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ADD
02-27-2009, 02:45 PM
Or who similarly had their start/heyday in the 80's that went on to put out superior work in the 90's or 00's? Can't of any for either category, except maybe Motorhead but that's debatable for obvious reasons. Thin Lizzy? No. Judas Priest? Hell no. ZZ Top? Naw. Scorpions? Nein. Deep Purple? No way. Moving on down the line, Megadeth? Anthrax? Overkill? Iron Maiden? Metallica? Winger?

JRA
02-27-2009, 03:39 PM
I like Death's 90's stuff better than the 80's stuff.

SomewhereInTime72
02-27-2009, 05:16 PM
I personally don't think so, but a lot of fans of the last two Amorphis albums would say that 2000's Amorphis triumphs over their 90's work. Also if you love high-quality pop, and aren't a prog man, you would probably consider Genesis' 80's material to be many notches above their 70's material.

I disagree with both the examples I made, but they were they only possible arguments I could even think of. :hmm:

edit: I do agree with Josh, but I don't know if Death are the best example since only two of their albums were from the 80's... :hmm:, but I guess it's the best we can do. :dorky:

ravenheart
02-27-2009, 05:43 PM
Saying no to Priest is dodgy, given that Screaming For Vengeance and British Steel are '80s records. Motorhead's '70s albums blow, so I'd say they were better in the '80s. I'd add Queen to the list too.

As for '90s better than '80s:

Alice Cooper, KISS, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Overkill, Testament, Rage, Motorhead again.

JRA
02-27-2009, 06:10 PM
I think the question here is how many albums in the second decade are required to effectively triumph over the previous decade? Cos a bunch of people say that Rust In Peace is better than the stuff from the 80's. But when you combine that with Countdown to Extinction, which isn't an excellent record but its still very good.

Div
02-27-2009, 06:24 PM
no way was overkill better in the 90s than 80s. their four/five 80s albums are epic

DethMaiden
02-27-2009, 08:33 PM
2000s Opeth > 1990s Opeth

ChildrenofSodom
02-27-2009, 08:41 PM
[Throwback to an old joke from when I first joined here]

I wouldn't know, I dont listen to bands older than 10 years old.

JRA
02-27-2009, 09:17 PM
no way was overkill better in the 90s than 80s. their four/five 80s albums are epic

Fifth Overkill album Horrorscope = 91.

SirLardsAlot
02-27-2009, 09:48 PM
90s Weird Al > 80s Weird Al.

Div
02-27-2009, 09:57 PM
Fifth Overkill album Horrorscope = 91.

well power in black has some songs that never made it to studio albums to i sorta counted that as one of the 5.

plus, "fuck you and then some" :D

powerslave_85
02-27-2009, 10:02 PM
90s Weird Al > 80s Weird Al.
Truth.

Maiden33
02-27-2009, 11:01 PM
Saxon's albums since Unleash the Beast (1997) have been more consistently good than any of their previous work. I honestly think Lionheart (2004) is the best thing they've ever put out.

Maiden33
02-27-2009, 11:04 PM
As for '90s better than '80s:
Bon Jovi

Totally agree here, I have to say. I honestly don't like the first several Bon Jovi albums much at all, but I think that Keep the Faith and These Days are great albums.

SomewhereInTime72
02-28-2009, 10:24 AM
You guys must be shitting me with Bon Jovi. Slippery When Wet has got to be their greatest album by far, and the only other one that comes close is New Jersey.

After that the material became consistently shitty and they even sold out from being 80's pop rock to 90's pop rock.

ravenheart
02-28-2009, 10:30 AM
I think the question here is how many albums in the second decade are required to effectively triumph over the previous decade? Cos a bunch of people say that Rust In Peace is better than the stuff from the 80's. But when you combine that with Countdown to Extinction, which isn't an excellent record but its still very good.

I was thinking about this. Some bands released excellent albums in the second decade, but over all only released, say 2 or 3, whereas in the first they released 6 or 7. Makes it a bit of an unfair comparison.

ravenheart
02-28-2009, 10:31 AM
You guys must be shitting me with Bon Jovi. Slippery When Wet has got to be their greatest album by far, and the only other one that comes close is New Jersey.

After that the material became consistently shitty and they even sold out from being 80's pop rock to 90's pop rock.

