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ChildrenofSodom
01-31-2014, 06:59 PM
Hey guys, I'm writing a paper on metal bands that express political messages. Just want to cover all my bases, and would really appreciate your help.

If a band is in anyway engaged with politics, list them here. I have some obvious ones already: Megadeth, Anthrax, Napalm Death, Lamb of God, Nevermore...

Basically just looking for bands that might sing about political topics, have political images on their album artwork or merchandise, or express political messages in other ways (music videos, compilation albums, magazine interview, etc).

Thanks for your help.

EDIT: I'm submitting to a journal, and would love readers if anyone is interested.

mankvill
01-31-2014, 07:10 PM
Is it strictly limited to just metal bands or can we include hardcore/grind bands too? Because those are everywhere.

Also: post more ya dingus

ChildrenofSodom
01-31-2014, 07:36 PM
Is it strictly limited to just metal bands or can we include hardcore/grind bands too? Because those are everywhere.

Also: post more ya dingus

Hardcore and grind are acceptable, but maybe denote that like this:

Megadeth
Napalm Death (grind)
Pro-Pain (crossover)
Agnostic Front (hardcore)

And I would post more, but grad school sucks time. :bouville:

PVH5150
01-31-2014, 07:41 PM
System of a Derp

mankvill
01-31-2014, 07:46 PM
Sepultura
Liberteer (grind)
Suicidal Tendencies (crossover)
Brutal Truth (grind)
Carcass (later discography)
Rage Against The Machine
Charles Bronson (powerviolence)
ChthoniC (Taiwan focus)
Cryptic Slaughter (crossover)
DRI (crossover)

TheWildAndTheYoung
01-31-2014, 07:53 PM
Wasn't W.A.S.P.'s The Headless Children mostly political based?

Bengals279
01-31-2014, 08:00 PM
Havok is a libertarian metal band. And I know Jeff hanneman and Kerry king once said they listened to rush limbo in an interview. System of a down is very political. Disturbed is occasionally too. A7x also

Natrlhi
01-31-2014, 08:41 PM
Ministry's last three albums before their recent fake retirement were a scathing indictment of GW.

There's a shitload more to list, but that was the first thing that came to mind. I'll try to post more later.

And quit making excuses not to post. Having four kids and a demanding career sucks way more time than grad school, and I still post from time to time around here. :finger:

JRA
01-31-2014, 08:44 PM
Motorhead has been pretty political in a broader sense for the past 25 years or so. Look up the lyrics to their Brave New World.

Slayer, for better or worse (worse IMO), was pretty politically involved after 87.

Gamma Ray's No World Order album is pretty political I'd say.

Sabbath should also be filed under obvious (War Pigs, After Forever, Into The Void, Electric Funeral, Cornucopia).

Manks forgot Terrorizer ;)

Natrlhi
01-31-2014, 08:58 PM
Cattle Decapitation has some pretty strong political and ethical views (obviously).

Death's "Spiritual Healing" was all about some of the major political issues of the day.

Clutch can get fairly political from time to time, although they keep it fairly light.

EDIT:

Gojira are fairly political.

Lots of punk bands fit this description as well, from Dead Kennedys (is there a more opinionated person on this planet than Jello Biafra?) to The Exploited, my favorite hardcore group from back in they heyday of hardcore.

The most politically-charged band I know of is an outfit called Consolidated. They're militantly vegan, lesbian / gay supporting super left wing rappers with an industrial edge to their music. Definitely not metal, but extremely edgy and outspoken as hell. They used to let people get up on the mic after their shows and espouse their views while the audience either cheered wildly or jeered with hate - I suspect many shows ended up in near riots or at least some violence. Never saw them live, but I bet it would've been interesting.

ChildrenofSodom
01-31-2014, 09:37 PM
What about album covers? I can think of Megadeth's stuff, Dying Fetus, Ministry, but not many other political covers come to mind.

Natrlhi
01-31-2014, 09:51 PM
Both S.O.D. and M.O.D. Had politically-oriented album covers.

One of Consolidated's best albums was called "Friendly Fascism" and had an American flag on it.

Several of The Exploited's album covers were political, as I recall.

illuminatus917
01-31-2014, 10:16 PM
Left-wing groups:

Kreator
Sacred Reich
Atrophy
Nuclear Assault

I think Iced Earth is considered conservative.

If you have a friend that knows Russian, have him translate KYPCK lyrics. They sing about the USSR and the Cold War. One of their members used to work in the Finnish Embassy in Russia, I believe. They really know their history.

powerslave_85
02-01-2014, 07:11 AM
What about album covers? I can think of Megadeth's stuff, Dying Fetus, Ministry, but not many other political covers come to mind.
What about the cover of Maiden's "Women In Uniform" single?

AnthG
02-01-2014, 08:38 AM
Rise Against (melodic hardcore/pop punk)

The Agonist's singer is a vegan and super duper animal rights activist, though I don't think a lot of it comes across in her lyrics.

Machine Head has a couple of songs off The Blackening aimed at war, religion, etc. (specifically "Clenching the Fists of Dissent" and "A Farewell to Arms")

DementedX14
02-01-2014, 09:37 AM
Rage Against the Machine. I think they are political.

elturtleboy
02-01-2014, 12:52 PM
Yeah,not as much as Punk. Definitely recent Slayer.

adamclark52
02-01-2014, 02:11 PM
A Canadian punk band called Propaghandi.

ChildrenofSodom
02-04-2014, 12:12 PM
A Canadian punk band called Propaghandi.

