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JRA
10-29-2006, 03:08 PM
Yea it was the "altered" version, but its not like that made much of a difference. Really all they did was switch whoever played Anakin in the prequels with that other guy and added a few CGI special effects here and there, nothing to do with the plot. Extra bullshit.


This is kind of a sad day, as Return was my favorite in the Star Wars series. Of course, this was decided when I was about 12 or 13, and to quote Lemmy "Ah, but 12 is easy to blow you away isn't it?"

Don't get me wrong, Return is still a good movie, but its *sigh* not as good as Empire Strikes Back. It's really not even as good as A New Hope. Its become a fragmented movie for me really. The scenes where Luke gets Han Solo out of Jabba's Palace and from Luke meeting Anakin/Darth Vader at the Shield Generator on are still great, but other than that, it just kinda plods.



I guess my primary problem with the movie is pretty much everything from Luke & Co. leaving Tattooine to the "Battle Of Endor." First of all, I understand the Ewoks needed to be in the plot so they could give the Rebels an extra boost when destroying the generator, but something about the way that the Ewoks and Rebels met was kind of a snooze-fest. I mean, for starters the Ewok's worship C-3PO as some kind of God and "it's against his programming" to tell the Ewoks to go away? Has he fucking forgotten why the Rebels are there? Not to fucking play games with Teddy Bears with spears! Also, if Luke used the Force to get them out of that particular jam, why didn't he just use the Jedi persuasion power against the Ewoks? Somehow, I highly doubt that a race as primitive as the Ewoks would be able to resist the power of the Force. And now that I think about it, I'm kinda surprised that the Empire just lets the Ewoks roam free on a planet that has the shield generator to their secret weapon.

Another thing that's never made much sense to me is why Luke doesn't kill the Emperor after he cuts off Darth Vader/Anakin's hand. He just throws his lightsaber away? What the hell? The Emperor was coaxing Luke to attack him so he could get into a fight with Vader to work up his aggressive feelings, I understand that. But dude, Darth Vader's finished, he can't defend the Emperor anymore, plus who wouldn't want to see a fight between Luke and the Emperor? That would have been good shit! I don’t think Luke would have needed to lose control of his aggressive feelings in order to defeat the Emperor. Mace Windu almost got the Emperor in Episode 3 by turning his lightning bolts against him with his Lightsaber, and he didn't look like he would be turning to the Dark Side soon after that. Besides, its not like the Emperor was Luke’s Uncle or something. He is the leader of the Sith and the Galactic Empire and a threat to peace in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure if anybody else in the Rebel Alliance got the chance to kill the Emperor they would have taken it, just for the sake of poetic justice. Yoda and Obi-Wan told Luke that he was supposed to confront Darth Vader/Anakin and convince him to let the "good" win the conflict inside him, but they didn't say a damn thing about what to do with the Emperor. I mean how the hell did they think that the Emperor was going to be defeated? Rock, Paper, Scissors? When all is said and done, the plot that George came up with where Anakin (I'm just gonna use that from now on) just kills the Emperor himself was good in and of itself, but, I don't know, it was good but not great.

Good but not great can pretty much be said for the rest of the movie. I don’t know about you, but the Death Star fight in A New Hope seemed much more exciting that the one in Return, to name one example. Another example is that the storyline of getting captured by the Death Star and trying to escape it as well as trying to fix the Hyperdrive on the Millennium Falcon so Han & co. could escape the Star Destroyers seemed much more compelling than, again, fucking playtime with Teddy Bears with spears.

Now with all that being said, I will say that Return Of The Jedi leaves no loose end tied up; every single question unanswered in the previous two films was addressed and then some. Plus, in the overall scheme of things, I don’t think anybody could have picked a better way to end the Star Wars movie series. Luke becomes a Jedi, the Emperor is dead, what more could you want? And it’s still a great kids movie (George Lucas said even though the fans don’t want to admit it, Star Wars was intended for children), but not to many kids movies “grow up” well (no pun intended).

In conclusion I still like Return Of The Jedi, but plot faults and other BS keep it from me loving it as much as I once did.


So what do you think? Do you agree, disagree? Discuss.

MetalDrummer888
10-29-2006, 03:10 PM
star wars is like power rangers . . . its for little kids

JRA
10-29-2006, 03:31 PM
star wars is like power rangers . . . its for little kids


Ba-zing. I don't entirely agree with that statement. But still, Ba-zing.

DethMaiden
10-29-2006, 04:22 PM
I've never been a huge fan of Star Wars. This is my least favorite of the original three.

JRA
10-29-2006, 04:36 PM
I've never been a huge fan of Star Wars. This is my least favorite of the original three.


You think Freddy Kreuger is God?

DethMaiden
10-29-2006, 04:37 PM
You think Freddy Kreuger is God?

Actually, in the original Nightmare on Elm Street, his first on-screen victim is in his grip and yells "Oh God, help me!" and he wields his claw in front of her face saying "This...is God."

SomewhereInTime72
10-29-2006, 04:58 PM
I love this movie. :hmm:

JRA
10-29-2006, 04:58 PM
Actually, in the original Nightmare on Elm Street, his first on-screen victim is in his grip and yells "Oh God, help me!" and he wields his claw in front of her face saying "This...is God."


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. :cool:

Div
10-29-2006, 05:00 PM
star wars fucking owns

overkiller
10-29-2006, 07:11 PM
A New Hope is awesome, Empire owns, Jedi is mediocre, the other three don't exist.

