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Old 05-17-2010, 11:28 PM
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It needs to be said again: Basically aside from like 3-5 shows I've ever been to: if you mosh at anything I'm at - you're an asshole - end of story.

Moshing to bands like Sonata Arctica and Hammerfall is so hilariously gay it shouldn't even be talked about, let alone actually done.
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Old 05-17-2010, 11:39 PM
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I have to admit, I want there to be pits at DragonForce shows. The energy they put on stage really gets carried on to the crowds. And yes, im going to sound like a noob right now but, their music is more than fast enough for a pit.

At Sonata, I was in the pit for 8th Commandment. It really was the only pit worthy song in their set. But, too the people who were pitting for all other Sonata songs, the Hammerfall show, and at the Maiden shows I have been too, please, just stay home next time
yeah 8th commandment is a pit worthy song. but that's the only Sonata song that's pit worthy. was that pit even good? they do have other fast songs but you still can't mosh to them.

and i agree dragonforce is fast enough for a pit. but i haven't seen them get a good pit in awhile. the first 2 times i saw them (sept 06 @ wiltern; oct 06 @ galaxy) the crowd was very active and a good pit lasted. the last time i saw dragonforce which was november 08 the pit was full of nerds doing air guitar the whole time.

now that i think about Stratovarius actually asked for a mosh pit when they played Pheonix.
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It needs to be said again: Basically aside from like 3-5 shows I've ever been to: if you mosh at anything I'm at - you're an asshole - end of story.

Moshing to bands like Sonata Arctica and Hammerfall is so hilariously gay it shouldn't even be talked about, let alone actually done.
That your at? I get that you go to a lot of power metal shows so I get that, but the way you typed that sentence, you sound very assholeish. (yes, I know, not a word)

And it is stupid to mosh at those shows. Except for 8th Commandment, I just couldn't resist. But yes, Moshing at power metal shows is pretty lame.
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yeah 8th commandment is a pit worthy song. but that's the only Sonata song that's pit worthy. was that pit even good?
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yeah when i saw them in '07 the pit to that song wasn't good but it still got started. watching people mosh at power metal shows is equivalent to watching bumper cars.
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yeah when i saw them in '07 the pit to that song wasn't good but it still got started. watching people mosh at power metal shows is equivalent to watching bumper cars.
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you sound very assholeish. (yes, I know, not a word)
It definitely is a word, and you used it correctly.

In other news...you know what I hate? Whining.

You want a brief history on mosh pits? Here we go. Moshing started with slam dancing, as has been observed. It was brought to the metal scene by thrash bands such as Exodus (whose song "Toxic Waltz" becomes utterly meaningless if the whiners ever get their way - which will never happen, BTW, so don't worry). Then, moshing started showing up in weird places like the Lollapalooza festivals in the mid-90's for grunge bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Even Beastie Boys and other unlikely bands started getting pits. Then, anyone who wanted to be cool started doing it. That's when things got fucked up, and that's when the whining really started.

Granted, mosh pits at power metal shows are stupid, for the most part. Mosh pits at nu-metal shows seem douchey, but they're understandable. Let the scene kids beat each other up - I don't care...I'm not there anyway. Mosh pits at death metal shows, grindcore shows, black metal shows, and even some stoner metal shows is absolutely appropriate (or at least typical), and should be expected. It should also be noted that festivals and big shows which include multiple genres will likely have pits if any of the bands on the bill are from the previously-mentioned group. That is why multi-genre shows can be a bad idea, and hence the amount of whining in the universe increases.

The rules for moshing have changed, too. The etiquette of moshing from when it started in the beginning was fine, but today there are fuckers out there who want to hurt people. This is because they are angry with their parents, or with the girl who dumped them (probably because they are violent assholes), or with the world in general, or whatever, so they take their anger out on people in the pit. If I see people like this at shows, I just ignore them, unless they do something to me or to another innocent person. Then I will get involved, because I'm lucky enough to be big enough to be able to take care of myself. This happens very rarely, but it has happened.

The bottom line is, as with anything else, there are people out there who like to do things that you don't like (the "you" in this sentence is generic...relax). If you go to a place where moshing might happen, don't get all pissy about it - just enjoy yourself as best you can and understand that the world doesn't revolve around you, and people don't owe you anything. Moshing happens, sometimes in inappropriate places, and sometimes in inappropriate ways (and sometimes both). Oh well. Get over it. You're at a metal show, after all. Just move somewhere else, or grow a pair and deal with it - or stand next to a big guy like me. I have shielded so many chicks and smaller dudes at shows from moshers, and they always thank me afterward and we laugh about it and move on with our lives. No big fucking deal.

