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Old 03-22-2007, 07:16 PM
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I'm so sick of people bitching that their favorite band is opening for someone more popular/successful. Reality check: Metallica's gonna bring in more fans and money. I know you all like to think that $$$ doesn't rule the metal world, but guess what? It does.
The point that I was trying to make. I'm somewhat surprised the same thing didn't happen with Megadeth.
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Old 03-22-2007, 07:24 PM
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Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm tired of all this Heaven and Hell talk lately.
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Old 03-22-2007, 07:27 PM
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Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm tired of all this Heaven and Hell talk lately.
That's your problem. I'm tired of certain bands but I don't waste time or energy complaining.
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That's your problem. I'm tired of certain bands but I don't waste time or energy complaining.
Yeah. But I have noticed that trend lately.
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Yeah. But I have noticed that trend lately.
What trend? Heaven & Hell?
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What trend? Heaven & Hell?
No, people bitching about the opening band thing.
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Old 03-22-2007, 07:40 PM
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No, people bitching about the opening band thing.


Oh.

What other "favourite bands" have you noticed opening for more successful bands?
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There is no common sense that you are comparing a one single element with part of another entity. Let's say Black Sabbath and Metallica are two independent entities but what you are doing is partitioning Black Sabbath into different entities, what is not clear is what criteria are you using, replacement of singer? replacement of any individual that belonged to the band? If you do that to Sabbath, you should do that to Metallica as well.

It is just a matter of plain statistics.
Considering that the band is called Heaven and Hell, and not Black Sabbath, it seems the act of "partitioning...into different entities" is pretty much a given. Metallica is still Metallica after all, and their most identifying features -- lead vocalist, main songwriters, 3/4 band members -- haven't changed. I don't think it's completely arbitrary to assert that Sabbath without Ozzy or Bill Ward is just a wee bit more "changed" than Metallica without Cliff Burton.
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No, people bitching about the opening band thing.
here's my bitch about the opening band: Bullet for my Valentine.... they're god awful, how are they getting on so many high profile tours?
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Considering that the band is called Heaven and Hell, and not Black Sabbath, it seems the act of "partitioning...into different entities" is pretty much a given. Metallica is still Metallica after all, and their most identifying features -- lead vocalist, main songwriters, 3/4 band members -- haven't changed. I don't think it's completely arbitrary to assert that Sabbath without Ozzy or Bill Ward is just a wee bit more "changed" than Metallica without Cliff Burton.
The main difference I see is that the name of Heaven and Hell is just epiphenomena from a specific set of historical conditions (i.e Sharon being a c**t). It s fair to state that the name may grant the partioning but also it is fair to say that it is necessary to analyze if the name Heaven and Hell is a necessary representation of Black Sabbath or not, i.e is this Black Sabbath or not? Of course getting into deeper detail than just the name.
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