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Old 03-10-2007, 03:07 PM
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sigh....I refuse to read the creationist-antievolution pages...I read the ones that are well-educated and scientific.......And a gallup poll of a number of scientists say that they avoid questioning or re-examining the theory of macroevolution, for fear of being exiled by the scientific community......

You cant observe macroevolution today like you can adaptation (industrial melanism)....therefore it isnt proven science. Supportable, but not proven.

Just ask people which is more believable, that some sort of God created us, or that rocks somehow turned into people.


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When my college biology professor started teaching the "fact" that simple protiens were created in a lab experiment simulating the conditions on early earth, and I pointed out that early earth had oxygen (which wasnt included in said lab experiment) and those protiens would have oxidized into nothing, she got pretty pissed off.

that being said, most of evolution is bullshit science based on skeptisism. its pretty much a religion within itself.
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:35 PM
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Just ask people which is more believable, that some sort of God created us, or that rocks somehow turned into people.
...Who said anything about rocks?
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...Who said anything about rocks?

evolutionists believe life originated from rain falling on rocks
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Old 03-11-2007, 04:19 PM
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Just ask people which is more believable, that some sort of God created us, or that rocks somehow turned into people.
Since you phrase it that way -- one type of arbitrary magic versus another -- I guess it's fifty-fifty. Why is a magic ghost in the sky more plausible than wet rocks suddenly getting up and doing the mambo?

Not to mention that God supposedly made Adam out of clay -- so either way, we're all just wet rocks that something happened to.

But since there's a pretty detailed fossil record that shows (for example) that there were homo habilis before there were homo erectus, but not after; and that there were homo erectus before there were homo sapiens, but not after; and since there's a definite line of descent among species that can be and has been traced through comparative analysis of DNA -- which shows (for instance) that we are much more closely related biologically to chimpanzees than we are to dolphins or elephants, even though dolphins and elephants are also highly intelligent -- then it's pretty silly to say evolution is self-evidently absurd. And since the evidence for the other side is what some book says that some dudes wrote 3 or 4 thousand years ago -- long after all those fossils were in the earth, but long before anyone knew where to find them or what they meant -- then I think you may be experiencing some confusion about the distinction between science and religion.

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that being said, most of evolution is bullshit science based on skeptisism. its pretty much a religion within itself.
See above. If you think evolution is bullshit science and/or "pretty much a religion," then you simply don't understand what science is or how it differs from religion.
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sigh....I refuse to read the creationist-antievolution pages...I read the ones that are well-educated and scientific.......And a gallup poll of a number of scientists say that they avoid questioning or re-examining the theory of macroevolution, for fear of being exiled by the scientific community......

You cant observe macroevolution today like you can adaptation (industrial melanism)....therefore it isnt proven science. Supportable, but not proven.
Okay. Prove gravity. Prove that it really isn't just god shoving us back against the ground every time we jump.

Scientific knowledge comes from drawing the best possible conclusions from the best possible evidence. A lot of what we know isn't "proven" in a laboratory, and doesn't have to be. It's a matter of looking at what facts there be, and determining what explanation accounts for all of them. No alternative explanation accounts for all the facts nearly as well as evolution does, and many accepted theories in other parts of science don't account for all the facts as well as evolution does for the observable facts of biology.
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