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01-13-2014, 02:20 PM
After being on here for 5 years or so I figured I would do a little countdown for one of my all time favorite bands, Candiria. I think for the most part they are one of the most innovative and overlooked bands in metal from the last 15-20 years. I haven't quite decided if I'm gonna do 20 or 30 songs in my list yet. But I feel like this is a band that alot of you on here need to hear (if you haven't) or revisit (for anybody who hasn't listened to them in awhile).

Candiria is currently in the studio working on their first studio album release in 6 years after breaking up around 2007-2008, only to comeback a few years later announcing on Facebook in December 2010 that they were working on a new album. And finally in 2013 there was finally actual proof that there was actual work being done on a new album.

Candiria cannot really be classified under a single genre. They do a little bit of hardcore, metal, jazz, hip hop/rap, and mathcore. Something else that they have that a majority of metal bands don't have is a black frontman which is definitely not something that a ton of metal bands have, that makes them unusual as compared to most bands in their genre(s) who can growl w/ anybody and who can also rap just as well as any MC's past or present. They have always described their music as "urban fusion". They have been around since 1994 and have toured with several metal heavyweights: Brutual Truth, V.O.D., Killswitchengage (as its spelled on a '00 flyer), Hatebreed (who they were also headlining over), Unearth, Bad Brains, Clutch, Biohazard, Sick Of It All, Bad Brains, Dillinger Escape Plan, Agnostic Front and several more while also playing Hellfest.

I've thought about this for awhile and I actually think I found a band with a similar career arc (albeit on a much much much smaller scale) as far as their music is concerned, that band I would actually use as the comparison would actually be Metallica. Stick w/ me here for a second, obviously their music couldn't be further from alike but the albums they released in the order they did reminds me of them.

Their early stuff (first 2 EP's & their first full length Surrealistic Madness) is more heavy with almost death sounding vocals. This would be what I would probably consider their most raw sounding albums. Just as Kill Em All was also the most raw sounding Metallica has ever sounded (not counting St. Anger, that sounded raw as well, just not the raw I'm using in this context).

Their next 3 albums is what I fell in love with that would be the apex of their career, 1997s Beyond Reasonable Doubt, 1999 Process of Self Devlopment & 2001s 300% Density (sound familiar?). Just as Metallica released Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets & ...And Justice For All that could very easily be the pinnacle of their career as well. They would then release 2002s C.O.M.A. Imprint that was really just an updated version of the Beyond Reasonable Doubt album with a couple of new tracks and a 2nd disc that showcases the bands other projects.

Then they released 2004s What Doesn't Kill You... Unfortunately where this becomes more Metallica like is they were involved in a very severe bus accident when they collided w/ an 18 wheeler whose driver had fallen asleep at the wheel. Luckily nobody in the band was killed, although if you look at the "after" picture of their bus, that was used as the cover to the 2004 album, it's astonishing that nobody lost their life in that crash. I look at 2004s What Doesn't Kill You... album as the Black Album of the Candiria catalog. Even though the best this album did was #47 on the Billboard Independent Album charts, it is still the best selling Candiria album to date. Gone are the odd time signatures, longer songs, jazz interludes and everything else that made them so unique in the late 90s and early 00s. And they replaced that with more verse/chorus/verse, 4 minute songs that alot of their fanbase cried "sellout". No need to go into the parallels of this and the Metallica fanbase after the Black Album. The difference between WDKY & The Black Album is there was still a ton of very good & catchy songs. The songs were still pretty heavy only the difference was they did some of the most catchy chorus' in their entire discography in this album. Its an easier listen than any of the other albums they've made, even though at times I would hear a song and think "is this still them?". This would also be the only time I would get to see them was in 2004 while they were support for (kill me) Kittie and touring w/ 36 Crazyfists & Twelve Tribes. I had never heard of them before and I had just never ever heard music that sounded like this. It was so odd and it just stuck out over everything else that I heard and I instantly fell in love.

They would then run into problems with 2008's Kiss The Lie. They went into the studio and then finished the album, and then after finishing the album, in 2006, founding member Kenneth Schalk quit and then their bass player left at the time as well because Kenneth quit. With no rhythm section to tour with, Type A records refused to release the album for 2 years, holding the album hostage, and the president of the company ending up releasing the not-yet mastered album onto Napster, Emusic, & iTunes w/o knowledge or consent of the band. The album would end up being remastered by John LaMacchia in 2009. This will be my last Metallica compairison I make. I heard this and all I could think was "what in the hell is this? ", this was a huge huge letdown, probably one of the biggest for me. This album felt like an almost straight up rock record and it felt like they really dumbed down their music now. There was little uptempo, it was bland, it was boring, it was nothing at all like I wanted. The compairison I would make is the Load/Re-Load/St. Anger era of Metallica, even though I know that there are still alot of you on here that like atleast the Load/Re-Load on here, who felt so letdown by those albums, and the band itself was crumbling from the inside out which judging by the Some Kind of Monster doc was the absolute truth. Just as 2 band members were for Candiria.

