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Old 04-10-2010, 08:38 AM
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Trans-Siberian Orchestra -- Wilkes Barre, PA -- April 9th, 2010

So, where to start...

First I should say that I had very, very high expectations for this show. This was essentially the one thing I had been waiting for as a fan of TSO - that one day they would take the shows back to the more intimate setting of theaters, where they started - and give the Beethoven's last Night album (my favorite of theirs) the proper staging it deserved. Now that being said, I had my huge reservations due to the fact that I think Paul O'Neill (the "boss" of TSO) has a habit of taking virtually every good thing and fucking it up - not to mention none of the album's original vocalists would be doing the tour - especially Jon Oliva and Zak Stevens. Nevertheless, I was prepared to have a good time.

We got to the FM Kirby Center around quarter of 7pm, and had surprisingly absolutely no issues with the Paperless Ticketing system, which seemed to work very smoothly. We waited in the lobby until about 7:20, when we made our way down to our seats which were 5th row, on the right side of the left-center section. I was pretty surprised at how great the seats actually were. Around 8pm Chris Caffery came out to present a check to the Red Cross, and about 10 minutes later, the show was under way.

The show began with a fairly "cold" start, not much in the way of intro music or ambiance - the lights dimmed, the opening notes of the "Overture" started up, and everyone walked out. The next 2 hours solid consisted of the entire Beethoven's last Night album. Now, rather than give a very lengthy track-by-track, I'll simply hit my highlights and criticisms:
First of all, every track with the mighty Rob Evan (Beethoven) was incredible. I've been a huge fan of his voice for a long time, and he is just amazing. Absolutely perfect pitch, and his delivery was excellent - with his Broadway experience giving him the perfect dramatic touch. Moreso than anyone else, you truly felt he WAS the character. And he pointed at me in "This is Who You Are" which was just great.
Other very strong points: Jay Pierce did a great job as "Twist", nearly perfectly matching the performance on the CD, which I was not expecting. John Brink (Young Beethoven) was probably the best surprise performance of the show, it's a damn shame this guy (kid, practically, he is no older than his early 20s) only got one song ("Vienna") because he really ruled. Perfect performance, perfect delivery. The audience loved him. Jeff Scott Soto did a fine job with the Jon Oliva tunes, and had a very devil-ish charm to him. The chorus of "Mephistopheles" was amazingly epic. Also, props to him for really matching Jon note-for-note (and laugh-for-laugh) on "Misery".
Instrumentally I really can't fault the show at all except for a few very specific points. First, I've always been bothered by how they castrate some of the material by dramatically slowing it down. The songs are fine the way they are, they don't need to lose 15bpms. It's not annoying at all on some songs but on others it's a massive annoyance. Also, "Misery" tended to sound somewhat... watered down. The devilish aggression of the song was somewhat lost to more of a "Creeping", laid back feel. Aside from that, no complaints about the band, everyone played really well. Instrumental highlights were Mozart and Madness, A last Illusion, Beethoven, and the instrumental section of "The Dark", during which I truly felt as though I was witnessing a late 90's Savatage performance. Al Pitrelli absolutely ruled that solo.
Now, onto some of my more legit complaints. First of all, the stupid whorey dancing needs to die. All of it. Now, I am a straight male, I don't fundamentally hate women dancing - but I do when it completely obstructs the mood and feeling of the story, and seems completely forced just to "sex" up the show. When the girls decided to come out in the second half f "After the Fall", I had a complete facepalm moment, it just killed the vibe. Other than that it was basically completely confined to instrumentals, mostly the ones in the "encore". I am not too hot on the decision to make "The Dark" sung by a girl in stead of Zak Stevens, but I understand the decision to want to represent "Muses" with a girl instead of a guy - and it was a solid performance by Valentina Porter, though outshined by her performance on "A Final Dream". The role of Theresa was taken on by TSO newcomer Chloe lowery, who was a bit of a mixed bag. Overall all her performances were solid, but they weren't stunning, and her dress was cut a bit too provocatively, making it somewhat hard to concentrate on the "right" things. "Dreams of Candlelight" was her weak point, but the other two were quite good. I'm not convinced they couldn't have found someone better, but it wasn't a bad decision.
Finally, we have "Believe". I have been fundamentally against the decision for TSO to play and rerecorded this song, and that hasn't changed. I particularly have voiced my disapproval of vocalist Tim Hockenberry's very processed, psuedo-dramatic vocals, and that too hasn't changed. However, the song still retained quite a bit of its power in the live element. It didn't bring me to tears as it did when Jon Oliva (and his "Pain") performed it, but it was still very much "alive", especially when seeing Caffery and Pitrelli play the duel solo together. I sang every word, Oliva-isms included, and it still managed to be a great aspect of the show on the whole, even with my negative points about it.