MetalDrummer888
10-29-2006, 07:15 PM
lord of the rings is the best film trilogy ever

those movies, especially The Felloweship of the Ring, are so much better than Star Wars that its not even a contest

Spiral_Slave
10-29-2006, 07:19 PM
lord of the rings is the best film trilogy ever

those movies, especially The Felloweship of the Ring, are so much better than Star Wars that its not even a contest

:party: :party: :party:

es156
10-29-2006, 07:30 PM
A New Hope is awesome, Empire owns, Jedi is mediocre, the other three don't exist.

What other three?

:eyes:



;)

JRA
10-29-2006, 07:31 PM
lord of the rings is the best film trilogy ever

those movies, especially The Felloweship of the Ring, are so much better than Star Wars that its not even a contest


Incidentally, I have wanted to really sink my teeth into the 'rings' movies. I've watched them all once of course, but I've really wanted to, you know really get into them, and get the three & half hour double disc sets. But that requires setting aside a four hour block of your day.

JRA
10-29-2006, 07:33 PM
What other three?

:eyes:



;)


It really is sad. I, for one wanted to see how Anakin "hunted down and destroyed the Jedi Knights" and all I got was a bunch of clueless morons with lightsabers being ambushed.

Yoda
10-29-2006, 07:37 PM
One of these days when I have nothing to do (if that ever happens), I will watch the original trilogy. I purchased the purist version dvds recently, but haven't opened them yet.

JRA
10-29-2006, 07:38 PM
One of these days when I have nothing to do (if that ever happens), I will watch the original trilogy. I purchased the purist version dvds recently, but haven't opened them yet.


I want to get "purist" DVD trilogy, but I'm afraid they took out the extra scenes they put in the 1997 version of A New Hope, I thought those were cool.

overkiller
10-29-2006, 08:50 PM
lord of the rings is the best film trilogy ever

those movies, especially The Felloweship of the Ring, are so much better than Star Wars that its not even a contest

OMG UR RITE!!!!

powerslave_85
10-29-2006, 08:52 PM
I want to get "purist" DVD trilogy, but I'm afraid they took out the extra scenes they put in the 1997 version of A New Hope, I thought those were cool.
They did. The "purist" version is the one that was theatrically released in 1977. HAN FIRED FIRST!! :mad:

Robert
10-29-2006, 09:57 PM
God where do I begin????????????????

Star Wars (the original in 1977) was done as a "real" Sci-Fi to try and be more like the old Serial films of the 40's and 50's but with the best effects the 70's could offer. Lucas borrowed so much from so many other movies, (Forbidden Planet, 2001, etc, (even the soundtrack, is very derivative of many famous classical pieces) Just listen to Holst "The Planets", and Stravinsky "the rite of spring", then put on the star wars soundtrack, you'll hear what i'm talking about.

Like all kids, I ate , slept, breathed star wars.

The movie was such a total smash success phenomenon, that a sequal was inevitable, in an era when sequals were NOT the norm. I myself as a young lad of 7-8 saw the original 8 times in the theater, and (once in German!! yes army brat),

Later when Jedi came out I thought OK its dorky, with the teddy bears, but they wrapped up the story. (You all know it was supposed to be the wookie planet, right? but that wasn't feasable back then, as no CGI yet) Hence all the "little people" actors

Anyway years later, Lucas is getting older, hasn't had anything to do except manage his starwars empire of cash and merchandise, and various rereleases, he decides to do the pre-quel trilogy. And what happens???, he makes this movie (episode 1) where every single fucking scene is designed to sell a TOY, or some sucky merch., or promote the VIDEO GAME (is there any other reason for thar stupid pod race????). And I did think the charcters, were very stereotypically racist, Jar-Jar - jamaican, those fish guys were asian, the junk saleman- Arab. I was shaking my head all through the first sitting that midnight first show back in 1999.

Lucas ruined it for me. Yes , 2 and 3 ended up being a little better, but the damage was done, for me.

Where am I going with all this?
oh yeah, if you already own a trilogy, DONT buy these new ones, just rent them, watch and compare, they are just Lucas' way of milking more money out of his star wars faithful. If he really cared, He would have released it as a single mid-price disc, not the pricey double disc with the same "NEW" version we all already bought!!!!!

Oh yeah, the first ring movie I had a bad theater experience, but the next 2, I loved it, and I do like them, but I just can't find time to watch them again, there all SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!!!

SnakeCharmer
10-29-2006, 10:14 PM
I have 2 VHS versions of the first trilogy: the original set and the special editons. I also have a DVD set of the special editions of the first trilogy but I REFUSE to buy the new DVD set with the original set becaues I am tired of companies releasing these "updated" DVD versions. I'll download them or buy them used for cheap!

Yoda
10-30-2006, 06:21 AM
I have 2 VHS versions of the first trilogy: the original set and the special editons. I also have a DVD set of the special editions of the first trilogy but I REFUSE to buy the new DVD set with the original set becaues I am tired of companies releasing these "updated" DVD versions. I'll download them or buy them used for cheap!

Whenever they release something new that I want, I sell all the older stuff. :cool:

Fe Maiden
10-30-2006, 07:29 AM
star wars is for little kidsThen I guess I am a little kid at heart!

SnakeCharmer
10-30-2006, 01:56 PM
Whenever they release something new that I want, I sell all the older stuff. :cool:

I guess I can do it but its the principle of it all. I am tired of seeing "better" DVD versions months later on a movie I had just bought. Scarface is the perfect example of multiple versions on a DVD. :hmm: