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Old 05-09-2010, 04:46 PM
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I disagree with that, but let's assume it to be true. Fine, you've defined what progressive rock isn't. That doesn't help.
I'll leave this to Maiden33. He probably cares more than I do.

I'm still sticking with what Muse does is no more than "varied".
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Old 05-09-2010, 04:54 PM
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I'll leave this to Maiden33. He probably cares more than I do.

I'm still sticking with what Muse does is no more than "varied".
I'm just going to be lame and take the wikipedia definition as truth.

"Progressive rock bands pushed "rock's technical and compositional boundaries" by going beyond the standard rock or popular verse-chorus-based song structures. The Oxford Companion to Music states that progressive rock bands "...explored extended musical structures which involved intricate instrumental patterns and textures and often esoteric subject matter."[3] Additionally, the arrangements often incorporated elements drawn from classical, jazz, and world music. Instrumentals were common, while songs with lyrics were sometimes conceptual, abstract, or based in fantasy. Progressive rock bands sometimes used "concept albums that made unified statements, usually telling an epic story or tackling a grand overarching theme." [2] Progressive rock developed from late 1960s psychedelic rock, as part of a wide-ranging tendency in rock music of this era to draw inspiration from ever more diverse influences. The term was initially applied to the music of bands such as King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer,[2] and reached its peak of popularity in the mid 1970s."

To fit in with the idea of intricate instrumental patterns and textures, I give you Butterflies and Hurricanes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hucz0qsXEUQ

To give esoteric subject matter, Thoughts of a Dying Atheist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsNr5mCeWYA

For epic storyline, Exogenesis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZD0yp-E0rw

Actually, the song Exogenesis could be seen as a microcosm of Muse - 13 minutes long, symphonic classical elements, time signature changes, long instrumental sections, lyrics about goodness knows what, the list goes on.

Point being, if I wanted to define Muse as prog rock, nothing can stop me from doing it. Which ultimately makes music genres somewhat pointless, which makes this debate pointless. Why I brought it up, I don't know, studying for finals is lame.
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:00 PM
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Point being, if I wanted to define Muse as prog rock, nothing can stop me from doing it.
The correct way to do this is "there's no law to say I can't..."

I will accept your examples, for sure. I'm not going to listen to them because I've sampled more than enough Muse to know I don't like them. However, a few examples of progressive songs doesn't make them a progressive band. The vast majority of their catalogue seems to me to be 3-5 minute pop songs. That's not to say it's not possible to be progressive even in a five minute song, but most of the time they aren't.

So they may very well be capable of, and willing to, make some progressive songs, but they are not a progressive band if they spend 90% of their time not making progressive songs.

I'd certainly like to see them make a properly progressive album. That would be kinda fun.
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I am not using the word progressive again after this post for at least a couple of days. I think I've used up my quota.
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The correct way to do this is "there's no law to say I can't..."
This is funny, and I wonder if anyone other than you and I really know why.
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:11 PM
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This is funny, and I wonder if anyone other than you and I really know why.
I'm just glad you picked up on it
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