Musical truths you've recently gleaned

[DethMaiden]

Originally Posted by mankvill

Whitechapel
Carnifex shirt

Almost.

I thought you'd like those shitty fucking Dying Fetus growls.

[bt11763]

Originally Posted by ChildrenofSodom

That second song was FUCKING stupid.

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i'd still hit it

[mankvill]

Originally Posted by DethMaiden

I thought you'd like those shitty fucking Dying Fetus growls.

Any chick who can cover Babykiller like that is #1 in my book

[youngandaspiring]

Oh, and one that will cause some interesting debate:

Growling is at most times a poor excuse for 'I can't really sing'.

Notice 'at most' - some bands can do it tastefully (Opeth, Therion, Underoath), but most are just lame sounding which takes away from the often excellent music.

[mankvill]

Originally Posted by youngandaspiring

some bands can do it tastefully (Opeth, Therion, Underoath)

whatthefuckamireading.tiff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-sFq-V_AK0

Tell me that isn't delicious.

[DethMaiden]

Originally Posted by youngandaspiring

Oh, and one that will cause some interesting debate:

Growling is at most times a poor excuse for 'I can't really sing'.

Notice 'at most' - some bands can do it tastefully (Opeth, Therion, Underoath), but most are just lame sounding which takes away from the often excellent music.

Alright, I've got to address this. That is a HUGE misconception as there is a very clear difference between good death/black vocals and bad ones. Please, I challenge you to make a death metal recording and send it to me and I'll pick apart why I wouldn't listen to you if you were in a death metal band. Even people who don't like extreme vocals can admit that there's talent behind them, and they're certainly an aesthetic choice and not an excuse for not being able to sing. The ones who do it poorly suck, no differently than someone who constantly sings out of key would suck in a power metal band.

[youngandaspiring]

Originally Posted by DethMaiden

Alright, I've got to address this. That is a HUGE misconception as there is a very clear difference between good death/black vocals and bad ones. Please, I challenge you to make a death metal recording and send it to me and I'll pick apart why I wouldn't listen to you if you were in a death metal band. Even people who don't like extreme vocals can admit that there's talent behind them, and they're certainly an aesthetic choice and not an excuse for not being able to sing. The ones who do it poorly suck, no differently than someone who constantly sings out of key would suck in a power metal band.

Firstly, as professional musicians (which I am not), there's a certain obligation towards sounding good. Clearly you wouldn't listen to a Death Metal album by me because I'm not a Metal musician. I'm merely critiquing professional musicians, who as musicians, should acknowledge constructive criticism.

I can admit that growling does take some measure of talent. Many of my favourite albums have harsh vocals that do a fine job of flowing with the music. However, don't try to tell me or anyone versed in music that growling takes anywhere near the amount of talent that a singer must strive for. Saying that a vocalist like Chuck Schuldiner is on par with someone like Daniel Gildenlow, Rob Halford etc. is a very bold statement that is wrong in my eyes.

Point is, it's much harder to be good singer than it is to be a good growler. If you like growling, then that's a musical opinion - but the musical truth is that Pavarotti > the guy from Amon Amarth at vocalizing. Could Pavarotti growl? Maybe. Could Quorthon sing Nessun Dorma? Unlikely.

And on that topic, the most talented Metal vocalist of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SclJmnRMLnQ

[mankvill]

It's on now motherfucker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThU

Eagerly awaiting Nat's opinion.

[youngandaspiring]

Originally Posted by mankvill

It's on now motherfucker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThU

Eagerly awaiting Nat's opinion.

I think the Death cover has phenomenal vocals, and it's one of the rare times that I enjoy 'extreme' vocals. As for the original... well it's Halford.

However, great vocal performances like the Death cover are rare in Death/Black Metal in general. I'm not saying there aren't any, but you'd be hard pressed to think of 10 off the top of your head.

[Maiden33]

Not surprisingly, I'm with Youngandaspiring on this one. I've believed more or less what he originally said for quite a long time. I know, I'm a close-minded asshole, I don't care.