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PVH5150
12-17-2013, 03:17 PM
Updated when more are announced.

Jan. 25 - Anaheim, CA (House of Blues) (w/John Corabi)
Mar. 22 - Clear Lake, IA (Surf Ballroom) (w/Stryper)
Mar. 29 - Florence, IN (Belterra Casino)
Apr. 17 - Englewood, NJ (Bergen PAC)
Apr. 18 - North Tonawanda, NY (Riviera Theater)
Apr. 19 - Uncasville, CT (Mohegan Sun Wolf Den)
Apr. 20 - Manchester, NH (Armory Ballroom) (w/Mike Tramp)
Apr. 25 - Jim Thorpe, PA (Penn's Peak)
Apr. 26 - Columbia, MD (M3 Fest)
Jun. 21 - Idaho Falls, ID (Rock The Falls) (w/Kix & Red Dragon Cartel)

mankvill
12-17-2013, 03:36 PM
TATER TOT

John The Drummer
12-17-2013, 03:59 PM
Jan. 3 - Snoqualmie, WA (Snoqualmie Casino)


Ouch.... doin the Casino Route here, eh? Thats kinda sad :(

Steev
12-17-2013, 04:39 PM
Sooooo, how long before the reunion?

John The Drummer
12-17-2013, 08:15 PM
Sooooo, how long before the reunion?

QUICK SOMEONE MAKE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Wrecking Crew
12-18-2013, 09:12 AM
Ouch.... doin the Casino Route here, eh? Thats kinda sad :(

Not quite as sad as playing Idaho Falls though. This may be IF's first concert since the Halford-less Judas Priest went there 15 or so years ago. BIAS NOTE: I hate Idaho Falls.

EvilCheeseWedge
12-18-2013, 09:16 AM
I think the real question is, when can I catch them at my local motorcycle dealership again? :lol:

Derelict
12-18-2013, 09:45 AM
I think the real question is, when can I catch them at my local motorcycle dealership again? :lol:

I think they've been downgraded to used car lots.

Sanitarium78
12-18-2013, 01:00 PM
I'm waiting to see if I can get them for cheap to play in my backyard. That can't be that far off now can it?

Derelict
12-18-2013, 01:01 PM
I'm waiting to see if I can get them for cheap to play in my backyard. That can't be that far off now can it?

I think youre good as long as you make them dinner and provide them with soft drinks.

Maideneer
12-18-2013, 01:04 PM
Manchester, NH? Cool! I might be moving there in the coming year, we'll see.

Travis The Dragon
12-18-2013, 01:37 PM
QUICK SOMEONE MAKE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!! :eek:

I'll get right on it! :lol:

I sure hope we get a MN. date next year!

Also, there are more dates listed here (http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=4729.0) that aren't on the list.

Travis The Dragon
12-20-2013, 06:25 PM
From QR's Facebook:

Hey Florence Indiana, clear March 29th, 2014 on your calendars - we're coming to play for you at Belterra Resort & Casino!! Tickets go on sale January 24th...we'll put up the link as soon as it's available!! Have a great weekend Rychers!!

Travis The Dragon
12-21-2013, 04:05 PM
They sure are making a lot of top album lists!: http://queensryche.freeforums.net/board/13/general-news WOW!

TheDeadPanda
12-21-2013, 06:31 PM
They sure are making a lot of top album lists!: http://queensryche.freeforums.net/board/13/general-news WOW!

I think you're the only one who cares about this band

Steev
12-21-2013, 06:54 PM
I think you're the only one who cares about this band

Record sales seem to dictate that

dcmetal108
12-21-2013, 07:23 PM
I think you're the only one who cares about this band

True. At this point you can pay them and Megadeth to come play in your living room.

Steev
12-21-2013, 07:46 PM
True. At this point you can pay them and Megadeth to come play in your living room.

Fingers crossed they do my local sports bar on 99 cent wing night

MetalIsArt
12-22-2013, 04:26 AM
QUICK SOMEONE MAKE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!! :eek:

OPERATION TROLLCRIME

MetalIsArt
12-22-2013, 04:28 AM
I think youre good as long as you make them dinner and provide them with soft drinks.

Can I bring some Monster drinks, then? :bliss:

Travis The Dragon
12-22-2013, 05:23 PM
I think you're the only one who cares about this band

Tell that to everyone over at the Queensryche forums and the 345 people at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Queensryche-Deluxe/dp/B00CM9JKQM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387761842&sr=8-1&keywords=queensryche).

I don't understand why everyone has this attitude on here. Let's wait and see what happens next year after another album comes out. Then, if they bomb, you can really make fun of them. Personally, I don't see that happening.

ravenheart
12-22-2013, 05:34 PM
345

:eek:

dcmetal108
12-22-2013, 05:41 PM
Tell that to everyone over at the Queensryche forums and the 345 people at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Queensryche-Deluxe/dp/B00CM9JKQM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387761842&sr=8-1&keywords=queensryche).

I don't understand why everyone has this attitude on here. Let's wait and see what happens next year after another album comes out. Then, if they bomb, you can really make fun of them. Personally, I don't see that happening.

:lol: thats not even enough people to sell out the smallest rock club here.

Travis The Dragon
12-22-2013, 06:46 PM
That's 345 people on Amazon total. You all act like QR is playing to 50 people in shit hole clubs that hold 200 or less when they're actually doing quite a bit better than that.

dcmetal108
12-22-2013, 06:58 PM
345 people on Amazon total is a small number for such a big site.

And its not like they are selling out huge ass venues. They are a small club band.

ravenheart
12-22-2013, 07:17 PM
That's 345 people on Amazon total.

345 people nationwide is absolutely nothing. Don't put any stock in that.

Similarly, the opinions of fanboys on a band fan forum mean nothing either.

mankvill
12-22-2013, 07:53 PM
didn't they play a car dealership?

TheDeadPanda
12-22-2013, 10:10 PM
:eyes:Tell that to everyone over at the Queensryche forums and the 345 people at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Queensryche-Deluxe/dp/B00CM9JKQM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387761842&sr=8-1&keywords=queensryche).

