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Derelict
01-15-2014, 10:08 AM
The other Iced Earth thread reminded me how much i used to dig these guys, and of this show in particular. Found this on setlist.fm, looks correct.

1.The Star-Spangled Banner
2.Violate
3.Pure Evil
4.Wolf
5.Damien
6.The Hunter
7.Melancholy (Holy Martyr)
8.Jack
9.Slave to the Dark
10.A Question of Heaven
11.My Own Savior
12.Watching Over Me
13.Dracula
14.Prophecy
15.Birth of the Wicked
16.The Coming Curse
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17.Iced Earth

Also saw this tour the night before at the Birch Hill (RIP) in New Jersey, same set but they also did The Suffering Scarred.

As an added bonus, In Flames was the direct support (when they were still good).

In Flames

1.Bullet Ride
2.Embody the Invisible
3.Artifacts of the Black Rain
4.Clayman
5.Behind Space
6.Clad in Shadows
7.Gyroscope
8.Episode 666
9.Only for the Weak
10.Ordinary Story
11.Pinball Map
12.Colony

After the tour, Anders from in flames came out and said what a total asshole Schaffer was, which is truly, truly shocking.

"I have fucking little love for a certain guy in that band," Anders Fridén told Sweden's premiere rock/metal magazine Close-Up for its March issue, referring to Shaffer. "I'm not the kind of person who talks shit about people — but this isn't bullshit, for that matter — [or the kind of person to] expose someone [in the press]. We supported ICED EARTH in the U.S. and did amazing well. We got a really great response and [Jon] — the rest of the band were cool — was upset, I guess. It ended with him calling us 'spoiled European pussies,' saying that I was a fucking rock star and a lot of other things. I'm fucking far from being a rock star, so I didn't feel guilty, but it was weird how he could make us out to be 'spoiled European pussies.' There were lot of complaints [from Jon], and our part of the stage was getting smaller and smaller, even though we'd sold out some of the venues before on our own. I could barely stand by the mic stand, that's how tight it was between the drum set and me. Then [I had issues with some of] his statements, which are [very] pro-America, to say the least. He talked shit about Swedes and Europeans in front of us and the other support act JAG PANZER, whose drummer [Rikard Stjernquist] is of Swedish descent. The drummer said 'What are you saying? I'm half Swedish,' to which [Jon] responded, 'Yeah, but you've lived in America for a long time, so we're not talking about you.' I've gotten along with everyone we've toured with, and I didn't think it was [that bad], even though we had differences of opinion, but [Jon] is the only person on this planet that I can't stand."

sarsip
01-15-2014, 11:23 AM
That was a really good tour.

MPF
01-15-2014, 11:50 AM
I wish I was a fan back then so I could have seen this tour.

Derelict
01-15-2014, 12:02 PM
I wish I was a fan back then so I could have seen this tour.

One of the few advantages to my advanced age is that i saw some great tours/shows.

MPF
01-15-2014, 12:11 PM
One of the few advantages to my advanced age is that i saw some great tours/shows.

My first Real show was 2 years later. Unfortunately is was Summer Sanitarium, and the only reason I could go is because my brother loved Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park.

I wish I could say my first real show was Iced earth In Flames and Jag Panzer, but nope I have to say it was Summer Shititarium.

maidenpriest
01-15-2014, 01:45 PM
I'd pay headlining prices just to see that In Flames set (Clad in Shadows :drool: ) let alone to see both bands...

Blitzkrieg Witchcraft
01-15-2014, 06:46 PM
One of the few advantages to my advanced age is that i saw some great tours/shows.

Yep. :D

First time I saw IE was in '99 with Nevermore opening. Something Wicked tour.

Platinum Maze
01-15-2014, 07:20 PM
Great tour. I saw them 4/10/2002 in NYC and they played Scarred too, as well as Jeckyl & Hyde (before Watching Over Me).

darkguardian50
01-15-2014, 07:55 PM
I saw that tour, pretty sure I it was that setlist, at The Jaxx in Springfield when I was still living in the DC Metro area. Great set, Barlow was so freakin good at that point in time, he was never really the same after he left and came back.

But the part about Jon being an asshole to someone from Europe? Color me surprised...not. I've always felt that Jon came across as kind of a dick, and I know some of that is because you have to be a bit of a dictator as a band leader, but yea, not surprised. Funny that he and Hansi get along so well.

Maiden33
01-15-2014, 09:26 PM
Those comments about Schaffer don't surprise me in the least, and only further confirm things other people have told me about him, including others that have toured with him.

Derelict
01-15-2014, 10:14 PM
As jingoistic as he is, the Star-Spangled Banner into Violate was AWESOME.

ravenheart
01-16-2014, 02:45 AM
I definitely get the impression Jon is absolutely capable of being a dick, but the one time I met him I spent about 45 minutes in his company talking non-stop and he was absolutely awesome. And fuck me can he talk when you get him on a subject he loves.

Litany
01-16-2014, 06:08 PM
Talked to him when they played with Volbeat in July of 2012. Got a picture with him and we talked for about 10 minutes. Absolutely kind to myself and all of the fans nearby, too.

Maiden33
01-17-2014, 08:15 PM
I think there's a pretty huge difference in the way someone is when you meet them as a fan and the way they are as a person behind closed doors and/or the person they are when you have a working relationship with them. I've heard countless stories from countless people with all kinds of relationships to Schaffer - former bandmates, members of fellow touring bands, just other industry people in general, etc... most of the stories all fit into the same frame... but yeah, that doesn't mean he's not a decent person to interview or nice to his fans.

Litany
01-18-2014, 09:10 AM
I think there's a pretty huge difference in the way someone is when you meet them as a fan and the way they are as a person behind closed doors and/or the person they are when you have a working relationship with them. I've heard countless stories from countless people with all kinds of relationships to Schaffer - former bandmates, members of fellow touring bands, just other industry people in general, etc... most of the stories all fit into the same frame... but yeah, that doesn't mean he's not a decent person to interview or nice to his fans.

And it's something too. The creators of these bands, the ones who ARE the band: Mustaine, Schaffer, Schuldiner, Wizcarek (Vader), Holt. They have this persistent vision that isn't always seen eye to eye. And a part of me feels they sometimes HAVE to be this way in order to make the band continue forward in the direction they wish to.

Grayfox
01-19-2014, 01:01 AM
I saw this tour in SF. It's one of the most memorable shows I've ever been to. Both Iced Earth and In Flames were great. Plus, I got to see In Flames before they went to complete shit.

As for Anders' comments, I remember reading about it when it first happened. First of all, I have my doubts about Jon treating them badly because they're from Sweden. I truly believe that is a crock of shit. Why would he talk shit about Europeans? He credits Europe for giving Iced Earth their break. He loves European crowds. One of his best friends is Hansi Kursch...

When I was a member of the now defunct In Flames fan club, Anders would post on the forums occasionally. When Jesper left the band, I made a comment about how "Jesper is In Flames, like Jon Schaffer is Iced Earth." Boy, he did not like that one.