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Old 04-26-2013, 12:04 PM
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I'll be at the DTE. And who goes to a Sabbath show for Ozzy anyways? Tony and Geezer...

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Old 04-26-2013, 12:20 PM
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When people first started saying this after Bill pulled out of the reunion, it was dumb.

It's still dumb.
Not really. Not only is Bill Ward not with them, for no reason at all...but Ozzy sucks now.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:24 PM
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Bill Ward quit. He wasn't fired, he quit.







People seem to forget that.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:32 PM
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:50 PM
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Bill Ward quit. He wasn't fired, he quit.







People seem to forget that.
Bill Ward quit because he wasn't getting fair treatment. When Ozzy is involved, Black Sabbath becomes the Ozzy Show. The Ozzy Show sucks because Ozzy fucking sucks. Come back with Tony Martin and I'll buy a ticket. And it's not dumb for people to say this isn't Sabbath... It's being billed as a Sabbath reunion but it's missing one integral part: Bill Ward. I saw Sabbath a few times when they had to change their name to Heaven and Hell because it wasn't the Ozzy Show and that was great. Ozzy's a shit singer, and always has been. Now that he's an old man and probably wears diapers he's not worth paying to see, whether he's playing with Tony Iommi or Zakk Wylde or a reanimated Randy Rhoads (actually, I'd see that). Whatever, I'm sure it'll still be an enjoyable show because Tony is still a great guitarist and Geezer is a great bassist and they'll be playing old classics, but I wouldn't pay for it.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:11 PM
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Anyone who has followed Black Sabbath knows that Bill Ward has been problematic since the band parted ways with Ozzy in the late 70's. He refused to be apart of the first reunion tour for the 97 Ozzfest due to money. He pulled out of the 99 Ozzfest reunion tour due to money which he had agreed to and he was okay with to the point the band advertised him being on the tour. At the last minute the band followed his demands for more money to salvage the tour and deliver the 'reunion' they had promoted. Same thing in 2011. He was part of the reunion again but opted out for more money. I don't blame the other guys in the band for moving forward. Ward was a legendary drummer and an integral part of the band but in the mid 00's when I saw him on Ozzfest a few times he couldn't play his own songs very well. Every drum had triggers on it. They even had Mike Bordin on stand by incase Ward couldn't play a gig. His wanting more money along with his declining skills and poor health made it an easy choice for Sabbath to move forward without him. He says he quit but the truth appears to be they both parted ways. I have always heard that he received as much money as the other 3. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen but him constantly acting like a money whore, stalling progress and constantly complaining about not 'receiving a fair amount' has been consistent.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:18 PM
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And it's not dumb for people to say this isn't Sabbath...
Yes, it is. In fact, it's been dumb to say it every time there's been a line-up that wasn't the original four, which people did every time.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:19 PM
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for no reason at all
I don't call constantly demanding more money and quitting over it no reason at all.

Be under no illusion, Bill created the entire mess himself. As WK said, this is the third successive time he's pulled the same shit.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:06 PM
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I don't call constantly demanding more money and quitting over it no reason at all.

Be under no illusion, Bill created the entire mess himself. As WK said, this is the third successive time he's pulled the same shit.

And that is the problem. It isn't the first time; in fact, he has a past history of the same type of behavior when it comes to participating in a Sabbath tour then backing out while demanding more money. At this point it would seem foolish to think it is the remaining members of Sabbath or their respective management who are responsible. Ward was a great drummer but his disposition on his perceived lack of monetary fairness is his own fault and is probably unfair in a biased manner which soley benefits him.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:25 PM
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The riff lord = Black Sabbath. That's honestly as much of an argument anyone should ever need.
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