So, that about does it for the show. Oh yes, Jeff Plate threw me a drumstick, which was super cool of him. We waited in the signing line after the show, actually specifically til the very end, so we wouldn't be rushed through it so much. The performers were a mixed bag, but most of the ones I was specifically looking to meet were very cool. Most of. Unfortunately one of the most highly anticipated, Al Pitrelli, was a dick. And not very subtle about it either. He signed my 3 booklets I brought for him, but I didn't even dare ask for a picture, because he was just so incredibly cold and downright rude. I was pretty put off by it, and it was probably the rudest I've ever been treated by a member of a band I was looking forward to meeting. Thankfully everyone else made up for it. This was the first time I had seen Caffery since playing two shows with him last September, and he was really nice and really cool, seemed happy to see me again. Johnny lee Middleton was super-cool, and apparently already knew who I was thanks to Facebook, as did Rob Evan, who was probably the coolest of the whole bunch. He was very inquisitive about whether or not the show lived up to my expectations and what I specifically thought of his performance. Probably one of the coolest and nicest people I've ever met.

After loitering in the lobby for a while, we hit the road around midnight, and got home around 1:30. All in all, a very very good show. Was it amazing? No. Was it great? Yes. Would I go again? Definitely.


Set list:
01.Overture
02.Midnight
03.Fate
04.What Good This Deafness?
05.Mephistopheles
06.What is Eternal
07.Mozart and Madness (Savatage)
08.The Moment
09.Vienna
10.Mozart
11.The Dreams of Candlelight
12.Requiem (The Fifth)
13.I'll Keep Your Secrets
14.The Dark
15.Fur Elise
16.After the Fall
17.A last Illusion
18.This Is Who You Are
19.Beethoven
20.Mephistopheles' Return
21.Misery
22.Who is this Child?
23.A Final Dream
Encore:
24.Toccata - Carpimus Noctem
25.Believe (Savatage)
26.Prelude to Madness / The Mountain
27.Finale
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:47 AM
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We got to the FM Kirby Center around quarter of 7pm, and had surprisingly absolutely no issues with the Paperless Ticketing system, which seemed to work very smoothly.
So what does the little print out they gave you once you scanned your card look like? Any resemblance to a real ticket at all?
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So what does the little print out they gave you once you scanned your card look like? Any resemblance to a real ticket at all?
Yes, it's a small paper slip that is a little smaller than a typical ticket "stub", with the name of the show and your seats on it. If you want a ticket for sentimental value, it will still give you something.
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Great Review. For years, I was really looking forward to this tour happening, although I had always envisioned it with the lineup on the record, so needless to say, I was very disappointed that was not going to be the case. Beethoven's Last Night is a masterpiece. I truly love that album. That being said, I'm not really a fan of TSO in general. As long as their is a TSO, there will never be a Savatage again. It frustrates and angers me to no end that my favorite band essentially died twice. First with Criss Oliva, then with TSO. Not to mention I don't really approve of them using images of his guitar in a snowglobe, covering Believe, etc. I have been front row, watching Jon with tears in his eyes, belting out so much emotion during this song, I have laughed and cried with Jon over his brothers memory, I have been to Criss Oliva's grave, and no one should be singing this song other than Jon Oliva, end of story. In a way one could say that it's cool that Criss is being represented and remembered, but seriously, how many people in a typical TSO crowd (besides a handful of Savatage fans) even cares/knows who Criss Oliva is? I highly doubt the soccer mom in the 3rd row is running out to buy Gutter Ballet or Hall of the Mountain King. Now on the positive, I am happy that TSO is a great source of income for Jon and the other Savatage members. Hell, after all they have been through, they deserve it! Sorry for my TSO rant, back to topic at hand, glad you enjoyed the show. Had I gone, and if I wasn't so jaded, I'm sure I would have enjoyed it too!
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Old 04-10-2010, 03:30 PM
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I never doubted THAT aspect of the policy. That had nothing to do with why I don't like it.
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I never doubted THAT aspect of the policy. That had nothing to do with why I don't like it.

That's why I hated it. Love my stubs collection, good to hear I'll still be getting ones from my Maiden shows.
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First of all, the stupid whorey dancing needs to die. All of it. Now, I am a straight male, I don't fundamentally hate women dancing - but I do when it completely obstructs the mood and feeling of the story, and seems completely forced just to "sex" up the show.
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Finally, we have "Believe". I have been fundamentally against the decision for TSO to play and rerecorded this song, and that hasn't changed.
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07.Mozart and Madness (Savatage)
Finally. Killer song.

I'm torn about Believe. I love the song and actually think Tim does a great job with it vocally, and it says something about how great the song is that many people I know consider it the highlight of the TSO winter show since they started doing it. That being said, to me that song is so tied to Criss its really hard to hear that song without either Jon singing it or Criss playing it. Then again I'm just glad I got to hear it played live. I never saw it played live when Jon was doing it with his band or when Savatage played it. So I guess for purely selfish reasons I'm ok with it. But I'm certainly conflicted.

What I like less is that they redid and are playing "The Mountain" if anything to me that is more tied to Criss because of his amazing guitarwork in that song, and its so counter to the audience of TSO anyways, it just doesn't fit. Yes its tied to a composer but its much heavier and feature's much more of a metal vibe than any of their other stuff. If they had wanted to do another Savatage song they should have done Memory which is also off Dead Winter Dead. Its short but its much more in the wheelhouse of current TSO stuff.
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