No.

And studying the metal scene for like a year and something the metal scene is WAY more open minded and smart.

Aaaaaaaand...no.

[Maiden33]

On the subject of "open-mindedness"

Something I don't think people ever think about when fighting this most pointless of battles is that it is possible to have an open mind but still simply know what you like and what you want to listen to, and have that not be a very broad span. It's not a crime to love just one general style of music, though you'd certainly think so from the way many talk. I love metal, generally speaking. I don't feel ashamed to admit that simply hard rock/metal music consumes about 90%+ of my daily listening habits. I do like and certainly appreciate loads of other stuff that is not metal in the least, and will listen to it when I'm in the mood. But overall I know what I love, so I stick to it. Sue me.

But no, I won't deny that the metal scene is full of close-minded morons who only listen to a small variety of bands and shit on everything else. I know a decent number of them personally. But I know people out there who don't have the slightest clue about the depth that exists within metal or other musical genres, and aren't willing to give it a try. Ignorance spreads to a lot of other things, but everyone wants to play pin the tail on the donkey with metal fans.

[powerslave_85]

I'm not saying the punk scene is a utopia of open-mindedness either, but in my personal experience, the idea that metal fans are THAT much better is kind of ridiculous.

[DethMaiden]

I think I actively hate a lot more metal than non-metal. The things I'm least tolerant of are, by definition, metal. It's just shitty metal, which I have the ear to discern from good metal, which may not be the case for every genre.

But re: Jackson's original point, I agree. Capitalism > punks and hippies.

[elturtleboy]

Originally Posted by powerslave_85

I'm not saying the punk scene is a utopia of open-mindedness either, but in my personal experience, the idea that metal fans are THAT much better is kind of ridiculous.

idk were ur from buddy,but thats how it works over here. And if your punk scene is playing more than street punk/crust then i speak only for los angeles.

[Maiden33]

Originally Posted by DethMaiden

I think I actively hate a lot more metal than non-metal. The things I'm least tolerant of are, by definition, metal. It's just shitty metal, which I have the ear to discern from good metal, which may not be the case for every genre.

But re: Jackson's original point, I agree. Capitalism > punks and hippies.

I 100% agree with this statement, as long as we're on the same page that "good metal" and "bad metal", are, by and large, the opinion of whoever is judging.

I hate more metal bands than non-metal bands, that much is for sure. But make no mistake, there are a select few of non-metal (mostly mainstream pop/rock) bands that I really hate on.

[SomewhereInTime72]

Yeah, I hate more music from genres I like the most too.

[Dextrimental]

Originally Posted by Maiden33

I 100% agree with this statement, as long as we're on the same page that "good metal" and "bad metal", are, by and large, the opinion of whoever is judging.

I hate more metal bands than non-metal bands, that much is for sure. But make no mistake, there are a select few of non-metal (mostly mainstream pop/rock) bands that I really hate on.

More or less this. I mean most of the people on this board spend the better margin of their listening time with metal, therefore we've invested alot of time in researching and listening alot of metal, and as such found both good and bad aspects of it. I'm sure if any of us talked to someone who listened to as much punk or classical or indie as we do metal (whether that be a specific style of metal or metal in general) they would say the same thing about the genre they are most versed in.

And of course we could all form a united front on most pop

[mankvill]

No, i'm not really saying the punks around here are lame for hating "known" bands, but when you hate on a fest/tour just because it's sponsored by Scion, then you're a total douche.

[zgodt]

What is Scion?