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Old 02-23-2010, 11:25 AM
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the current wave of retro revival everyone seems to so keen on in music.
Maybe this is because it is good! Not to offend anyone (if they like them) but the growling vocals are just not as good as the retro type of metal! Growls have been done to death (no pun intended) JMO but I'm sticking to it
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I can't stand music elitists that think raw production = good thing. I agree that sometimes overly glossy production doesn't fit the music, but keep in mind, like most other Maiden fans, you love Martin Birch's production on classic Maiden records, which for that time was about the glossiest, most polished thing around. By today's standards it practically still sounds that way. Criticizing modern traditional metal bands for fancy, polished production doesn't make sense.

Also, I'm not aware of any of the other "bands getting blow jobs". To my knowledge none of them are really blowing up or anything.
80s style production fit 80s style music. It was great for the time period but it doesn't have the bells and whistles of today. Don't get me wrong, the bells and whistles are great for stuff like prog metal and melodic death metal, but for classic metal, meh.

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Because the production is the only thing that makes a band good, yep.
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80s style production fit 80s style music. It was great for the time period but it doesn't have the bells and whistles of today. Don't get me wrong, the bells and whistles are great for stuff like prog metal and melodic death metal, but for classic metal, meh.
But you ignore my point - Maiden albums don't really have "80s production". If you listen to almost ANY other band who released an album the same year Maiden released anything from Killers through Seventh Son, the Maiden production is infinitely superior and still stands up as great production against today's standards.

I just fail to see the point in purposely making production worse. To me, as a musician, I want to get the best instrument sounds and tons I can, and get the crispest, clearest, most dynamic production possible. I don't understand "retro" production. Hell, whenever I listen to music from the 70s, the primary thought often running through my mind is: "Wow, imagine how much better this would be if it was done today with better production".
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Don't care for this band, though I dug the lead singer's other band Overgain Optimal Death when they played the Hawkwind tribute show in LA here last spring, did ripper covers of "Death Trap" and "Hassan-i Sabbah".

Slough Feg, Valkyrie and Bible of the Devil. Seek it.
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But you ignore my point - Maiden albums don't really have "80s production". If you listen to almost ANY other band who released an album the same year Maiden released anything from Killers through Seventh Son, the Maiden production is infinitely superior and still stands up as great production against today's standards.

I just fail to see the point in purposely making production worse. To me, as a musician, I want to get the best instrument sounds and tons I can, and get the crispest, clearest, most dynamic production possible. I don't understand "retro" production. Hell, whenever I listen to music from the 70s, the primary thought often running through my mind is: "Wow, imagine how much better this would be if it was done today with better production".
It doesn't sound OVERproduced either, though. Not to say that White Wizzard are necessarily a prime offender, they certainly aren't.

And I think this is just a fundamental disagreement that no one's gonna win, and it ultimately comes down to taste. "Crispest" for me isn't necessarily "best".
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For the record I've heard Slough Feg, and I don't understand why you guys are drawing an automatic parallel. To me they are much more a revival of Thin lizzy/classic NWOBHM sound than a later 80s uptempo US-power metal sound, which is what White Wizzard are doing. And I do agree that for that more late 70s-derived style, a rawer production is more appropriate. My point is that it's two very different styles, don't lump them together just because "Oh they're both old school revival bands".
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:15 PM
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For the record I've heard Slough Feg, and I don't understand why you guys are drawing an automatic parallel. To me they are much more a revival of Thin lizzy/classic NWOBHM sound than a later 80s uptempo US-power metal sound, which is what White Wizzard are doing. And I do agree that for that more late 70s-derived style, a rawer production is more appropriate. My point is that it's two very different styles, don't lump them together just because "Oh they're both old school revival bands".
Good distinction is made here. Most of us don't feel the need to hear Jag Panzer and Agent Steel reinterpretations though (maybe White Wizzard are more of the Exciter/Accept vintage), those albums sound dated enough even the undeniably killer tapes like Ample Destruction and Unstoppable Force. Lots of early 70's/late 60's stuff sounds heavier today than those albums.
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For the record I've heard Slough Feg, and I don't understand why you guys are drawing an automatic parallel. To me they are much more a revival of Thin lizzy/classic NWOBHM sound than a later 80s uptempo US-power metal sound, which is what White Wizzard are doing. And I do agree that for that more late 70s-derived style, a rawer production is more appropriate. My point is that it's two very different styles, don't lump them together just because "Oh they're both old school revival bands".
I'm with you. My original point was that I wish more of the revival style bands DID play in the Slough Feg style, but I wasn't equating the two bands. There's really nothing wrong with White Wizzard, I just don't dig them all that much.
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Maiden33 have you heard Enforcer from Sweden? Also in the similar vein, but I think with better songs and more early Maiden influence.
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Maiden33 have you heard Enforcer from Sweden? Also in the similar vein, but I think with better songs and more early Maiden influence.
I have not. I've heard a lot about them though, never actually heard them though. Maybe I should go listen to something.
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