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Old 08-09-2010, 11:11 AM
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:19 PM
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I don't feel like arguing beyond that though, because it's just not going to go anywhere good. Difference of opinion really.
Ok, if Leviathan and DEI aren't progressive metal in your opinion...
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:02 PM
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I'm pretty sure most of those filed under "progressive metal" are progressive power metal records. I hate to be a genre Nazi but putting out a list of essential prog metal records without including Leviathan, Destroy Erase Improve, or one of the last 3 Death records is... not right.
At least 10 of the albums on the prog list have not much in common with power metal at all, save for the lack of extreme vocals.

And while I love those albums (save for messhuggah who i just cannot get into) it is somewhat arguable that those albums are not progressive in themselves, but just have progressive elements. Even TSOP to me sounds like Death Metal... with heavy prog influences. But yeah I guess if Symphony X can get on the list, Death should too. (speaking of which Jeff, nice choice of SX album, DWOT is definitely the best imo).
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:06 PM
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I was going to do a huge multi-quote, but decided against it, so:

1. Imaginations is, by far, my favorite BG album.
2. Personal favorites and all that, but Mercenary looks sort of odd there? I know they played ProgPower a few times, but I've always associated them with melodeath like Scar Symmetry rather than prog/power metal.
3. Symphony X is awesome because you can use pretty much any of their albums post-Damnation Game and it would work.
4. Ark, Kamelot, and Masterplan... but no Conception?
5. Orphaned Land.

I tried listening to Grand Illusion to prep for ProgPower - some of the songs are awesome (Cuts Like a Knife and I'm Still Alive ftw), but the production is treble-heavy to the point of being painful for me to listen to. Is there an album before GI should I try instead?

Whining aside, this is really cool - there's a ton of bands there that I keep meaning to check out but never get around to, particularly Pagan's Mind and Redemption. Thanks!
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:35 PM
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Power Metal:
Angra - Angels Cry (1993), Rebirth (2001)
Avantasia - The Metal Opera I (2001), The Metal Opera II (2002)
Blind Guardian - Imaginations From the Other Side (1995)
Edguy - Hellfire Club (2004)
Gamma Ray - Land of the Free (1995)
Hammerfall -Legacy of Kings (1998)
Helloween - Keeper of the 7 Keys Part 1 (1987) and Part 2 (1988)
Hibria - Defying the Rules (2004)
Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes (1998)
Jag Panzer - Thane to the Throne (2000)
Kamelot - Epica (2003), The Black Halo (2005)
Labyrinth - Return to Heaven Denied (1998)
Masterplan - Masterplan (2003)
Nocturnal Rites - Grand Illusion (2005)
Primal Fear - Seven Seals (2005)
Riot - Thundersteel (1988)
Sonata Arctica - Ecliptica (1999)
Stratovarius - Visions (1997)
Tad Morose - Modus Vivendi (2003)
Twilightning - Delerium Veil (2003)
I like almost every album here, but oddly in the context of this list I only agree with about three.

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Progressive Metal:
Ark - Burn the Sun (2001)
Ayreon - The Human Equation (2004)
Circus Maximus - Isolate (2007)
Crimson Glory - Transcendence (1988)
Dominici - 03: A Trilogy Part 2 (2007), and Part 3 (2008)
Dream Theater - Images and Words (1992)
Evergrey - Recreation Day (2003)
Fates Warning - Parallels (1991)
Mercenary - The Hours That Remain (2006)
Pagan's Mind - Celestial Entrance (2002)
Queensryche - Operation : Mindcrime (1988)
Redemption - The Fullness of Time (2005)
Royal Hunt - Paradox (1997)
Savatage - Streets: A Rock Opera (1991)
Seventh Wonder - Mercy Falls (2008)
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny (1998)
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy (1997)
Threshold - Hypothetical (2001)
Vanden Plas - Christ 0 (2006)
This is almost perfect. And kudos for not only being the only American I know to even pick a Threshold album for a list such as this, but to pick the right one Even if it has my second favourite of their singers.

On the subject of Pain of Salvation, 'Remedy Lane' all day long. And I think Dead Soul Tribe deserve a mention. My list would also include Nation Beyond's 'The Aftermath Odyssey' and for certain, quite near the top, Arena's 'Immortal'.
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:28 PM
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I was going to do a huge multi-quote, but decided against it, so:

1. Imaginations is, by far, my favorite BG album.
2. Personal favorites and all that, but Mercenary looks sort of odd there? I know they played ProgPower a few times, but I've always associated them with melodeath like Scar Symmetry rather than prog/power metal.
3. Symphony X is awesome because you can use pretty much any of their albums post-Damnation Game and it would work.
4. Ark, Kamelot, and Masterplan... but no Conception?
5. Orphaned Land.

I tried listening to Grand Illusion to prep for ProgPower - some of the songs are awesome (Cuts Like a Knife and I'm Still Alive ftw), but the production is treble-heavy to the point of being painful for me to listen to. Is there an album before GI should I try instead?

Whining aside, this is really cool - there's a ton of bands there that I keep meaning to check out but never get around to, particularly Pagan's Mind and Redemption. Thanks!
-On the subject of Nocturnal Rites: Try "Shadowland".

-Fair point on Conception. I heavily considered "Parallel Minds", but wound up excluding it. Maybe I should've put it on.

-Overall I really agree with you on Mercenary, but I think on The Hours That Remain they definitely crossed over enough into Progressive Metal from Melodic Death Metal to be considered for the last. There is a song or two with no growls at all, and they are used much less overall.

And thanks to the folks who gave compliments! I realize it's not a perfect list, this was sort of a first draft.
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Old 08-10-2010, 04:45 PM
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Opeth: I would choose blackwater Park if it were me.

as to Amorphis. Elegy is their first album that strayed into the progressive, not just melotic death. However my personal favorites are the last 3 albums, Eclipse, Silent Waters, and Skyforger, but as to which of those 4 belong on that list? I'm not surereally. I think if someone wanted to get into Amorphis having never heard them before I might recommend Silent Waters Its the one I got into first. As to defining their part in the progressive Genre Probably Elegy, but I can't get into it as much as the last 3 records, the vocalist isn't as good IMO.

Nightwish... I would personally choose Wishmaster, but that's just me.
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Will use this list as a guide into power/prog metal.
Same here. I've been getting more into both genres recently.
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:51 PM
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Opeth: I would choose blackwater Park if it were me.
I would say either Blackwater Park or Still Life. But more people would probably say Blackwater Park.

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We are friends at the very least just because you chose the RIGHT Blind Guardian album. Yes....
It amazes me every time I listen to it, which isn't that often, to be fair. I love it though, but I have never heard Nightfall in Middle Earth, so it's not a tough decision to say pick that one!
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