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Maiden33
01-04-2008, 06:20 AM
Alright, I just posted this on my blog last night, so I wanted to more or less copy and paste it and put it up here for you guys to read. I know only a small few of you believe my opinions are relevant to what you like, but I hope you'll at least take a gander at this list, as I've put a lot of time into making it.

I now present my ranking of all the discs in 2007 which I either purchased (more than half of the list), or burned and considerably familiarized myself with. I apologize for the albums missing (there wound up being about 8 that I still would like to get). I tried to get as a much of this stuff in as I could, but I only have so much time, money, and sanity.
The albums are ranked from 40 to 1, 1 being the highest. This was a very hard list to compile and it's not set in stone. These are my opinions, don't bash. You can disagree, but as I just said, don't get sand in your vagina if you don't like what I have to say.

P.S.: I meant to include an image of each album cover, but apparently we have a 14-picture-per-post limit, and I'm not making 3 different posts to be able to include images. Sorry.

40.Labyrinth - Six Days to Nowhere (52%)
A big dissapointment to say the least. This band used to be an excellent prog/power hybrid, but neither element is very prominent here. The opening track is pretty good, but most of the rest is just bad.

39.Thunderstone - Evolution 4.0 (59%)
Another band which used to be at the forefront of their genre, releasing 3 amazing albums prior to this. A better title for this album would be: "De-evolution 4.0". There are some good tracks, ie "Face in the Mirror", but mostly it just shows how you can take excellent heavy/power metal and destroy it.

38.Magnum - Princess Alice and the Broken Arrow (62%)
Magnum have never been a hip, modern, or "up-to-date" band, but this release in general is just plodding, bordering on boring. Many of the songs clock in around 7 minutes with absolutely no justification for it. Not a completely worthless album though, as songs like "Out of the Shadows" and "When Were Younger" are actually pretty good.

37.Sonata Arctica - Unia (63%)
I hated this album when it came out, but I must say it's grown on me ever-so-slightly. This album features a lot of experimentation. Some of it works, a lot of it doesn't. Despite this album's downfalls, "Paid In Full" is an excellent song, fit for any Sonata release of the past.

36.Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos (67%)
Clocking in just 90 seconds shy of a full-disc, this album's length alone is one of it's biggest negative factors, considering a total of 8 tracks. DT are known for wankery, but with almost every song coming in at 9 minutes or longer, the length doesn't justify the substance. Also, I deduct points for the occasional forrays into Metalli-worship (Constant Motion), and nu-ish tendancies (Dark Eternal Night).

35.Joe Lynn Turner - Second Hand Life (68%)
Considering his age, I should rate this album higher just because of how good JLT's voice still sounds. However, most of the songwriting here is pretty forgetable, and in general this disc just doesn't grab me. The title track is pretty worth a listen though.

34.Machine Men - Circus of Fools (69%)
Another experimentation-gone-wrong in my opinion. This band is far better suited for their Bruce Dickinson-worship of old than this nu-ish new direction they seem to be headed in.

33.Lizzy Borden - Appointment with Death (69%)
Mix attempts to be modern, over-attempts to be "evil", and a generally good sense of classic metal, and this is what you will get.

32.Avantasia - Lost In Space (70%)
I completely saw this one coming. A blind and deaf man could've seen and heard that Tobias Sammet has been wanting to be a pop artist for a couple of years now, and this the result. The title song is basically a version of Edguy's "Superheroes" but with all the heaviness removed. Despite the weaknesses, one cannot fault the pure ownage of "Promised Land", which showcases why Jorn Lande is a vocal god.

31.Jorn - Live in America (72%)
Did someone say Jorn? This live album showcasing his performance at ProgPowerUSA VIII has mediocre sound, but most unfortunately is the set list. When you have done as much great work of your own as Jorn has, you should not be doing a live album that's half covers. It's as simple as that.

30.Emerald Sun - Escape From Twilight (72%)
Two words. Helloween worship. That's really all there is to say. You could play the opening track, "Scream Out Loud" for a die-hard Helloween fan and convince them, production aside, that it was a lost bonus track from the original Keeper of the 7 Keys sessions.

29.WASP - Dominator (73%)
No surprise here, but WASP released a fairly good album which despite a few great songs, in general is just nothing special. They seem to like doing this. Props to "The Burning Man", "Long Long Way to Go", and "Take Me Up". You can skip the rest.

28.Axel Rudi Pell - Diamonds Unlocked (73%)
Covers albums have never fared well with me, but this I must say is a stray exception. ARP and co. manage to actually take a fairly average set of songs (many of which are not metal) and turn them into excellent tracks, which sound perfect for the ARP dynamic. My hat is off to the nearly 9-minute version of "In the Air Tonight".

