it's just embarrassing to see what their peers are doing live, and they can't be bothered to be on stage for the better part of an hour sometimes, and then alot of that time gets eaten up with pointless interlude noise so their dumb Phish-like fans can trip out. It sucks being such a big Tool fan, but also a big Metallica, Radiohead & NIN fan, where those bands regularly push past 2 hours. you cant even compare the live aspect, it's not close. give the people's their money's worth. You have an extensive catalogue, and don't tour alot. let us hear the songs, fuck setting a mood.