I like the '80s albums, but I totally think 'These Days' and 'Keep The Faith' are stronger. The thing is, those are the only two albums they released in the '90s, versus four in the '80s, so is it a fair comparison?

ravenheart
02-28-2009, 10:31 AM
Saxon's albums since Unleash the Beast (1997) have been more consistently good than any of their previous work. I honestly think Lionheart (2004) is the best thing they've ever put out.

Agree 100%.

SomewhereInTime72
02-28-2009, 07:20 PM
I like the '80s albums, but I totally think 'These Days' and 'Keep The Faith' are stronger. The thing is, those are the only two albums they released in the '90s, versus four in the '80s, so is it a fair comparison?

I think the first two 80's albums are rather worthless and worse than the 90's albums, but I'd still say the 80's win because the 2 best albums from the 80's are better than the two albums from the 90's to me. It is a tough comparison to make, though, I guess.

Maiden33
02-28-2009, 07:35 PM
Agree 100%.

:fist:
http://991.com/newGallery/Saxon-Lionheart-304097.jpg

jerry1013
02-28-2009, 08:35 PM
[QUOTE=ADD;203942] Judas Priest? Hell no.QUOTE]

Ur kidding right. 80's Priest and 90's Priest owns 70's priest, no compatition

SomewhereInTime72
02-28-2009, 09:41 PM
Judas Priest? Hell no.

Ur kidding right. 80's Priest and 90's Priest owns 70's priest, no compatition

The three best Priest albums are EASILY Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class. :hmm:

es156
02-28-2009, 09:46 PM
The three best Priest albums are EASILY Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class. :hmm:

In your opinion. I listen to Defenders, Screaming and Painkiller far more often than any of the 70's discs.

TonyD
02-28-2009, 10:44 PM
Painkiller and their 80's stuff was good, but what they put out in the 70's was much more influential, and basically some of it just kicks the shit out of the 80's material.
My favorite album is British Steel, whether its for nostalgic reasons or not, which might explain why I like both eras.

SomewhereInTime72
02-28-2009, 11:03 PM
In your opinion. I listen to Defenders, Screaming and Painkiller far more often than any of the 70's discs.

Those are probably the next best 3, to me. The fact that it comes so close are exactly why Priest are my #2 band. :D

ravenheart
03-01-2009, 04:48 AM
Ur kidding right. 80's Priest and 90's Priest owns 70's priest, no compatition

This sentence was written by a 12 year old.

ravenheart
03-01-2009, 04:51 AM
I would say that musically the '70s Priest albums are better, but I'm with es156 in that I'll put on albums like 'British Steel' and 'Painkiller' before the '70s stuff.

But from a purely critical point of view, the '70s stuff was better.

It's a tough call.

jerry1013
03-01-2009, 06:56 AM
The three best Priest albums are EASILY Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class. :hmm:

Sin after Sin is great, It cracks my top 3 but just by comparising of decades here you gotta go 80's or Early 90's.

my top 5
5: Turbo:eyes:
4: Painkiller
3: Sin After Sin
2: British Steel
1: Screaming For Vengance

JRA
03-01-2009, 08:40 AM
I would say that musically the '70s Priest albums are better, but I'm with es156 in that I'll put on albums like 'British Steel' and 'Painkiller' before the '70s stuff.

But from a purely critical point of view, the '70s stuff was better.

It's a tough call.


I'll agree with this.

DethMaiden
03-01-2009, 12:41 PM
Oh, here's a major one, and it's nothing against FOTD or Blaze (though it's sorta something against NPFTD :D). 2000s Maiden > 90s Maiden

Div
03-01-2009, 12:49 PM
Oh, here's a major one, and it's nothing against FOTD or Blaze (though it's sorta something against NPFTD :D). 2000s Maiden > 90s Maiden

truth

tho im willing to throw fotd and blaze under that bus aswell :tongue:

ravenheart
03-01-2009, 04:12 PM
Oh, here's a major one, and it's nothing against FOTD or Blaze (though it's sorta something against NPFTD :D). 2000s Maiden > 90s Maiden

Agreed.

SomewhereInTime72
03-01-2009, 04:14 PM
Going out and saying:

X Factor > DOD+AMOLAD > FOTD > BNW > VXI > NPFTD

Yeah, I guess 2000s wins.

es156
03-01-2009, 05:29 PM
X Factor > DOD+AMOLAD > FOTD > BNW > VXI > NPFTD


I thought you stopped smoking crack?

zgodt
03-01-2009, 08:31 PM
I find 90s Soundgarden superior to 80s Soundgarden.

es156
03-01-2009, 08:37 PM
I find 90s Soundgarden superior to 80s Soundgarden.