27.Twisted Tower Dire - Netherworlds (74%)
TTD's last album was a tour-de-force in the potential of US Power Metal. Though this album falls a bit short of that, I must commend it, for it offers several excellent tracks. Only real complaint is that (now ex-) vocalist Tony Taylor sounds very weak for some reason.

26.Ride the Sky - New Protection (75%)
Uli Kusch apparently left Masterplan to form a band which is basically: Masterplan + 7 String guitars + Weaker Vocalist. This disc overall is pretty good, but falls short of being anything to write home about.

25.Saxon - The Inner Sanctum (75%)
28 years since their first album, and Saxon are still managing to release quality albums with a handful of great tracks. "Red Star Falling" and "If I Was You" offer up great new and succesful directions for the band, while "State of Grace" offers a modern update on the traditional Saxon sound of old.

24.Iced Earth - Framing Armageddon (76%)
Despite the general opinion that this album blows, I must disagree... though this is hardly a masterwork. I don't really care what anyone says, this album is hardly an embarrassment to IE, and overall offers up their traditional killer-to-filler ratio. If anything, I actually find this album to be more consistant than many IE albums of the past. Regardless of opinion, I can't stop singing the chorus of "Ten Thousand Strong".

23.Kotipelto - Serenity (76%)
Timo Kotipelto without Stratovarius will always leave me feeling like something is missing, but I must say, this album is better than Kotipelto's last effort, "Coldness". Despite not having any songs I love, I can't say I don't like any song on this album. A pretty satisfying and consistent listen.

22.Messiah's Kiss - Dragonheart (77%)
This is the kind of style that usually either completely works or completely fails, but oddly here it produces a generally good but un-amazing album. Vocalist Mike Terrelli shows why his pipes are a very good fit for Riot throughout the disc, but at many times the song arrangements tend to be very paint-by-numbers.

21.Icarus Witch - Songs For the Lost (78%)
Icarus Witch now offers up their sophomore effort, which is pretty much in the same vein as their debut. Overall the disc is about the equal quality of it's predecessor, meaning it has it's clear strengths and weaknessed. The Def Leppard cover with Joe Lynn Turner is superb, and "Out For Blood" is a killer opening track.

20.Excalion - Waterlines (78%)
Excalion are generally a new band, but in my mind they've already joined their Finnish brethren (ie Stratovarius, Nightwish, Twilightning, etc) with this release of quality melodic power metal. The opening trilogy of tracks here is pretty hard to follow, but in general this is a very solid disc, worth checking out if you're a fan of the bands I just mentioned.

19.Sinner - Mask of Sanity (79%)
Mat Sinner pumps out yet another Sinner disc, this one offering a bit of a return to his classic rock, Thin Lizzy-esque roots, with only a few exceptions, such as "Thunder Roar", featuring Brainstorm-vocalist Andy B. Frank. I have to be in the right mood for this disc but when I am, I love it, and there's not a weak track to be found here.

18.At Vance - VII (79%)
At Vance have now released more than a half-dozen quality albums, but as was the case were their previous album, "VII" seems to be lacking a bit of identity. Incredibly, Olaf Lenk pulled another excellent vocalist out of the bag. Unfortunately he apparently was so enthralled that he forgot to write quality songs. There's no bad tracks on here, but this album is lacking the drive and inspiration of past efforts like Only Human or The Evil In You

17.Black Majesty - Tomorrowland (81%)
These Australian metal kings now offer a third disc, which follows very much in the vein of its two predecessors... meaning excellent melodic/progressive power metal. Their singer still manages to occasionally annoy me by meandering into weak/high falsetto, but I'll hardly fault and otherwise superb disc for that.

16.Primal Fear - New Religion (82%)
Primal Fear released what will probably be their career masterpiece, "Seven Seals" in 2005, so a dissapointment was inevitable. Not that this disc is bad. Half of these tracks are excellent. In other words, what I'm saying is: "This is about the quality of any Primal Fear album that isn't Seven Seals". Unfortunately it also seems as though the exit of guitarist Tom Nauman led the band down a less dual-guitar sound, which hurts the disc overall.

15.Symphony X - Paradise Lost (82%)
After a long hiatus, Symphony X delivers the follow-up to "The Odyssey". Though this disc offers some excellent tracks, including the title track, which is among the best songs this band has ever done, I feel this disc is a dissapointment. The band seems to playing up the repetative nu-ish riff-aspect of their sound and down-playing the excellent keyboard atmospheric side of the sound to their past masterpieces. Also, it doesn't help that apparently they thought it would be a good idea for Russell Allen, the man with what I feel is metal's best voice, to growl.

