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Old 06-23-2010, 08:32 AM
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Actually, only Beatles covers can be used in commercials because Michael Jackson (and now, his estate) won't permit originals to be used commercially. [/Beatles geek]
whats michael jackson got to do with the beatles?
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Old 06-23-2010, 08:35 AM
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whats michael jackson got to do with the beatles?
He owns/owned the rights to their catalogue. In his "having more money than God, and spending it" phase, he bought it off Paul McCartney for basically more than he could refuse.
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Old 06-23-2010, 08:49 AM
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Then you'd REALLY hate some of the shit I listen to.

Awesome 2010 Releases (Not Necessarily Metal) That Have Significant Electronic Content
Yeasayer
Fang Island
Crystal Castles
Sleigh Bells
RATATAT
65daysofstatic
God Is an Astronaut


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The Prodigy in 2009
The Crystal Method in 2009
Fuck Buttons in 2009 & 2008
Genghis Tron in 2008
This Will Destroy You in 2008
Sound Tribe Sector 9 in 2008
The Chemical Brothers in 2007
Daft Punk in 2007
Actually I love God Is An Astronaut, 65daysofstatic, This Will Destroy You, and Genghis Tron.

I think that's because they always had that part of them. Muse started off more as a Rock band with a little Electronics, then shifted into an Eletronica band with a little Rock element.
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Old 06-23-2010, 08:58 AM
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^ Nice post. Didn't know you liked the bands you mentioned.

Interesting observation on the shift from guitars to electronics in Muse. I suppose I could buy that to an extent, but I think what is really starting to make their stuff a bit less interesting - to me, at least - is all the Queen worship on The Resistance (even though I like some Queen), and the increased emphasis on vocals and keyboards (whether said keyboards are electronic or straight piano).

Still, we have more common ground on this topic than I thought.



EDIT: Have you heard 65's new one? What do you think?
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:23 AM
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He owns/owned the rights to their catalogue. In his "having more money than God, and spending it" phase, he bought it off Paul McCartney for basically more than he could refuse.
That's not actually how it happened though. McCartney and Jackson at the time were friends and even collaborated together on a couple of hit songs. The story goes that back in 1985 McCartney had a conversation with Jackson about how to invest the money he had and publishing rights to songs is one thing he mentioned to him. Supposedly Michael knew how much Paul was going to bid on the Beatles catalog and he ended up placing a higher bid. He ended up with the rights to like 200 Beatles songs because of it. A smart buisness move by Jackson no doubt about it but he also betrayed and lost a friend. Paul only owned the publishing rights to a handful of The Beatles songs at the time of Michael's purchase of them. I don't believe Paul ever spoke to him again and if he did it was many years after that.

I know Paul has said in interviews that it sucks playing his hits live that he wrote and having to pay someone else for it. Now that Jackson is dead though I'm not sure what became of the rights. But since 1985 if you ever bought a Beatles album you were putting money in Jacko's pocket. I'm guessing any sales now go to his estate.

Also, I find it rather strange that I know this whole story, considering i'm not even a fan of either artist
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:24 AM
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That's not actually how it happened though. McCartney and Jackson at the time were friends and even collaborated together on a couple of hit songs. The story goes that back in 1985 McCartney had a conversation with Jackson about how to invest the money he had and publishing rights to songs is one thing he mentioned to him. Supposedly Michael knew how much Paul was going to bid on the Beatles catalog and he ended up placing a higher bid. He ended up with the rights to like 200 Beatles songs because of it. A smart buisness move by Jackson no doubt about it but he also betrayed and lost a friend. Paul only owned the publishing rights to a handful of The Beatles songs at the time of Michael's purchase of them. I don't believe Paul ever spoke to him again and if he did it was many years after that.

I know Paul has said in interviews that it sucks playing his hits live that he wrote and having to pay someone else for it. Now that Jackson is dead though I'm not sure what became of the rights. But since 1985 if you ever bought a Beatles album you were putting money in Jacko's pocket. I'm guessing any sales now go to his estate.

Also, I find it rather strange that I know this whole story, considering i'm not even a fan of either artist
Sounds like something from a VH1 special. Thanks for correcting me though, I really wasn't sure how it went down, only that it went down.
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^ Nice post. Didn't know you liked the bands you mentioned.

Interesting observation on the shift from guitars to electronics in Muse. I suppose I could buy that to an extent, but I think what is really starting to make their stuff a bit less interesting - to me, at least - is all the Queen worship on The Resistance (even though I like some Queen), and the increased emphasis on vocals and keyboards (whether said keyboards are electronic or straight piano).

Still, we have more common ground on this topic than I thought.



EDIT: Have you heard 65's new one? What do you think?
It's just kind of sad to me because Absolution is one of my top 20 favorite albums of all time, and I was really looking forward to what they would be bringing to the table with BR&R...then I was just But then again, that's just me.