I don't understand why everyone has this attitude on here. Let's wait and see what happens next year after another album comes out. Then, if they bomb, you can really make fun of them. Personally, I don't see that happening.

Lol I said it because you were the last one to comment on this thread 3 times in a row over a month. Like you were having conversations with yourself. Sorry to offend you....

MetalIsArt
12-23-2013, 03:44 AM
didn't they play a car dealership?

Probably to promote the new Chrysler models.

ravenheart
12-23-2013, 05:27 AM
didn't they play a car dealership?

Hey, maybe you can get them to come play your apartment building. Do you have a show apartment?

MetalIsArt
12-23-2013, 06:40 AM
I have a loft.

Derelict
12-23-2013, 07:57 AM
QR was setting up in the parking lot when i got to work this morning.

kalfitegrdan
12-23-2013, 08:17 AM
QR was setting up in the parking lot when i got to work this morning.

:lol:

Steev
12-23-2013, 08:25 AM
To put that number in perspective Falling in Reverse drew 1,242 for a headlining show

marker
12-23-2013, 08:42 AM
[QUOTE=fonzbear2000;550498]Tell that to everyone over at the Queensryche forums and the 345 people at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Queensryche-Deluxe/dp/B00CM9JKQM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387761842&sr=8-1&keywords=queensryche).

:drool::lol:

300%_Density
12-23-2013, 09:34 AM
QR isn't losing fans. They are just becoming more selective.

Derelict
12-23-2013, 09:37 AM
15 of the 345 are one or two stars, so they really only have 330 fans on Amazon.

ravenheart
12-23-2013, 10:33 AM
NEW FOR 2014
Selected dates only

My Empty Room: The Queensryche Lounge Tour

Can you guarantee 15 people? Then book Queensryche to play a private show at your home!

Please.

Steev
12-23-2013, 11:43 AM
NEW FOR 2014
Selected dates only

My Empty Room: The Queensryche Lounge Tour

Can you guarantee 15 people? Then book Queensryche to play a private show at your home!

Please.

They promise to never play the new record. Only the ones they did with the guy they claimed was holding them back.

SomewhereInTime72
12-23-2013, 01:03 PM
"My Empty Room"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Travis The Dragon
12-23-2013, 02:31 PM
Seriously, can you all please explain to me why you're making these types of jokes? It doesn't make sense because QR is clearly doing better than the jokes your making would indicate.

TheDeadPanda
12-23-2013, 02:44 PM
Seriously, can you all please explain to me why you're making these types of jokes? It doesn't make sense because QR is clearly doing better than the jokes your making would indicate.

Becauseeee it's funny?

300%_Density
12-23-2013, 02:48 PM
This will be the future of QR:

http://www.jellybeanboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PuppetShowAndSpinalTap01.jpeg

Travis The Dragon
12-23-2013, 02:54 PM
Becauseeee it's funny?

How is it funny if QR is doing BETTER than the jokes indicate?

Sanitarium78
12-23-2013, 03:09 PM
How is it funny if QR is doing BETTER than the jokes indicate?

They really aren't doing that good. They are having a hard time booking venues in North America as evident by the fact that the album came out six months ago and they have less then a dozen venues booked for their "tour".

Now a big reason for this is because the other Ryche came out with their new album and booked their tour first. Obviously, this doesn't help the new Ryche when it comes to finding venues to play. That's where the jokes come in. They are having such a hard time finding venues to play in that we joke about them getting to the point where they'll play anywhere.

Having two Ryche's isn't helping them but neither is blind fanboys who somehow think the new version of the band is doing well.

ravenheart
12-23-2013, 04:08 PM
Seriously, can you all please explain to me why you're making these types of jokes? It doesn't make sense because QR is clearly doing better than the jokes your making would indicate.

Except that they're not and any idiot can see that from the sporadic "tours" with small numbers of dates spread out over the course of several months, and tiny venues - especially compared to what they used to play.

As Sanitarium said, the two bands thing isn't helping, and maybe there's a childish nucleus to the old fanbase that is split in two over the whole thing so each band is playing to half a fanbase or something, but it's really not difficult to see that they're struggling big time.

Steev
12-23-2013, 04:44 PM
Except that they're not and any idiot can see that from the sporadic "tours" with small numbers of dates spread out over the course of several months, and tiny venues - especially compared to what they used to play.

As Sanitarium said, the two bands thing isn't helping, and maybe there's a childish nucleus to the old fanbase that is split in two over the whole thing so each band is playing to half a fanbase or something, but it's really not difficult to see that they're struggling big time.

This basically, although oddly enough the Tate version seems to be doing more festivals overseas and has played more major markets in the US.

ravenheart
12-23-2013, 05:37 PM
This basically, although oddly enough the Tate version seems to be doing more festivals overseas and has played more major markets in the US.

The Tate version hasn't played at all in Europe since the split.

Travis The Dragon
12-23-2013, 05:49 PM
True they're not as popular as they once were, but they're not exactly playing super small clubs that hold under 200. The same holds true for the Scorpions. They're not nearly as big as they were in the 80's either. I agree that I don't like the way they're booking shows right now with sporadic shows here and there. One possible reason is that when tatertot booked his most recent tour, he booked a lot of places that QR should be in and they might be worried about playing the same places after tatertot overplaying some of those markets and ruining their reputation. Ya ya, make all the jokes you want. "What reputation". Har har har. Once the trial for the rights to the name takes place at the end of January and all of that is sorted out(which I will be starting a new thread about once a decision is made just so you have a heads up), I'm sure we'll see some better tour plans take place. I'm just glad and thankful QR is even doing as well as they are. It could be much worse. It tatertot was still with them, they would be playing in clubs of 200 and drawing less than half of that.