14.Silent Force - Walk the Earth (83%)
DC Cooper sounds excellent, the songs are well written and well performed, and there are a total of 12 tracks showcasing various dynamics of the band's sound. These aspects accounted for, it's hard to imagine how this disc could not succeed.

13.Nocturnal Rites - The 8th Sin (85%)
Nocturnal Rites have long-been one of power metal's best and most underated bands. Their previous effort, "Grand Illusion" was a career high for them in my eyes, and while this disc is anything but bad, it lacks the personality of albums like the aforementioned and "Shadowland". The songs are very catchy, which is something I've always loved, but I feel at times the band might be getting too caught up in commerciality.

12.Eden's Curse - s/t (87%)
This brand new band has given us a very strong and memorable debut album. Not a single one of these songs is weak, and as usual when Dennis Ward is involved, there is an obvious trace of Pink Cream 69's signature sound on this disc, which is one of the year's highlights in melodic metal.

11.Astral Doors - New Revelations (87%)
Astral Doors had two choices: Either they mature and leave their Dio-worshipping roots behind them, or be doomed to mediocrity. Luckily they chose the evolution path, which shows them taking more chances than in the past, and vocalist Nils Patrik Johansson expanding his vocal horizons (see: Bastard Son). This disc really surprised me, and gives me hope that this band could continue to mature into something great in the years to come.

10.Steve Grimmet Band - Personal Crisis (88%)
Spealing of evolution, Steve Grimmet is back, and better than ever. Not a knock on Grim Reaper, but Steve's closed that chapter of his book and now offers this disc, which renewed all the faith I ever had in him as a vocalist. These songs are strong and memorable, and Steve sings his ass off, in a good way.

9.Allen/Lande - the Revenge (88%)
The only reason this album didn't rank higher is because it followed 2005's "The Battle", and not the other way arround. This disc almost exactly the same caliber, but unfortunately sticking to the exact formula makes me deduct some points. This is basically The Battle: Rewritten. Which means though it's not highly original, it's still an excellent example of the best in melodic metal.

8.Pink Cream 69 - In10sity (89%)
Pop metal never sounded so good. Somehow, Dennis Ward and the boys manage to yet again more or less cross classic Def Leppard with power metal and come up with amazing results. This disc has some of the catchiest choruses I've ever heard.

7.Bloodbound - Book of the Dead (89%)
People who hated Bloodbound's debut for being too "unoriginal" or "generic" will likely hate this album for the same exact reason. But for those of us who appreciate old school metal redone with a melodic power metal flavor, this album plays on all the strengths of it's predecessor, and actually manages to diversify a bit. New vocalist Michael Bormann fits the spot quite well.

6.Lord - Ascendance (90%)
From the ashes of the magnificent Dungeon comes LORD, which picks up just where Dungeon left off. Thus, we have a disc full of incredible metal tunes... spanning from melodic metal, to power metal, to thrash. "Lord" Tim and co. offer a great disc which will please any fan of the sadly demised Dungeon.

5.Gamma Ray - Land of the Free Pt. II (90%)
Remember the Gamma Ray sound of the mid-to-late 90s? Well, it's back in full form. After the somewhat lackluster Majestic, the band have bounced back with an excellent return to form, which offers some of the best songs this band has done to date in my opinion. The final track, "Insurrection", clocking in at nearly 12 minutes, is an incredible reminder that there is still life in traditional power metal.

4.Rob Rock - Garden of Chaos (91%)
Following in the vein of "Holy Hell", Rob Rock gives us another disc of quality "christian" metal which does not dissapoint. Though the second half of this disc is stronger, the whole thing rules, and proves once again that: Roy Z + Rob Rock = Great. Every time.

3.Vanishing Point - the Fourth Season (91%)
Australia's Vanishing Point have now cemented their spot as one of the best and most original bands in modern metal. Just as with their previous efforts, "The Fourth Season" reminds us what melodic/progressive metal is meant to be. Emotional, Deep, Thoughtful, and Powerful. I can't fault this disc at all.

2.Redemption - The Origins of Ruin (92%)
You'd never believe it, but apparently this singer is the same guy who sang on Fates Warning's No Exit album. Yep, it's Ray Alder. 20 Years after coming onto the scene, Ray delivers his most passionate vocal performance to date on this disc, which perfectly combines the emotional aspect I love about well-written music and the best kind of progressive metal in my opinion. All 9 of these tracks are excellent, and this album was without a doubt one of the most heavily rotated of the entire year for me.