The difference is Candiria still hasn't got a chance to try to redeem themselves like Metallica did w/ Death Magnetic (although a good portion of you on here would challenge the notion that they "redeemed" themselves with that album". Although after hearing an instrumental rough cut of a song they posted on soundcloud a few months back it sounds like they are going back to their 90s/00s sound which I couldn't be happier about.

Some on here will still not care about Candiria after I'm done with this countdown and that's ok, they aren't for everybody. If, after hearing this even 1 person on this board becomes a fan of Candiria then I will consider this a success. More than likely I won't get to start this tonight but I should be able to start this tomorrow at the latest. Hope everyone enjoys.

This is a shorty little instrumental song to give you an idea of their more jazzier side (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxIx6Rmi78c)

300%_Density
01-13-2014, 02:41 PM
I'll split the difference and go with 25 after looking through my list.

300%_Density
01-13-2014, 03:47 PM
These just missed the countdown:

Peel This Strip Here And Fold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRnDSdr9Osg) - Another one of their instrumental jazzy songs

Bring The Pain / Multiple Incisions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7hPFlBeP_A) - Cover of the Method Man song. This is their more hip hop side.

The Sleeper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHNdheze3k) - This is off the Kiss The Lie album, it's actually a really good good song. By most bands it would be a really good song, coming from Candiria, they are capable of so much more. Its a highlight off that album, but its not really a great album.

Purity Condemned (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSzHUaiUoNs) - This is off their 1st EP. This is Candiria at their absolute most raw sounding.

Remove Yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx0TMa3x9qE) - Off the What Doesn't Kill You... album. Its a very slick song. Its not all that technical or heavy but super catchy.

Signs of Discontent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaGjgDI29O4) - Had there been a Top 26 this would have made the list. This is more accurate of the Candiria sound if you compare it to the other songs that just missed the list.

AnataFan4Life
01-14-2014, 10:54 AM
These guys really do have a unique (and awesome) sound. I remember in high school when I first heard "Paradigm Shift" and didn't know what to think of this band, but I eventually grew to like it. Looking forward to your list.

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 10:58 AM
#25 - Work In Progress

Great song off of what I find to be an almost perfect album, 1999's The Process of Self-Development. Their vocalist Carley Coma just has one of the more aggressive approaches to vocals in metal, great screamer but at the same time he raps so quickly during this song as well. Not sure who the guest vocals are around the 5:05 part of the song. I know that there's a live video on YouTube where Jamey Jasta did that part live. Killer song, killer album.

Work In Progress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwSiwQeo7QE)

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 11:16 AM
#24 - Down

This is by far the most commercial sounding song that Candiria has ever done in their history as a band. If this is the first song you ever heard from Candiria w/o hearing any of their older stuff, its not a bad song. It's extremely catchy and it shows even more the kind of range that Carley has a vocalist. I've even heard it used as a bumper coming back from commercial on a couple of ESPN Radio shows. I'm guessing it probably had radio in mind when it was recorded, even though this is head and shoulders better than what was being played on the radio 10 years ago.

Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSCOpZOEDP0)

jhdeity
01-14-2014, 11:19 AM
Cool thread. Never really got into them but liked most of what I heard

Ommie
01-14-2014, 11:42 AM
Now this is a thread I can get behind.

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 11:46 AM
#23 - The Nameless King

This is another one off of the slick What Doesn't Kill You... album. Its again one of their more straightforward songs. Fantastic chorus, yet another great example of the vocal range of Carley Coma. This would have also been well served as a single off this album.

The Nameless King (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPKxYMjedaQ)

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 12:24 PM
#22 - Mental Crossover

This is off the Surrealistic Madness album that was their 1st full length followed up by 3 very amazing albums. The sound of this album is not that great, I always kinda wished they would have remastered this album. Its a good album, its just not easy to listen to. I always thought this song could have been really great, it just feels short and it never really got a chance to take off. Vocally this is the last album that was primarily all harsher vocals compared to their stuff after this.

Mental Crossover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCh7u6G5KXc)

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01-14-2014, 12:37 PM
#21 - Blood

I will continue with the newer Candiria at the end of my countdown. I go through older stuff and re listen and then think I'll put something older next and then I think "is the newer songs I have left better than the older songs" and then I end up w/ another newer song so here we are. This was released as the 1st single of the What Doesn't Kill You... album and even got a little airplay on Headbangers Ball when it was back on MTV2 for a brief time. This was one of the heavier songs that was on this album and it had a little hint of older Candiria with the breakdowns and the riffing.