Sanitarium78
12-23-2013, 06:30 PM
True they're not as popular as they once were, but they're not exactly playing super small clubs that hold under 200. The same holds true for the Scorpions. They're not nearly as big as they were in the 80's either. I agree that I don't like the way they're booking shows right now with sporadic shows here and there. One possible reason is that when tatertot booked his most recent tour, he booked a lot of places that QR should be in and they might be worried about playing the same places after tatertot overplaying some of those markets and ruining their reputation. Ya ya, make all the jokes you want. "What reputation". Har har har. Once the trial for the rights to the name takes place at the end of January and all of that is sorted out(which I will be starting a new thread about once a decision is made just so you have a heads up), I'm sure we'll see some better tour plans take place. I'm just glad and thankful QR is even doing as well as they are. It could be much worse. It tatertot was still with them, they would be playing in clubs of 200 and drawing less than half of that.

Tate doesn't book the tours, most bands have management that takes care of that stuff. So, he didn't purposely book certain venues so the LaTorre Ryche wouldn't get them. Tate's Ryche just got the venues because their album was released first. If the other version had got their album out first things may have been the other way around.

The new version of the band is just as much part of the problem as Tate's is. First of all, they walk out on Tate and want to take the band name with them. Then instead of starting over with LaTorre and renaming the band something else, they decided to keep the name Queensryche which is causing all sorts of confusion. You can't have two different versions of the same band. The new Ryche is screwing themselves over in a lot of ways because they didn't change their name. True, they may have to start over at the bottom by creating a new band but would it really be that much worse then where they are now? The whole name controversy has turned the band into a bigger joke than anything Tate did to damage them over the last decade.

marker
12-23-2013, 06:35 PM
^ I hate to nitpick Fonz, but please don't compare them to Scorpions, I think that's the 2nd time you did that. It's really disrespectful to Scorpions to think they're anything close to QR.
Also, you say that they would draw even less with tatertot still in the band? I don't see how that could be.

dcmetal108
12-23-2013, 06:49 PM
The last time Scorpions played here they played a huge outdoor amphitheater.

I think the last time QR played here they played a sports bar.

ravenheart
12-23-2013, 06:56 PM
Let's not forget, when they first recruited La Torre, they DID change their name, then went back to using Queensryche when they realised starting again from scratch would be hard work.

Sanitarium78
12-23-2013, 06:59 PM
Yeah, Scorpions don't have the following they used to, but they can still probably draw a few thousand people to each show they play. They have enough big hits that they can still pull in a decent crowd.

Travis The Dragon
12-23-2013, 08:19 PM
Tate doesn't book the tours, most bands have management that takes care of that stuff. So, he didn't purposely book certain venues so the LaTorre Ryche wouldn't get them. Tate's Ryche just got the venues because their album was released first. If the other version had got their album out first things may have been the other way around.

The new version of the band is just as much part of the problem as Tate's is. First of all, they walk out on Tate and want to take the band name with them. Then instead of starting over with LaTorre and renaming the band something else, they decided to keep the name Queensryche which is causing all sorts of confusion. You can't have two different versions of the same band. The new Ryche is screwing themselves over in a lot of ways because they didn't change their name. True, they may have to start over at the bottom by creating a new band but would it really be that much worse then where they are now? The whole name controversy has turned the band into a bigger joke than anything Tate did to damage them over the last decade.

They didn't walk out on tatertot. They fired him and for very good reasons. They tried renaming the band Rising West, but figured it was best to keep the QR name since that would make starting over a bit easier. It's not causing too much confusion since QR's new album sold 13,500 copies in the first week and tatertots only sold 5,500. That means that most people know whose version is which. QR is doing much better in ticket sales in the venues they are playing as compared to tatertot as well. So, I don't think they screwed themselves over by that much. They're also betting on that they'll get to keep the name to themselves after the trial. The only joke I see is tatertot and his comedy act very badly attempting to do Mindcrime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLpZ2xmQpk) as a cash grab.

Steev
12-23-2013, 08:52 PM
The Tate version hasn't played at all in Europe since the split.

Maybe I'm thinking of South America

Steev
12-23-2013, 08:57 PM
Scorpions did an ampitheater in Philly that gets plenty of big names, same with the NJ area. The non Tate QR does Pikes Peaked wherever the fuck that is. Tate did Philly with his version earlier this year and did the same venue QR played since the mid 2000's. Keeping in mind he did a solo show at a smaller venue months earlier(which the promotors fucked up royally, the band took a pay cut so it wouldn't get cancelled). So that clears that.


Also the Tate version seems to be getting bigger names supporting their version. Alice Cooper, Sevendust, Disturbed, etc.

John The Drummer
12-23-2013, 09:17 PM
A Queensryche thread turning into a debate!? NO WAI DIS NEVUR HAPPNS UN HE-UR!!!

IrritatedTrout
12-23-2013, 09:19 PM
You're all missing the biggest punchline of all: the fact that people think Queensryche has ever been good. :lol:

kalfitegrdan
12-23-2013, 11:03 PM
Seriously, can you all please explain to me why you're making these types of jokes? It doesn't make sense because QR is clearly doing better than the jokes your making would indicate.

I don't think you quite understand how jokes work.

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 02:34 AM
tatertot

Are we still doing this?

Undermining every point you make with childish idiocy isn't helping you any.

rjturtle9
12-24-2013, 02:36 AM
There's a lot of Queensryche hate in this thread. Ehh, I saw this version last time they were here and they were amazing! One of the best shows of the 2012 for sure, and I can't wait for January 25th to see them again.

Coma323
12-24-2013, 02:42 AM
Yeah I haven't heard the new album (actually I've heard nothing past Empire...) but I also saw this version last March and enjoyed them. The only time I saw them prior was 2011 and thought this was better since I knew most of the songs.

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 02:44 AM
There's a lot of Queensryche hate in this thread.

That's the thing, it's not hate, it's just realism. Being a fan of a band doesn't mean being blind to their problems, or being irrationally biased.

I saw them this year too, and they were fantastic. I also like their album. I also like Tate's album (more, in fact), and will definitely see the Tate version when it eventually tours Europe.

