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Old 06-16-2007, 09:33 PM
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One doesn't have to be Christian or particular religious to appreciate the hate and negativity inherent in blackened genres can be extremely harmful to an individual's mental health, certain spiritually corrosive, especially to those lacking an otherwise stable anchor in life.
I really, REALLY disagree with this.

PS- Any argument you can think of for Satanism being "unhealthy," I can say the same thing about Christianity or any other "mainstream" religion.
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Old 06-16-2007, 09:34 PM
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i remember reading all the lyrics for Demigod and i didnt see anything that bad.
I'm not trying to be insulting. Do you really understand what you're reading in those lyrics?

Behemoth has a body of work outside Demigod. Check it out.
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I really, REALLY disagree with this.

PS- Any argument you can think of for Satanism being "unhealthy," I can say the same thing about Christianity or any other "mainstream" religion.
I've met enough wayward kids at metal concerts that have little else in their life besides metal to suggest otherwise. When life ceases to have meaning, really bad things tend to happen.

Satanism legitimizes hate as a basic value. Christianity does not, nor do most mainstream religions. Love your neighbor as yourself. What is hateful to you, don't do to your neighbor. Different expressions of the same values. Spare me diatribes on the abuse of religion. God is but one of many excuses humanity uses for its inhumanity.
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Satanism legitimizes hate as a basic value.
I think you need to look a little deeper into what Satanism is really about.
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I think you need to look a little deeper into what Satanism is really about.
Not all bands sing about what Satanism is really about.


Case in point: Slayer.
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Not all bands sing about what Satanism is really about.


Case in point: Slayer.
Yeah, but that's not my point.
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I think you need to look a little deeper into what Satanism is really about.
What Ed is trying to stress is maybe the fact that these kids don't have any clue about what "actual" Satanism is about, as many people who really believe in it from a spiritual sense are what we'd consider pretty normal people I guess (take King Diamond for instance). Faith is not unhealthy if you really feel a connection to it, which is the purpose. Lots of people just are drawn to the dark or occult imagery and things because as Ed said they don't have anything goin for them in their lives and its against mainstream society in a lot of ways. Even the most popular metalcore bands we all point to and they're supposedly "trendy" fans really aren't a part of mainstream culture to a huge extent; they still see themselves on the outside. Real Satanism, like real Christianity, or real Islam, or whatever faith practice, takes some self-affirmation and is much more than just a crutch or an image to hide under.
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I think you need to look a little deeper into what Satanism is really about.
Can we agree that satansim involves a certain degree of misanthropy?
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What Ed is trying to stress is maybe the fact that these kids don't have any clue about what "actual" Satanism is about, as many people who really believe in it from a spiritual sense are what we'd consider pretty normal people I guess (take King Diamond for instance). Faith is not unhealthy if you really feel a connection to it, which is the purpose. Lots of people just are drawn to the dark or occult imagery and things because as Ed said they don't have anything goin for them in their lives and its against mainstream society in a lot of ways. Even the most popular metalcore bands we all point to and they're supposedly "trendy" fans really aren't a part of mainstream culture to a huge extent; they still see themselves on the outside. Real Satanism, like real Christianity, or real Islam, or whatever faith practice, takes some self-affirmation and is much more than just a crutch or an image to hide under.
I agree to a point, but Ed flat out said that Satanism as a religion legitamizes hate, and that's what I took issue with.
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Satanism legitimizes hate as a basic value.
I'm pretty sure Satanism values the self above all else, there is no worship of any horned deity with a pitchfork in a fiery abyss or anything, and nor is there the bearded dude in the sky. Actually this is a good quote that I think is fitting here, its on the back of my Behemoth t-shirt: "I have not met a man who is not God himself already." I think that's the basic core principle.
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