For 65, I only have been able to pick up Weak4, but that is a killer EP. I will be picking up We Were Exploding Away pretty soon.

The other bands you mentioned, I actually haven't heard yet, but it's inspiring me to do some research.
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Yeah, I knew about the covers thing. Point is - either execs are really uncreative or consumers are very easily impressionable.
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For 65, I only have been able to pick up Weak4, but that is a killer EP. I will be picking up We Were Exploding Away pretty soon.
Yeah, it's pretty good. If you liked their last few albums, you should like the new one. Nothing really new on it, but just to keep pace with the last few studio albums puts it into the "awesome" category right away. The new GIAA is pretty solid as well, as I'm assuming you already know. TWDY is supposed to be releasing their new album "Tunnel Blanket" any time now - I can't wait for that.


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The other bands you mentioned, I actually haven't heard yet, but it's inspiring me to do some research.
Let me help narrow the search for you a bit (listed in general order from most electronic to least):

Fuck Buttons are a purely electronic duo from Bristol, UK who are influenced by Aphex Twin and Mogwai. Their music is purely instrumental and sounds a lot like trance music to me, but some of it has a heavier beat than most trance music does.

I assume you may know something about The Chemical Brothers and The Crystal Method, but just in case you don't, they are very similar. The former is UK-based, and the latter is U.S.-based. They are both duos who make purely electronic music. They use vocal samples and / or guest vocalists on some material; other material is instrumental. Both groups' music is heavily beat-oriented, and both are very big names in their field. They both tend to remix a lot of other bands' stuff, too.

Daft Punk is a lot like the previous two groups, and they are a duo from France. Their stuff is even more danceable than TCM and Chem Bros. They tend to be more club-oriented, and their live sets are the stuff of legend. Awesome if you like pure electronica.

The Prodigy are a somewhat legendary trio from UK who started out making bona fide techno music back in the early 90's, but who then started getting edgier and edgier with their sound, up to the point where they released their breakthrough album "Fat of the Land" in 1997, which included the hard-hitting tracks "Breathe" and "Firestarter" (among others). Their most recent release is a very nice fusion of their older techno style from their original days and the hard-hitting stuff that really put them on the map about ten years ago. Their live shows are renowned for getting huge crowds of people very amped up, and not knowing whether to bounce up and down or slam dance - very high energy stuff. Lots of harsh vocals, sounds of glass breaking, etc. - very "metal" in terms of attitude, if not sound.

Crystal Castles and Sleigh Bells are both male / female electronic duos from North America - the former is from Toronto and the latter from Brooklyn. Both groups feauture the same girl-sings/screams-and-guy-programs-all-music-and-beats dynamic, but I would say CC is a bit more punk-oriented than Sleigh Bells, who are generally more about big, bad beats. Sleigh Bells incorporates some pretty nasty guitar work into their sound, as the guy is formerly from a metal band (Poison the Well), whereas CC sounds a bit more like a Nintendo game (which is utterly intentional on their part).

RATATAT is similar to CC and Sleigh Bells, only it's two dudes who use guitars, bass and synthesizers to make music that sounds experimental like Aphex Twin at first, but has way more of a beat than that. Their stuff moves. It's not entirely electronic, as the guitars factor in pretty significantly at times, but it's definitely not metal or even close to it (as would be, say, 65 considered to be an electronic / post-rock fusion band of sorts). Their new album is fantastic, and I can't stop listening to it.

Sound Tribe Sector 9 is an electronic jam band that consists of about five dudes, and their sound is hard to characterize. It's a little bit electronic, and a little bit rock. It's purely instrumental. It's very groove-oriented. They are really big on the festival circuit, partly because they are very politically-oriented (even though their music has no vocals or lyrics), and partly because their genre-blending style appeals to a range of audiences. I saw them at Lollapalooza last year, and they were great.

Yeasayer is a five-piece experimental / indie rock band based out of Brooklyn who utilize electronics pretty significantly in their music. Their beats and melodies are very contagious. They are very big on the indie festival scene right now, and they are friends with the guys in Fang Island (although their music is a little different). They are the most "indie rock" of the bands listed here, but I like them pretty well.

Fang Island is difficult to characterize, but their music is definitely guitar-oriented, as there are three guitar players and a bass player in the band, plus a drummer. They do utilize some keyboards and effects, too. They all sing (except the drummer), and this is definitely one of their big hooks. Sometimes the harmonies are three or four deep, and it gives their music a very rich and attractive sound. Their melodies are catchy as hell, and that's their other big hook. I saw them on tour with Red Sparowes and Caspian earlier this year (show review here), and they blew me away (Sparowes and Caspian were fucknawesome too, BTW ).
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Sounds like something from a VH1 special. Thanks for correcting me though, I really wasn't sure how it went down, only that it went down.
LOL. I'm fairly positive it was some kind of VH1 special b/c as I was reading that it started to turn a light on in my head and that's pretty much how I remember it goin down as well and I am not a fan of either as well.
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