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Old 03-20-2009, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Maiden33 View Post

That's about all I have to say, but I, I'll go on. If Wilton is "shredding" on this album, that word has clearly been redefined. My first thought when I listened to this is that Geoff Tate just can't sing anymore, he just sounds bad. I respect the fact that he's not trying to sound like he used to, but I just think he sounds weak and whiny most of the time now. This album actually has rapping on it. I had to hold back my vomit at the awful rap/metal-esque garbage on the opening track.
Queensryche attracts the most fanboys of any band I've ever seen. There are many other bands who can evolve and keep a fanbase. Queensryche basically just has a split between those who like the stuff through Promised Land, and those that defend everything they do from a point of 'artist integrity". Not every bad move a band makes was a stroke of artistic individualism, sometimes they just make bad decisions. Not every Queensryche album since Promised Land is void of merit, but this album is no different than most of them to me. I think the band is trying to hide behind a concept that is weak at best. "OMG WAR IS BAD AND IT SUCKS TO BE A SOLDIER!". Yeah, it does, you don't need to write an album about it. Basically this just comes off as crappy, and totally unmemorable. I listened to the whole album once. I can't remember anything I liked about it, hence why I'm saying it sucks, end of story.
That's not rapping. It's a cadence from an actual drill sergeant.

I like how weasly your comments are too. You define something as "rap metal-esque" and suffix "garbage" on to it. If you feel everything rap metal-esque is garbage, than your biases make you no worse than a fanboy because you're judging a label (the fanboys are judging the brand) and not the actual content. What makes it what you call it?

> "Sliver" has a traditional song structure. Verses/choruses/bridges/solo, etc.
> It has your typical hard rock style drumming, with an active bass line.
> It has singing.
> It has electric guitar (hmm, so far it smells like it has a lot of the components of regular ol' rock)
> If you still want to disagree about what I said about the drill sergant, I can assure you it's not rap on the simple ground that... There's not enough there for rap. Don't you usually have at least three consecutive lines of words in rap? Because the sergeant never has more than two ("Welcome to the show"/"Gonna tell you what's up".) - And in military training they refer to battle as "the show" - and this dude is a drill instructor.

So what you're really telling me is that the presence of an actual drill instructor on a song about bootcamp singing two lines is enough for you to pigeon hole the song in an entire sub-genre of two other genres that you happen to consider garbage, yet you still have the audacity to subtly hint that anyone that disagrees with you is probably just defending shitty music under the guise of artistic integrity because they're a non-objective fan boy. If there's not something vaguely hypocritical about all that, then I really don't know what to say.

And if that message about soldiers is what you took away from the album then I don't think you were actually paying that much attention to it.

I don't understand your point about fanboys - still. It's seems obvious that as simply a matter of scale, there are bands with far larger groups of fanboys then Queensryche, because there are bands with far larger audiences. Iron Maiden is the obvious example that comes to mind.

I'm not defending bad songs under the cover of artistic integrity, but you came in here not willing to back up your opinions until you were called on it, and in the interim I merely suggested (and said it might not be the case) that perhaps you were one of the admittedly many people out there that do write off present day QR based on their shift in artistic direction.
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