Did you ever get to see them live? I never did catch them, but I would have to think that they put on a good show.

TonyD
03-01-2009, 08:41 PM
The way Cornell's solo work is going, I think we can expect a reunion within the next 5 years or so.

es156
03-01-2009, 08:45 PM
The way Cornell's solo work is going, I think we can expect a reunion within the next 5 years or so.

What happened there? I tried to listen to a couple of songs on his MySpace and I couldn't do it. They were awful. I was thinking about catching his current tour to see some old Soundgarden songs played live, but now I am not so sure.

SomewhereInTime72
03-01-2009, 08:59 PM
I thought you stopped smoking crack?

Obviously not! :party:

es156
03-01-2009, 09:11 PM
Obviously not! :party:

:lol:


So, just out of curiosity, how would you rate the 80's discs?

Maiden33
03-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Going out and saying:

X Factor > DOD+AMOLAD > FOTD > BNW > VXI > NPFTD

Yeah, I guess 2000s wins.

BNW > AMOLAD > X Factor = DOD > FOTD > VXI > NPFTD

SomewhereInTime72
03-01-2009, 09:21 PM
:lol:


So, just out of curiosity, how would you rate the 80's discs?

SIT > SSOASS=Powerslave > holy shit i cant possibly do this :lol: :lol:
BNW > AMOLAD > X Factor = DOD > FOTD > VXI > NPFTD
I can't possibly see how AMOLAD and DOD aren't better than BNW. :eyes:

Maiden33
03-01-2009, 10:23 PM
SIT > SSOASS=Powerslave > holy shit i cant possibly do this :lol: :lol:

I can't possibly see how AMOLAD and DOD aren't better than BNW. :eyes:

Brave New World is Maiden's second-best album. :D

TonyD
03-01-2009, 11:59 PM
Fuck this, I'm putting on the first album.

JRA
03-02-2009, 06:43 AM
:lol:


So, just out of curiosity, how would you rate the 80's discs?


NOTB > Powerslave > 7th Son > Kilers > SIT > Iron Maiden > POM

Fe Maiden
03-02-2009, 07:29 AM
Iron Maiden > POM:hecho:

No one else has said it but I feel the 80's albums by RUSH are superior to their 70's material.

JRA
03-02-2009, 08:05 AM
:hecho:



I don't hate Piece of Mind, I just don't like it as much as the others.

DethMaiden
03-02-2009, 08:35 AM
Powerslave > POM > 7th Son > NOTB > SIT > debut > DOD > BNW > TXF > AMOLAD> Killers > FOTD > VXI > NPFTD

zgodt
03-02-2009, 08:48 AM
Did you ever get to see them live? I never did catch them, but I would have to think that they put on a good show.

I caught them at a Lollapalooza in the early 90s. Not the ideal way to see them, but they rocked a bit. Slaves and Bulldozers was badass live.

zgodt
03-02-2009, 08:49 AM
What happened there? I tried to listen to a couple of songs on his MySpace and I couldn't do it. They were awful. I was thinking about catching his current tour to see some old Soundgarden songs played live, but now I am not so sure.

Cornell's recent solo material is absolutely dire. Someone gave me his last CD for free, and I still think I overpaid for it.

Maiden33
03-02-2009, 09:32 AM
I'm seriously considering putting up an official Iron Maiden Album Discussion Thread. That would quickly become the most active topic on this board.

JRA
03-02-2009, 09:35 AM
I'm seriously considering putting up an official Iron Maiden Album Discussion Thread. That would quickly become the most active topic on this board.

That's kinda what this thread has become.

In fact, while I'm thinking of it...Pavo, I think it's high time we put the Maiden Ed Hunter photo back up as the banner of the site. The "great Maiden schism" has gone (and all those who were against them ran away with their tails between their legs :eyes:), so I think it should be resurrected!

ADD
03-02-2009, 11:43 AM
Good call on some of the bands, I stand corrected :cool:

Fe Maiden
03-02-2009, 01:18 PM
I don't hate Piece of Mind, I just don't like it as much as the others.I understand. We all have our own taste and opinions. For me, I just can't put it down that far.