Steev
12-24-2013, 04:17 AM
I almost saw the Tate version in May but had to work, I did see him solo last year(with 2 or 3 of the guys now in QR) and it was a good show

MetalIsArt
12-24-2013, 05:07 AM
Next year: QUEENSRYCHE REUNION with three sold out dates at madison square garden.

MetalIsArt
12-24-2013, 05:08 AM
Scorpions did an ampitheater in Philly that gets plenty of big names, same with the NJ area. The non Tate QR does Pikes Peaked wherever the fuck that is. Tate did Philly with his version earlier this year and did the same venue QR played since the mid 2000's. Keeping in mind he did a solo show at a smaller venue months earlier(which the promotors fucked up royally, the band took a pay cut so it wouldn't get cancelled). So that clears that.


Also the Tate version seems to be getting bigger names supporting their version. Alice Cooper, Sevendust, Disturbed, etc.

I like Scorpions, but not their latest Unplugged stuff. But they were always bigger than Queensryche.

300%_Density
12-24-2013, 06:32 AM
Next year: QUEENSRYCHE REUNION with three sold out dates at madison square garden.

Parking will tough to come by. I'm assuming you mean they are playing MSG parking lot?

MetalIsArt
12-24-2013, 06:43 AM
Parking will tough to come by. I'm assuming you mean they are playing MSG parking lot?

Yeah, probably.

anomynous
12-24-2013, 07:56 AM
Queensryche should do a tour with Quiet Riot featuring Jizzy Pearl.









It would sell out bathrooms everywhere.

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 08:24 AM
Queensryche should do a tour with Quiet Riot featuring Jizzy Pearl.

Hilariously, he's dissolved Love/Hate to focus on that.

Don't blame him, based on the shitty EP they're releasing in January.

300%_Density
12-24-2013, 11:23 AM
I just have a hard time calling any grown man Jizzy, I just don't know what my hang up is.

Maideneer
12-24-2013, 01:35 PM
I just have a hard time calling any grown man Jizzy, I just don't know what my hang up is.

Would a non-grown man make it any easier for you?

Travis The Dragon
12-24-2013, 01:42 PM
Yes, this band is struggling a bit now, but they're not doing as bad as all the jokes indicate and I think they're only going to get more popular from hear on end. Will they ever be as big as they were in the Empire days. I don't think there's a chance in hell of that, but after a couple more album releases, I do think they could get to the point where they're playing to crowds of at least 3,000-4,000. I'm going to predict that their next album will sell at least 20,000 copies in the first week and they'll actually book a real tour of 30-40 cities and play to crowds of at least 2,000. Ya, I know it's not much compared to what they once were, but it's the way things are sadly.

That's the thing, it's not hate, it's just realism. Being a fan of a band doesn't mean being blind to their problems, or being irrationally biased.

I saw them this year too, and they were fantastic. I also like their album. I also like Tate's album (more, in fact), and will definitely see the Tate version when it eventually tours Europe.

After hearing how bad this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLpZ2xmQpk) sounds, how can you even think about going to that?

Yeah I haven't heard the new album (actually I've heard nothing past Empire...) but I also saw this version last March and enjoyed them. The only time I saw them prior was 2011 and thought this was better since I knew most of the songs.
You should definitely check out the new album as well as Promised Land. You can stream all the songs on youtube.

Steev
12-24-2013, 04:06 PM
Delusional much? Seriously the album was a flop

300%_Density
12-24-2013, 04:54 PM
Would a non-grown man make it any easier for you?

I think this now been flagged by the FBI. :D

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 05:28 PM
I just have a hard time calling any grown man Jizzy, I just don't know what my hang up is.

Then you'll really have a problem with ex-Prodigy guitarist, and founder of The More I See, Gizz Butt.

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 05:30 PM
After hearing how bad this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLpZ2xmQpk) sounds, how can you even think about going to that?

South American TV fucks up the sound of every band they ever screen. I've seen recordings from Brazilian and Argentinian broadcasts of bands which are consistently flawless live sound like boiled crap.

So I'm taking my experience of seeing Ryche with Geoff live several times over that. What're you basing your opinion on?

from hear on end

What does this mean?

Steev
12-24-2013, 05:52 PM
South American TV fucks up the sound of every band they ever screen. I've seen recordings from Brazilian and Argentinian broadcasts of bands which are consistently flawless live sound like boiled crap.

So I'm taking my experience of seeing Ryche with Geoff live several times over that. What're you basing your opinion on?



What does this mean?

I saw a couple different performances and the mix was bad all around

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 05:56 PM
I saw a couple different performances and the mix was bad all around

From the same festival, you mean? Or different shows on the Tate QR tour?

Travis The Dragon
12-24-2013, 05:56 PM
South American TV fucks up the sound of every band they ever screen. I've seen recordings from Brazilian and Argentinian broadcasts of bands which are consistently flawless live sound like boiled crap.

So I'm taking my experience of seeing Ryche with Geoff live several times over that. What're you basing your opinion on?



What does this mean?

I'm basing it on how horrible his singing is and that he can't hit notes or has to go an octave lower and that the band can't play the solos correctly.

Oops, that should have been from here on end. :lol:

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 06:00 PM
I'm basing it on how horrible his singing is and that he can't hit notes or has to go an octave lower.

From how horrible his singing on badly mixed broadcasts and YouTube videos is? And how every singer his age not called Dio has to sing an octave lower? Geoff's 54 and has been singing professionally for 32 years, same as loads of other guys, who I'm sure you listen to. Who, of the same age and longevity, do you think sounds good now? Serious question, not mocking.

Oops, that should have been from here on end. :lol:

No, it should have been "from here on out".

Travis The Dragon
12-24-2013, 06:04 PM
Bruce Dickinson and Klause Mein.

The reason Tate's voice isn't that good anymore is from heavy smoking. He should have stopped long ago and gotten a vocal coach to help get his vocals improved.

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 06:05 PM
Bruce Dickinson and Klause Mein.