Blood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUEHgA3aRSg)

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 01:06 PM
#20 - Down To The Last Element

Now we're switching it up a little bit more. This is the hip hop side of Candiria that I love as much as I love the hardcore/mathcore side. This only has Carley doing a verse or 2. I wish I knew who did the other verses on here. A very chill hip hop track. Even people who may not like rap or hip hop still might find this enjoyable. This is probably my favorite original hip hop track they do thats on this countdown (*spoiler alert - there is one more hip hop track that is a cover of a more popular hip hop track*). I would also say this crushes most hip hop that has come out over the last few years.

Down To The Last Element (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgLtTpEYFhg)

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 01:20 PM
#19 - Trinity Denied

If there's one track that probably will stand out from everything else it is w/o a doubt this track. This is off the very first release Candiria had back in 1994, the Subliminal Demo. Alot of this album has what's pretty close to being considered death metal vocals. The first time I ever heard this I thought this was somebody else because it didn't sound like them at all. The music has a little bit of the Candiria that I knew but not a whole lot. Even w/ that its still a really great song and they even used a couple songs off this demo and put it on later releases as remastered versions.

Trinity Denied (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoXBPffixO4&feature=youtu.be)

AnataFan4Life
01-14-2014, 04:02 PM
I wonder what they would have sounded like if they had kept the death metal elements in their music...

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 05:26 PM
I wonder what they would have sounded like if they had kept the death metal elements in their music...

Man that would be tough to mix jazz and death metal. What a sound that would be.

AnataFan4Life
01-14-2014, 05:36 PM
Man that would be tough to mix jazz and death metal. What a sound that would be.

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/1/4/8/1148.jpg

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 05:39 PM
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/1/4/8/1148.jpg

Good point.

Probably should have said death metal/jazz & threw hip hop in that as well.

AnataFan4Life
01-14-2014, 05:56 PM
Good point.

Probably should have said death metal/jazz & threw hip hop in that as well.

Kelly Schafer's vocals near the beginning of "Mother Man" kinda sound like he's rapping :eyes:
I won't derail this any further though :tongue:

300%_Density
01-14-2014, 06:10 PM
Kelly Schafer's vocals near the beginning of "Mother Man" kinda sound like he's rapping :eyes:
I won't derail this any further though :tongue:

I definitely know of Atheist but never took time to listen. This would be good encouragement.

Nater
01-14-2014, 08:13 PM
I originally passed over this because I had never heard of them but a buddy of mine posted a song on facebook and holy shit.

kalfitegrdan
01-14-2014, 09:42 PM
Sorrow C.O.M.A. Imprint ended up on my hard drive a few years ago and I never liked that, but I was just reading a review of their demo that made me really interested in hearing it. Especially knowing what they sound like just ten years later.

I'll have to check out some of these songs when I get home from work.

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 08:46 AM
#18 - Sirens

Yet another newer track but the first and only song off the very rushed 2008 Kiss The Lie album. Had this album been released properly and not having it leaked by the record label president, and had they actually released singles, this song would have been the obvious choice. There's nothing thats all that heavy about this song, its more on the melodic side, but even w/ that it is still a fantastic song. Apparently alot of this album was originally supposed to be for the Spylacopa album that is John & Greg from DEP's side project. Very smooth and somewhat of a chill song.

Sirens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAzes4wrDmc)

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 08:55 AM
#17 - Pull

Boy when I first heard this song it blew me away. My first thought was what in the hell is jazz doing at the beginning of a metal song? And then the other part of the song kicks in to slam you across the face. There are just so many different sounds that go into a song that is not even 4 minutes in length, starts you out w/ jazz, goes into some hardcore, theres a brief electronic part, back into hardcore and then fades out quietly. This is pretty much Candiria when they were at their best. And this is one of their best.

Pull (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roa9yql_d3o)

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 09:02 AM
#16 - Deep Cover

For all the songs that Candiria did that always sounded so serious, here is one that is more fun than anything else. And yes it is the Snoop Dogg & Dr. Dre song they did back in the early 90s. This was released on the Too Legit For The Pit: Hardcore Takes The Rap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Legit_for_the_Pit:_Hardcore_Takes_the_Rap) album. I'll admit, I'm a sucker when a hardcore/metal band does hip hop, especially if I liked the original hip hop song. This stays true to the original version while still doing its own thing all at the same time. If you enjoy covers I'm sure you will enjoy this.

Deep Cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2PmwjNJq-U)

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 09:14 AM
#15 - Primary Obstacle

This song has shown up on 2 different studio albums. It originally was on the Beyond Reasonable Doubt album and then redone on the C.O.M.A. Imprint album as well. I'd have to say I prefer the C.O.M.A. version a little better, it just sounds alot better to me than the original version. This starts out with some slow riffing, then goes into some horns and then with one of my favorite riffs at around the 1:40 period of the song followed by some sick rapping by Carley.

