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Maiden33
10-24-2006, 07:24 AM
I know, there's an album reviews forum, but this isn't really a review.

There's a few Savatage fans on this board, and as you may know, Circle II Circle is the new band of ex-Tage frontman Zak Stevens, and they just released their new album, Burden of Truth, a concept album based around the story of the Da Vinci Code.
All I can say is WOW. Amazing album. I've been playing it regularly for 3 weeks now since I got it, and it still is just incredible. Easily wins my #2 album of 2006 slot, and who knows, in the weeks to go left in the year might even overtake the new Maiden album.
It's better than the other two CIIC albums, and argueably better than all of Zak's albums with Savatage.
I just wanted to tell everyone that they should definately check this out. It's just amazing. Almost every track is a killer song, very catchy, yet very heavy. It also features several "odes to Tage", being the presence of piano on some tunes, and the KILLER "vocal round" in the title track. I just wanted to recommend this album to basically everyone, cause it blew even my expectations away who is a HUGE Zak Steves / Savatage fan.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-24-2006, 08:16 AM
You know, I'd like to get it, but the DaVinci Code is a fiction book for dummies. Now, why the hell you'd choose to write an album about someone else's shitty fiction is just beyond me. Either they're trying to cash in, or lyrical creativity for Stevens has reached an all-time low.

But your review is making me think I should give it a listen ;)

ChildrenofSodom
10-24-2006, 02:02 PM
You know, I'd like to get it, but the DaVinci Code is a conspiracy for dummies. Now, why the hell you'd choose to write an album about someone else's batshit stupid conspiracy theory is just beyond me. Either they're trying to cash in, or lyrical creativity for Stevens has reached an all-time low.

;)
fixed

SomewhereInTime72
10-24-2006, 03:30 PM
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:eyes: It's a book, it's presented as fiction. :eyes:

I'm with Mr. Cheese on this. Album based on The Davinci Code sounds kinda dumb. I'm also not too familiar with Savatage, so I'd rather get material by them instead.

ADD
10-24-2006, 03:52 PM
:lol: I thought the Da Vinci Code was a great book, but I guess if you say that you're a n00b nowadays:dorky:

EvilCheeseWedge
10-24-2006, 04:03 PM
:lol: I thought the Da Vinci Code was a great book, but I guess if you say that you're a n00b nowadays:dorky:
When I read it I thought it was like reading an action movie. No substance.

I hate to think what the movie was like...

Maiden33
10-24-2006, 04:32 PM
:lol: I thought the Da Vinci Code was a great book, but I guess if you say that you're a n00b nowadays:dorky:

I'm with you on this, I thought it was a great book and movie, and in response to one of the replies, I feel the lyrics on the album are amazing.

I guess I shouldn't have put that in the original post cause now that's all people see.
Though in honesty, it's kind of one of those "passive concept albums", where you CAN put it in context with the story if you want, but almost everything makes good sense and is relatable outside of the storyline.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-24-2006, 05:37 PM
I guess I shouldn't have put that in the original post cause now that's all people see.

Why? Every time the album is promoted anywhere it's mentioned. Believe me, I already knew about it ;)

ChildrenofSodom
10-25-2006, 03:48 AM
:eyes: It's a book, it's presented as fiction. :eyes:

I'm with Mr. Cheese on this. Album based on The Davinci Code sounds kinda dumb. I'm also not too familiar with Savatage, so I'd rather get material by them instead.


No. Dan Brown ACTUALLY believes in it all. He takes his own conspiracy theories and puts them into his fiction.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-25-2006, 07:55 AM
No. Dan Brown ACTUALLY believes in it all. He takes his own conspiracy theories and puts them into his fiction.
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the conspiracy side tends to get promoted a little too much, and maybe they hint that more is true than what really is, but that's what generates attention and sales.

My problem with the book is that it's so freakin' dry. It's a paint-by-numbers ordeal. Conspiracy, fiction, whatever... it's lame, lame, lame! And writing an album based entirely off of somebody else's book just smacks of a cash-in.

Maiden33
10-25-2006, 09:14 AM
And writing an album based entirely off of somebody else's book just smacks of a cash-in.

I don't agree there. I think that it's perfectly reasonable to see a movie or read a book and be really inspired by it to the point that you want to write about it yourself.
It's not like Circle II Circle had a whole lot of commercial potential that this album was going to make them popular regardless of what they did and I think they know that... so I don't believe it's a "cash in".

EvilCheeseWedge
10-25-2006, 10:16 AM
I don't agree there. I think that it's perfectly reasonable to see a movie or read a book and be really inspired by it to the point that you want to write about it yourself.
It's not like Circle II Circle had a whole lot of commercial potential that this album was going to make them popular regardless of what they did and I think they know that... so I don't believe it's a "cash in".
Well, here's the thing, we're not talking a single song, we're talking an album. Plus we're talking about making an album based off of a book that somebody else wrote a few years ago and turning it into an album the same year a gigantic blockbuster movie is also being released about said book.