1.Masterplan - MKII (92%)
Yep, this is it. Amazing isn't it? Masterplan lost Jorn Lande and Uli Kusch and somehow managed to claim my 1 spot again. The massive factor present here is the inclusion of now ex-Riot vocalist Mike Dimeo, which is probably the best replacement for Jorn this band could've gotten shy of Russell Allen. Mike brings his all on this disc, as does Roland Grapow - mainly in the writing department. I can't say I don't like a single one of these tracks, and every time I strike up the intro to "Warrior's Cry", I feel like there's nothing better than this. With now 3 amazing albums under their belt, Masterplan have earned their spot as one of the best bands around, and if they keep Dimeo on vocals and keep releasing albums of this quality, that's not going to change.

I thank the readers that took their time to browse through this and maybe even read all of it. If you thought it was long for you, imagine listening to all 40 of these discs over and over again, and for the weaker ones, just listening for the sake of being able to write intelligent criticism. It's been a long journey, but as always, I'm happy I did it. I get an immense satisfaction out of doing this kind of thing, even if I know only a few stray people will take the time to appreciate it.
Feel free to post your comments on my list, but as mentioned at the very beginning: Do NOT bash. I'm not made of time and money, so I'm sorry if you feel I'm missing something I should've ranked on here.

ravenheart
01-04-2008, 07:05 AM
Lol, apart from Thunderstone all the power metal albums I slated this year for being generic and boring are in your top 20!

Just an observation ;)

Lots in there that I need to get though. Ones I know I'll like but for whatever reason (usually shit distribution companies in the UK) weren't sent them.


I can't be bothered to write a little bit about each album because I've written all I care to about most of them already, but lovin' the top 40 countdown idea, so here goes:

40 U.D.O. - Mastercutor review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/05/29/udo-mastercutor/)
39 Mustasch - Latest Version of The Truth review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/06/17/mustasch-latest-version-of-the-truth/)
38 Hellfueled - Memories In Black review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/08/19/hellfueled-memories-in-black/)
37 Comes With The Fall - Beyond The Last Light review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/09/09/comes-with-the-fall-beyond-the-last-light/)
36 Agent Steel - Alienigma review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/10/21/agent-steel-alienigma/)
35 Nightwish - Dark Passion Play review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/10/15/nightwish-dark-passion-play/)
34 Down - Over The Under
33 Chris Cornell - Carry On
32 Ozzy Osbourne - Black Rain
31 The Cult - Born Into This
30 Therion - Gothic Kabbalah review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/01/18/therion-gothic-kabbalah/)
29 Abandoned - Thrash You! review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/07/08/abandoned-thrash-you/)
28 Every Time I Die - The Big Dirty review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/09/03/every-time-i-die-the-big-dirty/)
27 Razor Ball - Razor Ball review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/07/24/razor-ball-razor-ball/)
26 Clawfinger - Life Will Kill You review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/08/05/clawfinger-life-will-kill-you/)
25 Overkill - Immortalis review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/10/14/overkill-immortalis/)
24 Echoes of Eternity - The Forgotten Goddess review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/02/19/echoes-of-eternity-the-forgotten-goddess/)
23 Wolfpack Unleashed - Anthems of Resistance review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/10/22/wolfpack-unleashed-anthems-of-resistance/)
22 W.A.S.P. - Dominator
21 Ricky Warwick - Love Owes review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/11/15/ricky-warwick-love-owes-ep/)
20 Candlemass - King of The Grey Islands review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/07/01/candlemass-king-of-the-grey-islands/)
19 Threshold - Dead Reckoning review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/04/01/threshold-dead-reckoning/)
18 Mindflow - Mind Over Body review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/08/19/mindflow-mind-over-body/)
17 Symphorce - Become Death review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/02/27/symphorce-become-death/)
16 Mystic Prophecy - Satanic Curses review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/12/03/mystic-prophecy-satanic-curses/)
15 Three - The End is Begun review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/07/24/three-the-end-is-begun/)
14 Deadsoul Tribe - A Lullaby For The Devil review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/09/02/deadsoul-tribe-a-lullaby-for-the-devil/)
13 Tarsha - Prophecies review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/08/12/tarsha-prophecies/)
12 Tristania - Illumination review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/02/14/tristania-illumination/)
11 Primordial - To The Nameless Dead review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2008/01/02/primordial-to-the-nameless-dead/)
10 McQueen - Break The Silence review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/01/21/mcqueen-break-the-silence/)
9 Hellyeah - Hellyeah review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/05/29/hellyeah-hellyeah/)
8 Symphony X - Paradise Lost review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/06/26/symphony-x-paradise-lost/)
7 Lions Share - Emotional Coma
6 House of Games - Rise And Shine review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/12/30/house-of-games-rise-and-shine/)
5 Volbeat - Rock The Rebel/Metal The Devil review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/03/14/volbeat-rock-the-rebelmetal-the-devil/)
4 Wall of Sleep - …And Hell Followed With Him
3 Emigrate - Emigrate review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/12/05/emigrate-emigrate/)
2 Nation Beyond - The Aftermath Odyssey
1 Sixx:A.M. - The Herion Diaries review (http://jukebo.cx/archives/2007/11/04/sixxam-the-heroin-diaries-soundtrack/)