Both of which sing lower and with less power than they used to. And when they don't, their voices crack. They are, in fact, held in reverence by young rock singers for how they've modified their voices as the years have gone by to make sure they still sound good, compared to people like Joe Elliot and David Coverdale, who refuse to, or can't, understand the effects of age.

Have you seen Geoff live?

Travis The Dragon
12-24-2013, 06:08 PM
They still sound a hell of a lot better than Tate. It's too bad he couldn't stop smoking which is what really damaged his voice.

I saw QR in 2005 when they did all of Mindcrime and he would either go an octave lower or have the audience sing high parts.

ravenheart
12-24-2013, 06:19 PM
They still sound a hell of a lot better than Tate. It's too bad he couldn't stop smoking which is what really damaged his voice.

Different voices though. Geoff's, as it was in the '80s, was unmaintainable. There was absolutely no way his voice was going to stay the same for 30+ years. None at all. Sure the smoking doubtless didn't help, but his voice was so "out there" to begin with, it was always doomed. I guarantee you Todd will not sound as good as he does now when he's another 20+ years older.

I saw QR in 2005 when they did all of Mindcrime and he would either go an octave lower or have the audience sing high parts.

Thing is, Geoff is doing with his voice what everyone else needs to do at that age, and as far as I've ever seen he's doing it fine. I've seen QR with Geoff six times from 2005 to 2011, and my problem with them has never been how Geoff has sounded, but usually with what they've played. On the Mindcrime tour they were fantastic. On the next two tours, not so much because the next two albums were fucking awful.

I have a lot of other problems with Geoff, most of which stem from him being an asshole, but I've never seem him perform badly in six attempts, and I fully appreciate what he tries to do musically. The fact that it's different from what Queensryche are "supposed" to be doing doesn't bother me. 'Tribe', 'Kings And Thieves', and 'Frequency Unknown' are all great rock albums in my eyes. They're not Queensryche albums, but having the wrong name on the cover doesn't make them bad albums by default.

Steev
12-24-2013, 07:13 PM
From the same festival, you mean? Or different shows on the Tate QR tour?

Same festival, Sepultura performed with KoRn and the sound was dreadful

Steev
12-24-2013, 07:14 PM
Different voices though. Geoff's, as it was in the '80s, was unmaintainable. There was absolutely no way his voice was going to stay the same for 30+ years. None at all. Sure the smoking doubtless didn't help, but his voice was so "out there" to begin with, it was always doomed. I guarantee you Todd will not sound as good as he does now when he's another 20+ years older.



Thing is, Geoff is doing with his voice what everyone else needs to do at that age, and as far as I've ever seen he's doing it fine. I've seen QR with Geoff six times from 2005 to 2011, and my problem with them has never been how Geoff has sounded, but usually with what they've played. On the Mindcrime tour they were fantastic. On the next two tours, not so much because the next two albums were fucking awful.

I have a lot of other problems with Geoff, most of which stem from him being an asshole, but I've never seem him perform badly in six attempts, and I fully appreciate what he tries to do musically. The fact that it's different from what Queensryche are "supposed" to be doing doesn't bother me. 'Tribe', 'Kings And Thieves', and 'Frequency Unknown' are all great rock albums in my eyes. They're not Queensryche albums, but having the wrong name on the cover doesn't make them bad albums by default.




When he did the solo show in Philly he played over 30 songs and actually sounded great

Travis The Dragon
12-24-2013, 07:16 PM
Well, I've watched enough youtube vids of his recent Tate Mindcrime tour and it all sure sounds pretty bad to me. I can't believe it would sound that much better actually being there and hearing it. I think his vocals are about 30-40% of what they were when he was at his best while Klause and Bruce's sound like they're currently at about 80-90%. Then again, those 2 didn't smoke and if Tate hadn't smoked, his vocals would be much better than they are now. Same with Todd. As long as he never takes up smoking, his voice will still sound better in 20 years than Tate's does now. So, it really is the smoking that hurt Tate's vocals. Also, Tate's band has to down tune their instruments to match his vocals. I don't hear Maiden or Scorpions doing that. As far as Kings And Thieves and FU go, compared to some of the very best rock albums that are out there, I don't think they're very good. And the best songs on Tribe are the ones that Chris DeGarmo helped write. However, most of this can't really be controlled. I agree with you that it was mainly Tate's attitude over the years and that's what made me lose a HUGE amount of respect for him. In fact, I have literally NO respect left for him. As you've probably figured out, I'm pretty much with the "fanboys" of the QR forums and I think it's pretty obvious that we'll have to agree to disagree on some of this.

PVH5150
12-24-2013, 11:01 PM
Who, of the same age and longevity, do you think sounds good now? Serious question, not mocking.

Dave Meniketti
Derek St. Holmes
Jack Russell

MetalIsArt
12-25-2013, 01:54 AM
Same festival, Sepultura performed with KoRn and the sound was dreadful

Well, that's the punishment you get for refusing to stop this "we can do it without Max" bullcrap.

MetalIsArt
12-25-2013, 01:56 AM
Well, I've watched enough youtube vids of his recent Tate Mindcrime tour and it all sure sounds pretty bad to me. I can't believe it would sound that much better actually being there and hearing it. I think his vocals are about 30-40% of what they were when he was at his best while Klause and Bruce's sound like they're currently at about 80-90%. Then again, those 2 didn't smoke and if Tate hadn't smoked, his vocals would be much better than they are now. Same with Todd. As long as he never takes up smoking, his voice will still sound better in 20 years than Tate's does now. So, it really is the smoking that hurt Tate's vocals. Also, Tate's band has to down tune their instruments to match his vocals. I don't hear Maiden or Scorpions doing that. As far as Kings And Thieves and FU go, compared to some of the very best rock albums that are out there, I don't think they're very good. And the best songs on Tribe are the ones that Chris DeGarmo helped write. However, most of this can't really be controlled. I agree with you that it was mainly Tate's attitude over the years and that's what made me lose a HUGE amount of respect for him. In fact, I have literally NO respect left for him. As you've probably figured out, I'm pretty much with the "fanboys" of the QR forums and I think it's pretty obvious that we'll have to agree to disagree on some of this.