Yeah, I'm wrestling with them. I love Supporting Caste, and I always told myself it was on the borderline of metal. But according to Metal-Archives' criteria (http://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules) for metal, Propagandhi don't fit because they don't consistently use metal riffs.

What do you guys think of their rules? Obviously the definition of metal is amorphous, but if you had to draw the line, where would it be?

It baffles me on first blush that BTBAM, Protest the Hero, Converge, and Miss May I are not on metal-archives. Its a shit standard, but they have the biggest database.

AnthG
02-04-2014, 12:18 PM
It seems like a lot of their exclusions have more to do with "I don't like this" than "This isn't metal"

swboyd
02-04-2014, 12:21 PM
Yeah, I'm wrestling with them. I love Supporting Caste, and I always told myself it was on the borderline of metal. But according to Metal-Archives' criteria (http://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules) for metal, Propagandhi don't fit because they don't consistently use metal riffs.

What do you guys think of their rules? Obviously the definition of metal is amorphous, but if you had to draw the line, where would it be?

It baffles me on first blush that BTBAM, Protest the Hero, Converge, and Miss May I are not on metal-archives. Its a shit standard, but they have the biggest database.

Metal Archives rules just reek of elitism and pretentiousness. Their site is a great resource when you're looking up a band you've never heard of or looking for information about a band, but any site that refuses to list BTBAM because they're not metal but still lists Rush is still pretty terrible.

The lines between genres are becoming more and more blurred nowadays. If I had to define a line for metal, it'd have to be at a case by case basis. A band like Propagandhi straddles the line so much between metal, hardcore, and punk sometimes so it's hard to set exact boundaries. Metal Archives certainly makes that a bit harder sometimes...

mankvill
02-04-2014, 01:29 PM
The only band off the top of my head I don't agree with not being allowed into Metal-Archives is BTBAM. Everything else I'm okay with.

John The Drummer
02-04-2014, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=swboyd;557577]Metal Archives rules just reek of elitism and pretentiousness. QUOTE]

The Sports Thread on their forum didn't have a single mention of the Super Bowl in it.... must be too mainstream.

mastodon421
02-04-2014, 04:30 PM
Everyone's going to laugh at this but Job for A Cowboy. Their last couple of records have been heavily political.

treghet
02-08-2014, 09:52 AM
Metal Archives rules just reek of elitism and pretentiousness. Their site is a great resource when you're looking up a band you've never heard of or looking for information about a band, but any site that refuses to list BTBAM because they're not metal but still lists Rush is still pretty terrible.

The lines between genres are becoming more and more blurred nowadays. If I had to define a line for metal, it'd have to be at a case by case basis. A band like Propagandhi straddles the line so much between metal, hardcore, and punk sometimes so it's hard to set exact boundaries. Metal Archives certainly makes that a bit harder sometimes...

It's easy to accuse them of elitism when one band is rejected and another is accepted, but when working on a case by case basis with multiple moderators there will obviously be some inconsistency. On the forum there is a thread regarding band submissions and they give everything a listen and an explanation. Sometimes they will add or remove bands based on the posts there. Of course I don't agree with all of their decisions, but they are pretty fair in their reasoning.

HackedUpForBBQ
02-08-2014, 10:34 AM
Carnivore definitely had some political material. Also, Gwar's War Party album and some of their older stuff

ravenheart
02-08-2014, 12:00 PM
Circle II Circle?

ravenheart
02-09-2014, 08:52 AM
MaYaN.

treghet
02-10-2014, 05:05 AM
Maybe it was too obvious, but I'm surprised Burzum wasn't mentioned immediately. Varg is always very open about his beliefs in nationalism/odalism in his blogs and interviews and was involved with the Heathen Front for a time.

ChildrenofSodom
02-10-2014, 07:20 PM
Maybe it was too obvious, but I'm surprised Burzum wasn't mentioned immediately. Varg is always very open about his beliefs in nationalism/odalism in his blogs and interviews and was involved with the Heathen Front for a time.

But Burzum doesn't really have lyrics that speak directly to political themes...I mean, I guess there's nationalism in there, but its at least veiled in mysticism and what have you.


PS - If anyone feels like they know a lot about either Megadeth, Iced Earth, or All That Remains, please PM me. I want to pick your brain about something. :)

mankvill
02-10-2014, 08:08 PM
It might depend on exactly what, but I could probably talk about Megadave.

ravenheart
02-11-2014, 02:58 AM
I might be able to offer something on Iced Earth.

I'd definitely look into MaYaN's new album as well. It's a bit ham-fisted, but they talk about a lot of current issues. Or try to, as much as Dutchmen entirely detached from the subject can.

ChildrenofSodom
02-11-2014, 02:30 PM
I might be able to offer something on Iced Earth.

I'd definitely look into MaYaN's new album as well. It's a bit ham-fisted, but they talk about a lot of current issues. Or try to, as much as Dutchmen entirely detached from the subject can.

Wow, looks promising. I'll check it out.

I'll hit you and Manks up on facebook. Just want to pick your brain(s) about their careers.

ChildrenofSodom
02-11-2014, 08:47 PM
And no one wants to chat about Phil Labonte? ;)

ChildrenofSodom
02-18-2014, 01:36 PM
I finished my article, if people want to read a draft. :)

ravenheart
02-18-2014, 03:54 PM
I finished my article, if people want to read a draft. :)

Nah, nobody cares ;)

kalfitegrdan
02-19-2014, 12:50 AM
I finished my article, if people want to read a draft. :)

I'd be interested.