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Old 05-23-2013, 05:37 AM
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Alright, here's what I think, in bullet point form:
  • This isn't QR. It sounds like a band trying to sound like QR. Yes, it's better than GT (how hard is that to top?) but nothing I've heard is within throwing distance of the work QR did with DeGarmo.
  • "Where Dreams Go to Die" is a pretty terrible song title. When did the guys become teenage girls? QR used to be dramatic in a good way, with songs like "Eyes of a Stranger." Yes, they were always a little cheesy, but they were just smart enough, and played with just enough conviction to work. The new songs sound like Journey.
  • GT might write shitty lyrics now, but that's no excuse for QR to. If GT hadn't jumped the shark for QR, "Castles built will fall" would've done the job just fine now.
  • Drum production is terrible on all the songs I've heard so far. C'mon.
  • I don't think Todd's a great singer. He just screams a lot. How exciting. I should have my classically trained opera singer friend come here to critique Todd. It's pretty impressive. GT even in his prime had a lot of criticisms that could be leveled too, but Todd tops that. He seems like a great guy; he's the anti-GT personality wise. But there's more to singing than just yelling something in close to the right pitch.
  • There's a corner of the Internet that's hounded QR for using outside writers. The only difference between this QR and QR of recent years is that now they hired the outside writers so they're in the band. Also, as much as people like to shit on GT for not writing music, they miss the fact he really did write the majority of lyrics for the songs. And vocal melodies. Which despite what the armchair non-musicians will tell you, is in fact writing music. Anyways, songwriting is usually split 50/50 music and lyrics - and always was in QR. So I guess they (used to?) think lyrics were pretty important.

    The songwriting core of QR was CDG & GT, and without it, you have a band that is taking the elements of QR (double guitars, etc.) and putting them together, but it's just as fake as the last few albums. Sure, the quality of the music is better, but the underlying fact is that this is a new band. This shouldn't be another Queensryche self-titled EP. It should be a Rising West EP.

    Of course, most people are ignoring the fact that according to the court documents the three original guys left in the band basically sold-out on their legacy for 15 years, admitting they didn't like the music, didn't want to do it, etc. and for some reason only stirred to action when the money finally stopped coming in. I bet that took some integrity.

    So yeah, GT could be the world's biggest asshole, but that doesn't change the fact the other guys are just like anyone else prioritizing money. Now, don't get me wrong. I like them. Michael Wilton is a great guitarist. But I honestly think everybody in QR came out looking bad (except DeGarmo, of course) and while I would've loved GTQR's to blow me away (HA! Nope!) or the "real" QR to blow me away, it's not happening. And I'm not going to sugarcoat things for QR because I'm drunk on nostalgia and/or GT hate.

Oh, and next week Queensryche is literally playing a Harley Davidson dealership in my town. If this was GT, people would be making fun of him. But since it's QR? It's a "smart" move to tap into other markets.

I can't take it. QR should be musical, complex, and classy. GT failed them on that, yes. But they're failing themselves too.
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:51 AM
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I'll take point one. That's my entire view of the new QR. It sounds nothing like Queensryche and I have no idea what the people who say it does are hearing.
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:54 AM
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I'll take point one. That's my entire view of the new QR. It sounds nothing like Queensryche and I have no idea what the people who say it does are hearing.
Yeah, this really seems like a case where there's a large group of people who have been disappointed by QR for as long back as Promised Land, and a group that just doesn't like GT. I'm pretty sure they're just hearing whatever they want in this new stuff. Because I sure don't get it.
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WOW!! I can't believe more people aren't talking about this! I mean, it's the REAL Queensryche, and not the Geoff Taintertot version! People are talking about this less than Barack Hussein is talking about Benghazi! WOW! Support the troops!
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Wait, people actually gave a shit about Queensryche?
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Wait, people actually gave a shit about Queensryche?
Not really, only fonzbear does. He keeps baiting everyone into this thread with his regular updates and attention seeking whining about why more people aren't discussing them?

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Old 05-23-2013, 07:31 AM
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WOW!! I can't believe more people aren't talking about this! I mean, it's the REAL Queensryche, and not the Geoff Taintertot version! People are talking about this less than Barack Hussein is talking about Benghazi! WOW! Support the troops!
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:39 AM
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Not really, only fonzbear does. He keeps baiting everyone into this thread with his regular updates and attention seeking whining about why more people aren't discussing them?
There's a group out there actively encouraging folks to discuss QR on forums as a way of sort of underground promotion. I'm not sure that's working over here I don't think it'd even be necessary if the material that is out there - and there are now two studio tracks available for free listening - was truly captivating people. Obviously people know about it, since the legal/GT drama and all that keeps QR constantly on Blabbermouth and metal blogs and all that.

Also one more point to my bullet list: The new QR artwork, logo, and photos suck. The QR artwork looks like a low resolution PhotoShop job (which I guess fits their legacy of low-fi art like Empire.) It still looks bad. And the metal riveted Queensryche logo that's out there... could you be more contrived? And their photographer seems to have a fetish for Instagram like washed out colors and fish eye lenses. I mean, it just seems like a joke. On one hand, they (and certain fans) are trying to convince us that QR is reformed, it's this new slick, professional machine and all that. And on the other hand, you have what's coming out of that machine, which seems determined to convince otherwise. Here's an example of what I mean. Queensgram.

P.S. If all your new songs have to reference old ones, e.g. "agonizing pain spreading like a new disease" or "when we watch our idols fall a revolution calls" () then it seems like you're trying, really, really hard to convince us you're something (in this case Queensryche) when it should just be self-evident...
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:24 PM
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OK, I promise I'll stop bitching about people not commenting on the new songs. And of course, I respect all of your opinions as we all have different tastes. I'm still going to bump this thread as new stuff becomes available since I do feel this band deserves as much exposure as possible. Also, I'm surprised that most of the comments on Blabbermouth are as positive as they are.
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Yea, a band like Queensrysche has gotten such little exposure over the years, they definitely need your help.
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