Dude, you just never give up do ya? I read a lot about their troubles, and I realized that Tate is an asshole. Maybe he drinks too much of his own wine?

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 02:47 AM
Same festival, Sepultura performed with KoRn and the sound was dreadful

Cool. That's what I mean, those stations some how fuck everything up.

When he did the solo show in Philly he played over 30 songs and actually sounded great

Yeah, but does he sound as good on YouTube?

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 02:50 AM
Dude, you just never give up do ya?

Definition of a fanboy. Doesn't stop arguing even without logic or valid reasoning, can't see the other side, and can't think objectively.

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 02:51 AM
Dave Meniketti
Derek St. Holmes
Jack Russell

I'll give you Meniketti and maybe Russell, but not St. Holmes.

MetalIsArt
12-25-2013, 03:28 AM
I'll give you Meniketti and maybe Russell, but not St. Holmes.

The dude who once made an album with Brad Whitford? ;)

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 04:06 AM
The dude who once made an album with Brad Whitford? ;)

That's the guy. Wish I could get that album.

Steev
12-25-2013, 06:13 AM
Cool. That's what I mean, those stations some how fuck everything up.



Yeah, but does he sound as good on YouTube?

Yeah that festival sounded cool but the sound was bad


As for Tate all I know is he played to like 30 people and took a pay cut so it wouldn't get cancelled.

Steev
12-25-2013, 06:22 AM
Well, that's the punishment you get for refusing to stop this "we can do it without Max" bullcrap.

Actually right now it seems like they're doing better than Max

MetalIsArt
12-25-2013, 10:24 AM
That's the guy. Wish I could get that album.

Agreed.

Travis The Dragon
12-25-2013, 01:35 PM
Dude, you just never give up do ya? I read a lot about their troubles, and I realized that Tate is an asshole. Maybe he drinks too much of his own wine?
So, to some extent, you're agreeing with me?
Definition of a fanboy. Doesn't stop arguing even without logic or valid reasoning, can't see the other side, and can't think objectively.
Actually, it's his drinking that a lot of the members on the QR forums give Tate a hard time for and joke about. It's not that I don't see valid reasoning. I see the reality of the way things currently are.

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 01:56 PM
I see the reality of the way things currently are.

Doesn't sound like you do so far...

Travis The Dragon
12-25-2013, 02:30 PM
The reality of the way things currently are is that Tate can no longer sing nearly as well as he used to and is also getting less and less popular while QR is slowly getting more popular. Dedicated To Chaos sold 8,000 copies in the first week and the new self titled sold 13,000 while FU only sold 5,000. And the other reality is that because Tate has become such an asshole like you even pointed out, he has lost a huge amount of respect from many QR fans including myself.

Steev
12-25-2013, 02:47 PM
The reality of the way things currently are is that Tate can no longer sing nearly as well as he used to and is also getting less and less popular while QR is slowly getting more popular. Dedicated To Chaos sold 8,000 copies in the first week and the new self titled sold 13,000 while FU only sold 5,000. And the other reality is that because Tate has become such an asshole like you even pointed out, he has lost a huge amount of respect from many QR fans including myself.

But the La Torre version is playing bars and casinos while the Tate version is doing the usual clubs and getting support from bigger bands.

Travis The Dragon
12-25-2013, 04:01 PM
But how well are Tate's shows selling as compared to Todd's? It's actual ticket and record sales that tell who's really more popular. And if Tate wasn't doing Mindcrime, he'd be doing even worse.

IrritatedTrout
12-25-2013, 04:07 PM
6 pages for 9 dates. :lol:

TheDeadPanda
12-25-2013, 04:20 PM
But how well are Tate's shows selling as compared to Todd's? It's actual ticket and record sales that tell who's really more popular. And if Tate wasn't doing Mindcrime, he'd be doing even worse.

Why does it bother you so much to defend one version over the other? The only reason anyone is responding is because you're so obviously butt hurt that no one agrees with you lol

anomynous
12-25-2013, 04:26 PM
Has anybody given a fuck about Queensryche in the past 20 years?




No.

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 05:54 PM
Has anybody given a fuck about Queensryche in the past 20 years?

No.

Yes, absolutely. Don't be ridiculous for the sake of making of a point.

Steev
12-25-2013, 05:57 PM
Yes, absolutely. Don't be ridiculous for the sake of making of a point.

Yeah I like them and never really listened to them until they opened for Priest in 2005

Travis The Dragon
12-25-2013, 06:12 PM
You all started it by making all those jokes and then I asked for a better understanding of why you were making them. And now that they have a new singer, people are actually starting to give a fuck about them again.

1. How do you think they went from selling 8,000 copies of Dedicated To Chaos to selling 13,000 of the new album? And FU, which came out before the new album only sold 5,000.

2. And what about the fact that the new album has an average rating of 4.5 stars on Amazon while DTC and FU have only 2.5?

3. Also, look at the comments on Blabbermouth about Tate compared to QR. Tate is 95% negative and QR is 95% positive.

Anyway, I'll book QR in my back yard for a show next year and invite all of you for free. :lol:

ravenheart
12-25-2013, 06:14 PM
You all started it

look at the comments on Blabbermouth

:lol: :lol: :lol:

IrritatedTrout
12-25-2013, 08:34 PM
1. How do you think they went from selling 8,000 copies of Dedicated To Chaos to selling 13,000 of the new album? And FU, which came out before the new album only sold 5,000.

In his defense, he does have something of a point here. I'd have to find the Blabbermouth article but QR album sales had been dropping by 50% every album following either Tribe or Mindcrime II. With such a terrible track record, bucking the trend is somewhat surprising I suppose.

Derelict
12-26-2013, 09:02 AM
1. How do you think they went from selling 8,000 copies of Dedicated To Chaos to selling 13,000 of the new album? And FU, which came out before the new album only sold 5,000.


Because you bought 7,000 copies?

MetalIsArt
12-26-2013, 10:38 AM
Because you bought 7,000 copies?

He even rented a house to stock them. As a sign of respect, the band has made it happen that he can now have free ribbs whenever Queensyche plays the local bar in his town.

John The Drummer
12-26-2013, 01:06 PM
th1s thr3d i5 t3h lu1z

Travis The Dragon
12-26-2013, 02:20 PM
In his defense, he does have something of a point here. I'd have to find the Blabbermouth article but QR album sales had been dropping by 50% every album following either Tribe or Mindcrime II. With such a terrible track record, bucking the trend is somewhat surprising I suppose.
Thank you IT. And it's not surprising since they got rid of what was causing their declining record sales. The same goes with their album getting rated higher on Amazing than DTC and FU.

He even rented a house to stock them. As a sign of respect, the band has made it happen that he can now have free ribbs whenever Queensyche plays the local bar in his town.
Ribs rule! :lol:

Travis The Dragon
12-26-2013, 03:20 PM
Here (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/todd-la-torre-fronted-version-of-queensr-che-self-titled-album-cracks-u-s-top/) is that article.

dcmetal108
12-26-2013, 09:08 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe you run the QR forum and own all the accounts.

maidenpriest
12-26-2013, 11:06 PM
Just discovered the amount of ridiculousness on this page, must say it made some great entertainment. Lol

Onioner
12-27-2013, 02:19 AM
I can't believe you guys don't see it. I mean, it all makes sense...

fonz is Todd LaTorre.

IrritatedTrout
12-27-2013, 04:13 AM
:lol:

ravenheart
12-27-2013, 05:00 AM
fonz is Todd LaTorre.

Now you come to mention it, I've never seen them in the same room at the same time... :eyes:

kalfitegrdan
12-27-2013, 05:59 AM
:LOLFC:

Derelict
12-27-2013, 08:13 AM
I can't believe you guys don't see it. I mean, it all makes sense...

fonz is Todd LaTorre.

mind = blown

MetalIsArt
12-27-2013, 09:38 AM
Now you come to mention it, I've never seen them in the same room at the same time... :eyes:

Jim Henson would be ashamed.

Travis The Dragon
12-27-2013, 02:32 PM
Actually, I'm Tate's secret evil brother.

http://i.imgur.com/sttlh9z.jpg

gilpdawg
12-28-2013, 12:25 AM
I can't believe you guys don't see it. I mean, it all makes sense...

fonz is Todd LaTorre.
God dammit Todd!

MetalIsArt
01-03-2014, 06:51 AM
So, any news?

ravenheart
01-03-2014, 07:02 AM
So, any news?

Think about it. If there were, there'd be a new thread.

MetalIsArt
01-03-2014, 07:30 AM
Think about it. If there were, there'd be a new thread.

*smokes cigar*

Ja :allan:

Travis The Dragon
01-03-2014, 02:27 PM
Like I said, when a decision is made on the upcoming court case over the rights to the name, I'll be starting a new thread on that. And when enough info is known on the new album of which they have started a bit of writing on, I'll start a thread for that. But don't worry! I won't start a new thread every single time there's an update to it like I did before. I did go quite overboard on that! :lol:

anomynous
01-09-2014, 08:36 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-former-bandmates-involved-in-settlement-talks-over-rights-to-queensryche-name/


Possible settlement.









Stay tuned for updates. Back to you Fonz.

SomewhereInTime72
01-10-2014, 01:38 AM
About time. :eyes::hmm: :zzz:

ravenheart
01-10-2014, 02:26 AM
Sounds to me like the old band are going to pay Tate off.

John The Drummer
01-10-2014, 12:56 PM
we just need an "Official Queensrchye Thread" thread and call it a day.

Travis The Dragon
01-10-2014, 03:46 PM
I'd rather a settlement be made instead of dragging all of this through court.

dcmetal108
01-10-2014, 06:52 PM
I'd rather a settlement be made instead of dragging all of this through court.

But then what would you talk about?

SomewhereInTime72
01-10-2014, 09:26 PM
:lol: :lol:

Travis The Dragon
01-10-2014, 09:51 PM
But then what would you talk about?

They have started writing new music. ;) :tongue:

dcmetal108
01-10-2014, 10:12 PM
They have started writing new music. ;) :tongue:

Well we need a thread for every song idea, every song name, the cd name, release date, copies sold, whose making the cd, the label, tour dates, new tour dates, whose opening for them, ideal setlist, real setlist, cd reviews, etc.

MetalIsArt
01-11-2014, 04:53 AM
Well we need a thread for every song idea, every song name, the cd name, release date, copies sold, whose making the cd, the label, tour dates, new tour dates, whose opening for them, ideal setlist, real setlist, cd reviews, etc.

Spot on.

We'll collect it all and make a book: Queensr che - The Drama Queen Years.

EvilCheeseWedge
01-13-2014, 10:56 AM
Spot on.

We'll collect it all and make a book: Queensr che - The Drama Queen Years.

Queensr che - The Drama Queen čears.

There we go ;)

Travis The Dragon
01-14-2014, 04:09 PM
A bit of an update I guess: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tate-is-waiting-for-the-paperwork-to-be-dry-on-settlement-over-rights-to-queensryche-name/

PVH5150
01-14-2014, 04:16 PM
Who the hell are you and where is Fonzy?

Travis The Dragon
01-14-2014, 08:22 PM
I'm tatertot's secret evil brother and I'm holding Fonz prisoner. :tongue:

marker
01-15-2014, 10:39 AM
I got an interesting email from Livenation today. They have a buy 1 get 3 free special. It's for two shows coming up at the HOB Anaheim. The shows are Queensryche and 3 Doors Down acoustic. That's not a typo, never heard of 1 for 3, actually don't remember seeing a buy 1 get 2 free even. :eek: The QR show is on a Saturday and they still have to resort to this.


Just joking, buy 3 get 1 free.

ravenheart
01-28-2014, 03:38 AM
New date confirmed for North Tonawanda (where?) at the Riviera Theater.

