too many bullshit sub-genres

[TonyD]

Originally Posted by ChildrenofSodom

Does that really happen all that often? I'm not sure musicians put as much weight into genres as listeners do.

It does, even if it's not a spoken thing, and it homogenizes the music.

[mastodon421]

Originally Posted by ChildrenofSodom

I don't think the subgenres hurt anything or anyone, and bitching about it is just an exhibition of metal purism for purism's sake. (I'm drunk.) We have all been in the situation where some stranger finds out that you listen to metal, and (no offense to the noobs here) they ask "Oh, you like metal huh? Like Slipknot and Korn?" By subdividing the diverse field of metal, it is easier to a) find bands you may like, b) clarify a band's sound to other metalheads, and c) differentiate ourselves from the other bullshit that flies under the 'metal' flag.

I personally divide my ipod along mostly bullshit lines, mostly grouping bands that sound similar to me. All That Remains, In Flames, and Amon Amarth are all in the genre "Melodic Death Metal." Do they sound very similar? Not really, but they are close enough in my opinion, and it helps me organize my music.

Bands that invent their own genres (pirate metal, for example) are obnoxious, but most sub genres are not a problem in my opinion and bitching about it isn't really a worth while investment of my time. Not when people think all death metal=screamo.

This is very well-put and I agree. I really don't see the problem with most subgenres. They keep things organized and if you have never listened to band before it lets you know what your in for.

[Wizzbang11]

Originally Posted by mankvill

I know, but it's stupid.

SHUT UP JACKSON MIDNIGHT IS AMAZING

[ChildrenofSodom]

Originally Posted by TonyD

It does, even if it's not a spoken thing, and it homogenizes the music.

That really isn't a good argument. Any examples? I seriously doubt that giving a name to certain sound is what is ruining music/metal. Online downloads, declining record sales, shitty influences, mass production of music...those may be reasons for a 'decline' and homogenization of metal, but I personally don't see it, nor do I think subgenres are the culprit.

[SomewhereInTime72]

I personally think metal is only as dead as it ever was. The most popular sub-genres of metal have always been mostly shit. (hair metal -> nu metal -> metalcore -> whatever you wanna call the genre coming next) The underground metal scene is perhaps less successful than it once was, but makes up for it by being more varied (i mean look at all these different subgenres).

[larvtard]

so where does groove fit into these "general categories?"

[mankvill]

groove metal fucking sucks and is such a dumb name for a genre, but it has elements of thrash, metalcore, and heavy metal.

[ravenheart]

Originally Posted by mankvill

groove metal fucking sucks

Wrong.

Not that I think it's a genre unto itself anyway. All good metal has groove. The best trash, the best doom, the best traditional and so on. It all grooves. And therefore, by definition, all metal without groove sucks.

[mankvill]

Originally Posted by ravenheart

Wrong.

Not that I think it's a genre unto itself anyway. All good metal has groove. The best trash, the best doom, the best traditional and so on. It all grooves. And therefore, by definition, all metal without groove sucks.

god damnit ravenheart, i'm not even gonna bother

[mastodon421]

Originally Posted by mankvill

groove metal fucking sucks and is such a dumb name for a genre, but it has elements of thrash, metalcore, and heavy metal.

Even though I like groove metal it is a stupid genre name.