That's true, but I think they definitely have tried to use the whole DaVinci Code concept to generate extra sales and attention. Even the title, Burden of Truth, is obviously a thinly veiled reference to the "plot" of DaVinci Code.

It's one thing to write a song about somebody else's work, it's one thing to take your own work and adapt it into an album, but it's a whole 'nother thing to take somebody else's book and write an album off of it. Especially when the book is an uninteresting turd in the first place.

Maybe if Stevens had chosen an interesting, or obscure, or less... let's just say very recent hugely popular book, I'd be more interested.

I'm going to have to cut this short to work on my new album - it's based off of Star Wars :cool:

ADD
10-25-2006, 03:12 PM
Speaking of a band like Circle II Circle as trying to "cash-in" is just hilarious I think :lol:

ADD
10-25-2006, 03:13 PM
No. Dan Brown ACTUALLY believes in it all. He takes his own conspiracy theories and puts them into his fiction.
So why is that a problem?:eyes: You like Operation:Mindcrime dont you?

EvilCheeseWedge
10-25-2006, 04:26 PM
Speaking of a band like Circle II Circle as trying to "cash-in" is just hilarious I think :lol:

Why?

ADD
10-25-2006, 05:37 PM
Why?
Cuz they probably sold a grand total of 10 copies of this new record:party:

Maiden33
10-25-2006, 06:04 PM
Cuz they probably sold a grand total of 10 copies of this new record:party:

Not funny, but true.

At this point I am probably the biggest fan of this album, and I don't even own a physical copy of it. I hate distribution.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-25-2006, 06:46 PM
Cuz they probably sold a grand total of 10 copies of this new record:party:
Wouldn't doing something like this then be a good way to try to increase sales?

Maiden33
10-25-2006, 07:21 PM
Wouldn't doing something like this then be a good way to try to increase sales?

Not really. It's rare that a band could go from cult status at best to being popular by basing their concept album on a popular movie. Unless the band's album is being advertised on the same scale as the book/movie and to the same audience it's not really gonna have an effect. This album has hardly spred the popularity of CIIC... and I really don't think that's what they were after. Savatage or any of the bands within the Savatage "family" have never seemed to be after money, because if they were, they've been doing a HORRIBLE job at it. Believe it or not, it is possible to want to do a concept album based on someone else's book or movie without it being an attempt to gain popularity.

ADD
10-25-2006, 08:14 PM
Wouldn't doing something like this then be a good way to try to increase sales?
In this day and age you think thats really gonna have any effect?:rolleyes: Don't you know that to get popular these days you just turn out some half-assed radio rock album with a shitty Depeche Mode cover on it and have some decent looking girl singing? Oh wait....:tongue:

SomewhereInTime72
10-25-2006, 08:30 PM
In this day and age you think thats really gonna have any effect?:rolleyes: Don't you know that to get popular these days you just turn out some half-assed radio rock album with a shitty Depeche Mode cover on it and have some decent looking girl singing? Oh wait....:tongue:
Increasing sales does not necessarily mean getting popular.

powerslave_85
10-25-2006, 08:49 PM
Increasing sales does not necessarily mean getting popular.
Huh??

EvilCheeseWedge
10-25-2006, 08:50 PM
In this day and age you think thats really gonna have any effect?:rolleyes: Don't you know that to get popular these days you just turn out some half-assed radio rock album with a shitty Depeche Mode cover on it and have some decent looking girl singing? Oh wait....:tongue:
I think it's pretty much a given. Whatever dude, Circle II Circle is half-assed radio rock (direct from an 80's time-warp no less) if I've ever heard half-assed radio rock, so I don't really know what your problem is.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-25-2006, 08:51 PM
Huh??

It's seriously common sense. You can do something that increases your sales, without making you popular.

I could sell 1,000 albums instead of 300 and still not be "popular" - right?

Maiden33
10-26-2006, 04:51 PM
I think it's pretty much a given. Whatever dude, Circle II Circle is half-assed radio rock (direct from an 80's time-warp no less) if I've ever heard half-assed radio rock, so I don't really know what your problem is.

Ummm, Now I can understand someone not liking the band... but what you said seriously makes no sense.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-26-2006, 04:58 PM
Ummm, Now I can understand someone not liking the band... but what you said seriously makes no sense.
I don't dislike them, but what doesn't make sense? It's radio-friendly unoriginal material if I ever heard any before. That doesn't make it bad (same with Lacuna Coil) but it's sure hard to deny...

Maiden33
10-26-2006, 05:04 PM
I don't dislike them, but what doesn't make sense? It's radio-friendly unoriginal material if I ever heard any before. That doesn't make it bad (same with Lacuna Coil) but it's sure hard to deny...

I see what you mean, but I'm just naturally resisting it because of how much I like it.

EvilCheeseWedge
10-26-2006, 05:07 PM
I see what you mean, but I'm just naturally resisting it because of how much I like it.

:D

As soon as I get a chance to hear some Burden of Truth I'll decide whether to pick it up or not. Zakk's a good vocalist. I really hope the 'Tage anniversary stuff Caffery was talking about the other week happens... a show with a lot of old members, a DVD and all that whatnot.