overkiller
01-04-2008, 08:59 AM
Jesus CHRIST, how do you listen to that much fucking power metal and not commit suicide?

es156
01-04-2008, 09:14 AM
Jesus CHRIST, how do you listen to that much fucking power metal and not commit suicide?

Substitute black/death metal in that question and I could ask you the same. When I read the Now Playing thread it makes me wonder sometimes.

overkiller
01-04-2008, 09:16 AM
Substitute black/death metal in that question and I could ask you the same. When I read the Now Playing thread it makes me wonder sometimes.

Power metal's got sooo much less to offer.

es156
01-04-2008, 09:17 AM
Power metal's got sooo much less to offer.

LOL

overkiller
01-04-2008, 09:20 AM
LOL

You don't think that's true? How much black or death metal have you listened to?

JRA
01-04-2008, 09:21 AM
After reading this thread, I'm gonna listen to nothing but rap this year so you people can ask "How can you listen to so much rap and not commit homicide?" :D

Angelripper
01-04-2008, 09:52 AM
Jesus CHRIST, how do you listen to that much fucking power metal and not commit suicide?
I kind of agree. That is a LOT of Power Metal...

SomewhereInTime72
01-04-2008, 11:28 AM
This is a one-genre list.

ravenheart
01-04-2008, 12:02 PM
Power metal's got sooo much less to offer.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, power metal's only got singers that can actually sing. So much less than death metal ;)

As always it depends who you listen to. Listen to Manowar 24/7 and you're right. Listen to Symphorce and you're not ;)

That said, Witchery slay almost that entire list :rocker:

Mine's only got three power metal albums in it :D

theclansman1114
01-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Yeah, definitely. I mean, power metal's only got singers that can actually sing. So much less than death metal ;)

Indeed. :)

Div
01-04-2008, 12:33 PM
I prefer clean vocals in most of my music, but I gotta say that atleast 8 times out of 10 power metal singers just sound gay.


btw Manowar isn't power metal.

overkiller
01-04-2008, 12:40 PM
Yeah, definitely. I mean, power metal's only got singers that can actually sing. So much less than death metal ;)

Boy, I've never heard that one before. :tp: I guess rap's bad too because rappers don't sing, huh? God forbid a vocalist use his voice in a manner that goes against musical norms.

As always it depends who you listen to. Listen to Manowar 24/7 and you're right. Listen to Symphorce and you're not ;)

I wouldn't necessarily call Manowar power metal, excepting maybe their later material. And if we're talking about their early material, Manowar is probably better than a great deal of the bands in this thread anyhow. But that's completely beside the point, so nevermind.

ADD
01-04-2008, 02:05 PM
Of the albums you listed that I heard I didn't really like any of them. Props for doing the write-up though. I really wish I could attempt something like this, but due to the unfathomable quantity of new releases I've heard this year that span far too many genres/styles to be fairly compared against each other (not to mention the sheer high quality of so many of these releases) I don't feel compelled to put the time and effort into doing so. I look forward to reading everyone else's lists and opinions on the year though :D

powerslave_85
01-04-2008, 03:13 PM
I think I'll put together a year-end thing tonight.

ravenheart
01-04-2008, 06:26 PM
Boy, I've never heard that one before. :tp: I guess rap's bad too because rappers don't sing, huh? God forbid a vocalist use his voice in a manner that goes against musical norms.

Guess my previous thought that the only smiley understood in these parts is ;) was wrong :tp:

Did you read my list? There's absolutely every kind of metal vocal in there except all-out death.

I wouldn't necessarily call Manowar power metal

btw Manowar isn't power metal

Really? Absolutely everything about Manowar is power metal. Their lyrical content, their style, their album covers, their homosexual image. Everything. They're text book.

ravenheart
01-04-2008, 06:27 PM
I prefer clean vocals in most of my music, but I gotta say that atleast 8 times out of 10 power metal singers just sound gay.

It's all about listening to the right bands. Same as any genre or sub-genre.

JRA
01-04-2008, 07:22 PM
Would someone like to tell me how metal managed to fuck itself into a thousand different sub genres anyway?

overkiller
01-04-2008, 07:35 PM
Would someone like to tell me how metal managed to fuck itself into a thousand different sub genres anyway?

Read one of those metal history books. None of them are all that great, but Sound of the Beast isn't too bad. Lords of Chaos and Choosing Death do a great job of tracing the evolution of black and death metal, respectively.

Nick
01-04-2008, 08:30 PM
Not going to try and say there isn't a lot of power metal in there, but there is a good bit of it that isn't. Quite a bit of progressive metal in there (Dream Theater, Symphony X, Labyrinth, Redemption), and a good bit of more traditional rock and metal.

And on the side topic, I'd rather listen to shitty power metal than almost any "good" death metal.

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 09:02 PM
Not going to try and say there isn't a lot of power metal in there, but there is a good bit of it that isn't. Quite a bit of progressive metal in there (Dream Theater, Symphony X, Labyrinth, Redemption), and a good bit of more traditional rock and metal.

And on the side topic, I'd rather listen to shitty power metal than almost any "good" death metal.

That pretty much hits the mark. People on this board have a TERRIBLE habbit of lumping every kind of metal with clean vocals as power metal. I listen to 4 different general subgenres: Power metal, Progressive Metal, Traditional Metal, and Melodic Metal... each one is represented well in the list. There's even a few albums snuck in there that are more rock than they are metal. Any fan of these subgenres will tell you that there are distint qualities to each one seperating it from the others. Like I said though, almost everyone on this board considers any form of traditional metal without growling in it to be power metal. People on this board have a massive problem with just leaving stuff alone that they don't have anything to offer to. I don't come into your death metal (or what have you) threads and post comments more or less saying: "I Hate this music, but instead of staying out, I'm going to pollute this topic with my absent-minded negative comments anyway". I'm not in anyway way saying my opinion is superior. I'm just saying that as it's my opinion, you don't have to get all pissy when you don't like it.

I think it's interesting how I posted a topic almost identical to this one here last year and none of this nonsense happened. I think it goes to show how much the mentality of this board in general is declining.

SomewhereInTime72
01-04-2008, 09:06 PM
It still all sounds the same.

overkiller
01-04-2008, 09:07 PM
It still all sounds the same.

Bahahah.

es156
01-04-2008, 09:08 PM
You don't think that's true? How much black or death metal have you listened to?

The lol was because you know that was a useless argument. People who listen to country music think that everything else has "less" to offer. It is all a matter of taste. To you power metal has less to offer. To others all metal has less to offer. It is pointless to argue taste.

And please don't question how much black or death metal that I have listened to. You know how old I am (ha ha). I have listened to virtually all kinds of metal throughout the years. Let's just say that I have listened to enough to form opinions, etc. (I have even listened to the new Mayhem more than once <gasp> even though I won't claim to know exactly which sub-genre that you would put them in.)

Nick
01-04-2008, 09:14 PM
It still all sounds the same.

Yes, Dream Theater sounds like Gamma Ray which sounds like WASP. :tp:

But come to think of it, I don't know why I'm defending you Jeff, after you put the best album of the year only 4% points ahead of Unia.

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 09:23 PM
Yes, Dream Theater sounds like Gamma Ray which sounds like WASP. :tp:
Exactly.
I wish I still had the graphic of the roll-eyes smiling barfing thousands of roll-eyes smileys over and over, it would be very appropriate.

But come to think of it, I don't know why I'm defending you Jeff, after you put the best album of the year only 4% points ahead of Unia.

Funny. :dorky:

Nick
01-04-2008, 09:26 PM
NO ONE DARED TO
SPEAK OF THE TERRIBLE DANGER
THE HIDEOUS ANCIENT WARNINGS
FORGED IN THE VOID OF NIGHT

HE IS RISEN UP
OUT OF THE BLACKNESS
CHAOS
THE LAST OF THE PROPHETS
SINISTER
A SICKENING MONSTROUS SIGHT.

You know you love hardcore Canadians.

overkiller
01-04-2008, 09:29 PM
It is all a matter of taste. [...] It is pointless to argue taste.


Meh, maybe. I'm not sure I agree. That's the argument everybody uses, and I kind of feel it's a cop-out for when you can't think up a good reason why you like what you do.

For example, if it really is "all a matter of taste," then I can say that Britney Spears is unequivocally better than Beethoven, and you can't disagree, because it's my opinion. Does that really make sense?

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 09:35 PM
Meh, maybe. I'm not sure I agree. That's the argument everybody uses, and I kind of feel it's a cop-out for when you can't think up a good reason why you like what you do.

For example, if it really is "all a matter of taste," then I can say that Britney Spears is unequivocally better than Beethoven, and you can't disagree, because it's my opinion. Does that really make sense?

I'm going to both agree and disagree with you. But before reading on, forget that we completely disagree about almost all music.

In general, it does all just come down to opinion when you talk about what you like. It's completely up to you. If you want to listen to garbage, you can. You can even say you like it more than the most brilliantly crafted music ever created. However, there is a big difference between saying you like something more than something else and claiming it's technically superior. You can just leave it at: "It's just how I am" when it comes to preference of one band over another, but if you're going to say that something is technically greater than something else, you have to be able to back it up with solid facts or at least decent opinions.

powerslave_85
01-04-2008, 09:41 PM
In general, it does all just come down to opinion when you talk about what you like. It's completely up to you. If you want to listen to garbage, you can. You can even say you like it more than the most brilliantly crafted music ever created. However, there is a big difference between saying you like something more than something else and claiming it's technically superior. You can just leave it at: "It's just how I am" when it comes to preference of one band over another, but if you're going to say that something is technically greater than something else, you have to be able to back it up with solid facts or at least decent opinions.Why does "technical superiority" have to be the standard that defines what's good and bad? I mean, Dream Theater are very technically proficient, but there's about a billion other bands that I would consider more interesting, important, and influential who don't have their chops.

Nick
01-04-2008, 09:45 PM
If by 1 billion you actually mean 1, then I'd agree with you.

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 09:46 PM
Everybody loves to misinterperate my words don't they?

"Technical Superiority" in the context I use it does not necessarily mean virtuosity. It's refering to the qualities something has that you judge music on... whether it be instrumentally, songwriting, lyrics, vocals, etc.

Also, I specifically mentioned that there's a difference between claiming you like something more (which I said needs little or no justification) and saying something is better than something else as if it's a fact.

overkiller
01-04-2008, 09:46 PM
I'm going to both agree and disagree with you. But before reading on, forget that we completely disagree about almost all music.

In general, it does all just come down to opinion when you talk about what you like. It's completely up to you. If you want to listen to garbage, you can. You can even say you like it more than the most brilliantly crafted music ever created. However, there is a big difference between saying you like something more than something else and claiming it's technically superior. You can just leave it at: "It's just how I am" when it comes to preference of one band over another, but if you're going to say that something is technically greater than something else, you have to be able to back it up with solid facts or at least decent opinions.

That makes enough sense. You can like whatever you want. I just tend to hold people to a high standard. I feel like if you're going to bother with music (enough to post about it on a message board), you should have good reasons why you're using your listening time on the stuff you are, or at least be in the process of formulating your reasons. That's part of what I love about music and constantly experiencing new forms of it. The more you know, the greater your grasp over musical concepts and your ability to sense quality. Now, that's not to deny the basic human responses "I like this" or "I don't like this", I'm just saying that those sentiments are foundations that should be built upon. And even if you enjoy garbage (I'd be lying if I said I didn't have guilty pleasures), you should at least be able to recognize garbage music for what it is, and determine what is it about that music that you like. There's a good deal of stuff on In Flames' Reroute to Remain album that I like, even though I know it's essentially disposable garbage. What is it I like about it? I think it's mostly the catchy choruses. But that's just a random example and kind of beside the point. Ahem.

es156
01-04-2008, 09:47 PM
Meh, maybe. I'm not sure I agree. That's the argument everybody uses, and I kind of feel it's a cop-out for when you can't think up a good reason why you like what you do.

For example, if it really is "all a matter of taste," then I can say that Britney Spears is unequivocally better than Beethoven, and you can't disagree, because it's my opinion. Does that really make sense?

No, of course it doesn't really make sense. But to make the argument you would have to define "unequivocally better." Better at selling records and making zillions of American dollars? Or better at playing and composing classical music? Or better at making music that people can dance to? I think we can agree that there are musicians with a lot of talent in almost every genre, but then again, we would have to define "talent." People that like rap music may not think that being able to play lightning fast double bass drum is a talent at all, whether it is black metal or power metal. So, how do you define "better?" You and I know why we like what we do, but I don't know how we would prove the superiority of one genre over another.

By the way, I am not really even defending power metal. I just found your original statement to be amusing. ;)

powerslave_85
01-04-2008, 09:48 PM
"Technical Superiority" in the context I use it does not necessarily mean virtuosity. It's refering to the qualities something has that you judge music on... whether it be instrumentally, songwriting, lyrics, vocals, etc.Oh. Well, that's my bad.

overkiller
01-04-2008, 09:50 PM
No, of course it doesn't really make sense. But to make the argument you would have to define "unequivocally better." Better at selling records and making zillions of American dollars? Or better at playing and composing classical music? Or better at making music that people can dance to? I think we can agree that there are musicians with a lot of talent in almost every genre, but then again, we would have to define "talent." People that like rap music may not think that being able to play lightning fast double bass drum is a talent at all, whether it is black metal or power metal. So, how do you define "better?" You and I know why we like what we do, but I don't know how we would prove the superiority of one genre over another.

By the way, I am not really even defending power metal. I just found your original statement to be amusing. ;)

Ok, so it's a problem of definitions. By "unequivocably better" I guess I meant artistically viable. Having substance. But to say that we'd have to define what all those mean, and I'm not about to do that at 2 AM :finger::D

Nick
01-04-2008, 09:51 PM
I tend not to get into fights like this anymore. When I started into music it was like, "This is great, I have to show all these people and almost make them like it!" Now I realize it's all about helping those that want my opinion and ignoring the people who want to listen to the music I consider shitty. Whether something is "better" than something else is really just a pointless opinion in the long run, what's important is hooking people with similar tastes up with music they'll hopefully enjoy and going from there.

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 09:52 PM
That makes enough sense. You can like whatever you want. I just tend to hold people to a high standard. I feel like if you're going to bother with music (enough to post about it on a message board), you should have good reasons why you're using your listening time on the stuff you are, or at least be in the process of formulating your reasons. That's part of what I love about music and constantly experiencing new forms of it. The more you know, the greater your grasp over musical concepts and your ability to sense quality. Now, that's not to deny the basic human responses "I like this" or "I don't like this", I'm just saying that those sentiments are foundations that should be built upon. And even if you enjoy garbage (I'd be lying if I said I didn't have guilty pleasures), you should at least be able to recognize garbage music for what it is, and determine what is it about that music that you like. There's a good deal of stuff on In Flames' Reroute to Remain album that I like, even though I know it's essentially disposable garbage. What is it I like about it? I think it's mostly the catchy choruses. But that's just a random example and kind of beside the point. Ahem.

More or less my thoughts. I'm all for defining the qualities that make you like what you like and dislike what you don't. I've gotten into arguements over this many times in the past. I don't like it when people can't give valid reasons why they like one thing and don't like something that sounds nearly identical.
The thing I have an issue with on this board is that people consider me close-minded and inexperienced musically, because I most enjoy a generally small area of music. I listen to a lot of very different stuff, but it's the stuff I most enjoy (power, progressive, traditional, melodic metal) that I choose to talk about on here. This isn't something I come out and say every day, but I own CDs that qualify as stuff ranging from modern rock to classical to country, and have pulled them out as recent as 3 days ago. I'm a very musically experienced person, I just happen to go for something specific which tends to see me coming under fire a lot.

es156
01-04-2008, 09:55 PM
That's part of what I love about music and constantly experiencing new forms of it. The more you know, the greater your grasp over musical concepts....

:fist:

es156
01-04-2008, 09:57 PM
Ok, so it's a problem of definitions. By "unequivocably better" I guess I meant artistically viable. Having substance. But to say that we'd have to define what all those mean, and I'm not about to do that at 2 AM :finger::D

Exactly my point. We may not ever be able to suitably define those terms.

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 09:58 PM
Hey look, I finally made a topic that kind of took off. Not quite in the way I intended but oh well.

Nick
01-04-2008, 10:01 PM
Well then, back on topic, you forgot to put Amaran's Plight in there.

Maiden33
01-04-2008, 10:03 PM
Well then, back on topic, you forgot to put Amaran's Plight in there.

You're right. It's one of like 3 or 4 albums I really could've/should've put on there but either forgot to or omitted for some reason.

Nick
01-04-2008, 10:05 PM
You're right.

I get that a lot.

DethMaiden
01-05-2008, 08:24 AM
What a senseless argument you all are having considering everything is inferior to 70s prog. :tp:

overkiller
01-05-2008, 10:17 AM
What a senseless argument you all are having considering everything is inferior to Trout Mask Replica.

fixed


:D

DethMaiden
01-05-2008, 10:19 AM
fixed


:D

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