I don't mosh very often anymore. The last time was at Meshuggah a few years ago, because...it's fucking Meshuggah. I don't smoke. I don't drink anymore. I don't smoke weed. However, people around me do all of these things constantly at shows, and I don't get all vagina-y about it (that's a word, because I fucking said so), and do you know why? It's because I'm there to enjoy the show, not to add items to my list of complaints against the management of the universe. Life is too short, and opportunities for fun are too precious to waste on worrying about what other people around me are doing.

If people outside my bubble enter into it and really violate my space, I have four choices: (1) move the bubble, (2) let it slide, (3) push back, or (4) complain (listed in order of effectiveness, from most to least). I usually choose the second, and sometimes the first (although I may not like it). Every once in a while, I choose option number three and simply push back - hard. Luckily for me, that usually works. If you don't have that option, then I humbly suggest you try choice one or two.

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Old 05-18-2010, 11:27 AM
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It definitely is a word, and you used it correctly.

In other news...you know what I hate? Whining.

You want a brief history on mosh pits? Here we go. Moshing started with slam dancing, as has been observed. It was brought to the metal scene by thrash bands such as Exodus (whose song "Toxic Waltz" becomes utterly meaningless if the whiners ever get their way - which will never happen, BTW, so don't worry). Then, moshing started showing up in weird places like the Lollapalooza festivals in the mid-90's for grunge bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Even Beastie Boys and other unlikely bands started getting pits. Then, anyone who wanted to be cool started doing it. That's when things got fucked up, and that's when the whining really started.

Granted, mosh pits at power metal shows are stupid, for the most part. Mosh pits at nu-metal shows seem douchey, but they're understandable. Let the scene kids beat each other up - I don't care...I'm not there anyway. Mosh pits at death metal shows, grindcore shows, black metal shows, and even some stoner metal shows is absolutely appropriate (or at least typical), and should be expected. It should also be noted that festivals and big shows which include multiple genres will likely have pits if any of the bands on the bill are from the previously-mentioned group. That is why multi-genre shows can be a bad idea, and hence the amount of whining in the universe increases.

The rules for moshing have changed, too. The etiquette of moshing from when it started in the beginning was fine, but today there are fuckers out there who want to hurt people. This is because they are angry with their parents, or with the girl who dumped them (probably because they are violent assholes), or with the world in general, or whatever, so they take their anger out on people in the pit. If I see people like this at shows, I just ignore them, unless they do something to me or to another innocent person. Then I will get involved, because I'm lucky enough to be big enough to be able to take care of myself. This happens very rarely, but it has happened.

The bottom line is, as with anything else, there are people out there who like to do things that you don't like (the "you" in this sentence is generic...relax). If you go to a place where moshing might happen, don't get all pissy about it - just enjoy yourself as best you can and understand that the world doesn't revolve around you, and people don't owe you anything. Moshing happens, sometimes in inappropriate places, and sometimes in inappropriate ways (and sometimes both). Oh well. Get over it. You're at a metal show, after all. Just move somewhere else, or grow a pair and deal with it - or stand next to a big guy like me. I have shielded so many chicks and smaller dudes at shows from moshers, and they always thank me afterward and we laugh about it and move on with our lives. No big fucking deal.

I don't mosh very often anymore. The last time was at Meshuggah a few years ago, because...it's fucking Meshuggah. I don't smoke. I don't drink anymore. I don't smoke weed. However, people around me do all of these things constantly at shows, and I don't get all vagina-y about it (that's a word, because I fucking said so), and do you know why? It's because I'm there to enjoy the show, not to add items to my list of complaints against the management of the universe. Life is too short, and opportunities for fun are too precious to waste on worrying about what other people around me are doing.

If people outside my bubble enter into it and really violate my space, I have four choices: (1) move the bubble, (2) let it slide, (3) push back, or (4) complain (listed in order of effectiveness, from most to least). I usually choose the second, and sometimes the first (although I may not like it). Every once in a while, I choose option number three and simply push back - hard. Luckily for me, that usually works. If you don't have that choice, then I humbly suggest you try choice one or two.


I'm always amazed at the amount of people on the internet who bitch about moshing at metal shows, if they don't like it they can leave. It's part of the environment of the show, and it's easy enough to avoid if you really can't handle being smashed into now and then.
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I'm always amazed at the amount of people on the internet who bitch...
I'm not. It seems that is the main purpose of the Internet. That, and porn.
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I don't mosh anymore, so I stay away from the pits. The only thing that bothers me is people intentionally trying to hurt others.

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