Maiden33
03-02-2009, 01:40 PM
I gotta go with FeMaiden here, I think it's absurd to rank Piece of Mind that low. Piece of Mind has more stand-out tracks that any other Maiden album. It's not their best album, mainly due to consistency issues, but to rank the album that includes Where Eagles Dare, Revelations, The Trooper, Die With Your Boots On, Still Life, To Tame a Land, and Flight of Icarus that low...

JRA
03-02-2009, 02:31 PM
I gotta go with FeMaiden here, I think it's absurd to rank Piece of Mind that low. Piece of Mind has more stand-out tracks that any other Maiden album. It's not their best album, mainly due to consistency issues, but to rank the album that includes Where Eagles Dare, Revelations, The Trooper, Die With Your Boots On, Still Life, To Tame a Land, and Flight of Icarus that low...


That's my main issue though, consistency. Plus the guitar tone is weak compared to the previous two, listen to how crunchy and heavy it sounds, whereas on Piece, it's just kinda meh. Especially when you compare it to...say Holy Diver.

Fe Maiden
03-02-2009, 02:59 PM
That's my main issue though, consistency. Plus the guitar tone is weak compared to the previous two, listen to how crunchy and heavy it sounds, whereas on Piece, it's just kinda meh. Especially when you compare it to...say Holy Diver.I disagree, but, once again it is a matter of taste and opinion. I find POM to be one of the heaviest of the Maiden albums overall. It certainly is not what I would call "radio friendly."


We do need a Maiden discussion forum damnit!!!:allan:

Fe Maiden
03-02-2009, 03:00 PM
I gotta go with FeMaiden here, I think it's absurd to rank Piece of Mind that low. Piece of Mind has more stand-out tracks that any other Maiden album. It's not their best album, mainly due to consistency issues, but to rank the album that includes Where Eagles Dare, Revelations, The Trooper, Die With Your Boots On, Still Life, To Tame a Land, and Flight of Icarus that low...We obviously like the same songs on that album!!!:light:

JRA
03-02-2009, 04:02 PM
We obviously like the same songs on that album!!!:light:

I think everybody does. :eyes:

rjturtle9
03-02-2009, 07:36 PM
I think everybody does. :eyes:

:horns:

SomewhereInTime72
03-02-2009, 07:44 PM
I love every song on Piece Of Mind! :party: :party:

ravenheart
03-03-2009, 01:53 AM
I love every song on Piece Of Mind! :party: :party:

I don't. 'Quest For Fire' is terrible. And I really don't like 'Sun And Steel' or 'To Tame A Land' very much either. The rest is awesome.

Fe Maiden
03-03-2009, 07:39 AM
I love every song on Piece Of Mind! :party: :party:Me too! I even like Quest For Fire despite the cheesy lyrics. The music still is awesome.

TonyD
03-03-2009, 09:06 AM
I remember "Sun and Steel" being in an episode of Jackass for some reason

SomewhereInTime72
03-03-2009, 11:08 AM
Me too! I even like Quest For Fire despite the cheesy lyrics. The music still is awesome.

Exactly! I was just listening to it earlier today... Yep, still great.

Maiden33
03-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Quest For Fire and Sun and Steel share a common trait in many Maiden songs. Fantastic instrumental breaks in mediocre songs.

powerslave_85
03-03-2009, 11:28 AM
I think POM is the weakest "Golden Era" album by a long shot.

ADD
03-03-2009, 12:25 PM
I think POM is the weakest "Golden Era" album by a long shot.

I disagree, I would say thats Number Of The Beast.

Fe Maiden
03-03-2009, 01:05 PM
I disagree, I would say thats Number Of The Beast.
Yeah POM > NOTB However NOTB does have a few really outstanding songs on it such as HBTN:drool: POM is better overall IMO

Div
03-03-2009, 02:27 PM
POM > FOTD

just putting it out there. infact i think its one of their better albums, sure its got those two cheesy songs but how can you overlook 'where eagles dare'?

powerslave_85
03-03-2009, 03:10 PM
I think the only song on NOTB you can say is weak is Gangland, but I really like it.

Maiden33
03-03-2009, 03:11 PM
I disagree, I would say thats Number Of The Beast.

I wasn't aware there was anyone else in the world who agreed with mo on this. :party:

SomewhereInTime72
03-03-2009, 03:12 PM
I think the only song on NOTB you can say is weak is Gangland, but I really like it.

Indeed, I'd have to say NOTB and POM are pretty much on par with eachother.

aka amazing lol