There seem to be a lot of people who don't "get" Immolation. Their draw is more mid paced stuff concentrating on interesting drum patterns utilizing the toms more frequently than blast beats. They're not trying to blow you away with speed, but instead build up an evil atmosphere. Also, over the course their career they've never released a mediocre album or strayed from their roots. So basically what I'm getting at is, just because you don't like them doesn't make them shitty. Also JD, considering your tastes vary a lot, I'm surprised that you're the one ripping on them.