This Is The Beyond Reasonable Doubt Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2mviK9L9ms)
This Is The C.O.M.A. Imprint Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eimPH6M7T7Y)

Curious to see who prefers which version.

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 09:20 AM
#14 - Dead Bury The Dead

This will be the final song that I will be posting that was recorded after 2001. This was on What Doesn't Kill You... and it is (obviously) my favorite song off that album. This song still retains alot of the old Candiria heaviness while still having that (2004 modern) sound that was big around that time. The riffing is heavy, the breakdowns can't help you from moving your head a little bit. All this track is really missing is maybe some sort of jazz passage and this song could have easily been on 2001s 300% Density album. Last new song, countdown will only be even stronger after this.

Dead Bury The Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hixg4sW5htQ)

MetalIsArt
01-15-2014, 10:47 AM
Who?

MPF
01-15-2014, 11:01 AM
Thanks for doing this thread. Candiria helped make me the drummer I am today because of all the new ideas I discovered from the band, and ironically enough Dead Bury the Dead was the first song I heard from the band.

Keep up this awesome thread about one of the most unappreciated bands around.

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 11:23 AM
Who?

All the more reason to go through the list and get a listen. :D

Thanks for doing this thread. Candiria helped make me the drummer I am today because of all the new ideas I discovered from the band, and ironically enough Dead Bury the Dead was the first song I heard from the band.

Keep up this awesome thread about one of the most unappreciated bands around.

Kenneth is just an absolute monster behind the drums. Obviously he's never going to be brought up w/ the Lombardos & Portnoys of the world but he's every bit the talent that they are. It's just impossible to try to compare his drumming vs any of the other drummers that always get brought up as being the "best". I wanted to die when I first heard he was actually playing for Fuel several years ago. I can't imagine how much he had to dumb down his approach from Candiria to play w/ Fuel. Ugghhh.


I'm really happy to hear this thread has went over so well. I honestly didn't know how they would go over or just how many had really heard of them since they haven't even been active in over 10 years.

mankvill
01-15-2014, 11:44 AM
Coheed and Candiria

300%_Density
01-15-2014, 11:55 AM
Coheed and Candiria

You wanna know the funniest thing about this? Years ago when I first heard Candiria I was at Best Buy looking for any album from them. I picked up In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth instead (I was 18 what the hell did I know?) w/o knowing the difference. Even though I still do like that album. That was my introduction to C&C was trying to buy a Candiria album.

300%_Density
01-16-2014, 12:29 PM
#13 - Year One

This has got one of my favorite Candiria riffs starts around the 2:44 mark. This is a little bit more of a straight up hardcore/mathcore type song w/o any type of jazz or hip hop. Again this version was also on Beyond Reasonable Doubt album and redone on C.O.M.A. Imprint. Unfortunately YouTube does not have that version so the only version I can put on here is C.O.M.A. Imprint version.

Year One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF1OEif8S80)

300%_Density
01-16-2014, 12:38 PM
#12 - Divided

Vocally this song starts out fuckin crazy. I just don't know how Carley can vocally do what he does. Its not quite hip hop, its not hardcore, I don't know how to even explain it other than take a listen. 1:00 into a song Candiria pretty much breaks into a mariachi band which is quite the entertaining listen. This also has some of the best basslines they've put into any songs they've done.

Divided (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzgzSYKSUYI)

MPF
03-10-2014, 06:15 PM
Before we hit the top 11 (we will see the top 11 right????) I figured I'd post this here:

http://lambgoat.com/news/22093/Candira-returns-from-six-year-hiatus

300%_Density
03-12-2014, 01:35 PM
Well I've definitely got lazy in getting this done but I've wanted to get started I just had some other stuff going on and that took precedence but I am back now and yes MPF I am so damn excited that a 7" is going to be getting released next month. I'm bummed it's not atleast an EP but it looks like later this year an EP will be released so it's been 6 years since a new release so I guess a few more months won't kill me. That being said on w/ the countdown:

#11 - The Obvious Destination

One of the more varied tempo songs from Candiria I've ever heard. It starts off intense w/ Carley doing more gruff vocals that I absolutely love that he just attacks the second the song kicks in. Then it gets a little different around 2:09 of the song there is a sound on there that sounds like a xylophone. Come to find out it was a marimba that was used in that part. I'm not even ashamed to admit I'd never heard of one but this is what one looks like for those who don't know either.

http://www.davesnetdesigns.com/MarimbaGospelAudioHymnsJukeBox/image_marimba_jom.jpg

I just don't know how being in a metal band you can start writing a song and someone says "ya know this part really would be better w/ a marimba". It just kind of comes out of nowhere as alot of the Candiria songs are.

The Obvious Destination (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-skYE-rw3Y)