Also, :lol: at their placement on Sweden Rock Festival. Last time: main stage on one of the main days. This time: side stage on the warm-up day.

Probably means the Salt Lake City Harley Davidson show won't happen... but then, they still claim to be playing in France one day, and at Rock The Falls in Idaho the next, so who knows.

Sanitarium78
01-28-2014, 06:23 AM
New date confirmed for North Tonawanda (where?) at the Riviera Theater.


North Tonawanda is a small city just north of Buffalo about a 15 minute drive from where I live. The Riviera is registered as an historical site in New York state. It was built sometime in the 1920s I believe. Queensryche is an odd booking for them, as they usually just stick to plays, musicals and sometimes showing movies. They do book a few rock shows a year there though. The place seats over a thousand, I wonder how well Ryche will fill the place?

Tickets are only $34, so I will probably end up going.

ravenheart
01-28-2014, 07:45 AM
Tickets are only $34, so I will probably end up going.

I'd see them in a proper theatre for that.

They certainly won't fill it though.

marker
01-28-2014, 11:01 AM
I'd see them in a proper theatre for that.

They certainly won't fill it though.

I was going to say the same thing, no way they fill it. Probably won't come close.

Travis The Dragon
01-28-2014, 12:08 PM
I'd see them in a proper theatre for that.

They certainly won't fill it though.

It only holds 1,100 and they've already sold out 2 places that hold over 1,000. 3 nights ago at House Of Blues in Anaheim, CA and on the 3rd in Snoqualmie, WA.

PVH5150
01-28-2014, 01:52 PM
It only holds 1,100 and they've already sold out 2 places that hold over 1,000. 3 nights ago at House Of Blues in Anaheim, CA and on the 3rd in Snoqualmie, WA.

Ccan't really compare selling out a venue anywhere near LA to selling out anywhere in upstate NY. Not to mention how many free tickets are given away to the gambling addicts at every casino show in the US.

ravenheart
01-28-2014, 02:28 PM
It only holds 1,100 and they've already sold out 2 places that hold over 1,000. 3 nights ago at House Of Blues in Anaheim, CA and on the 3rd in Snoqualmie, WA.

What's with the name change?

Travis The Dragon
01-28-2014, 03:09 PM
What's with the name change?

It's the name I'm using on other forums so I though use it here as well.

ravenheart
01-28-2014, 03:41 PM
It's the name I'm using on other forums so I though use it here as well.

The other one was better. You sound like a Chinese American schoolboy.

Travis The Dragon
01-28-2014, 04:11 PM
The other one was better. You sound like a Chinese American schoolboy.

:lol: Maybe I can get QR booked there next! :tongue:

marker
01-28-2014, 05:11 PM
It only holds 1,100 and they've already sold out 2 places that hold over 1,000. 3 nights ago at House Of Blues in Anaheim, CA and on the 3rd in Snoqualmie, WA.

Where did you hear that they sold out the Anaheim show? I'm not saying they didn't, if they did the buy 3 get 1 free deal probably helped.

rjturtle9
01-28-2014, 05:21 PM
Where did you hear that they sold out the Anaheim show? I'm not saying they didn't, if they did the buy 3 get 1 free deal probably helped.

I was at that show, and it was stupid packed.

marker
01-28-2014, 05:30 PM
I was at that show, and it was stupid packed.

Good, I thought you might have been there.

Travis The Dragon
01-28-2014, 07:04 PM
Where did you hear that they sold out the Anaheim show? I'm not saying they didn't, if they did the buy 3 get 1 free deal probably helped.

They posted on their Facebook that it was sold out.

I was at that show, and it was stupid packed.

If you could put a review up, that would be great!

marker
01-28-2014, 08:59 PM
They posted on their Facebook that it was sold out.



If you could put a review up, that would be great!

Good luck with that!

rjturtle9
01-28-2014, 11:47 PM
If you could put a review up, that would be great!

I'm way too lazy to do that. :lol:

It was awesome except they cut a few songs but they sounded great and looked like they were having a blast on stage. And I got drunk. /review

ravenheart
01-29-2014, 02:41 AM
They posted on their Facebook that it was sold out.

They're like Anvil. They post on their Facebook saying every show is sold out AFTERWARDS. It's a con to make people think tickets for future shows will be in higher demand than they really are.

Coma323
01-29-2014, 02:48 AM
Taken from photographer Mike Savoia's instagram page:
http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/212e3e12866311e3908d12b14a07c504_8.jpg
Sold Out Bro!? Hell yeah it was! Queensryche just crushed the Anaheim House of Blues at NAMM 2014 and representing the Seahawks! #queensryche #queensrycheofficial #parkerlundgren #namm #namm2014 #seahawks #seattleseahawks #gohawks #richardsherman #soldoutbro #savoiaphotographylive

ravenheart
01-29-2014, 02:53 AM
Yeah, yeah. Just like all the others. "Packed" I'll buy; "sold out" I doubt.

MetalIsArt
01-29-2014, 02:58 AM
Yeah, yeah. Just like all the others. "Packed" I'll buy; "sold out" I doubt.

It's amazing what you can do with photoshop these days.

rjturtle9
01-29-2014, 03:10 AM
Yeah, yeah. Just like all the others. "Packed" I'll buy; "sold out" I doubt.

No I think it really was sold out. But too be fair it was NAMM weekend and that was happening a block away. Still though, it was a great show.

ravenheart
01-29-2014, 04:31 AM
I would imagine the NAMM effect sells out most half-decent rock and metal shows over that weekend.

Sanitarium78
01-29-2014, 07:08 AM
I would imagine the NAMM effect sells out most half-decent rock and metal shows over that weekend.

Yeah, that's a lot different than trying to sell out a 1,000 capacity theater in North Tonawanda, NY. Nothing is going on up there at that time of year, so I think they may have a little trouble drawing a decent crowd. If they were playing in downtown Buffalo, I could see them drawing a good crowd on a Friday night but not in North Tonawanda.

My guess is that they can at least get 500 for this show.

AnthG
01-29-2014, 07:12 AM
There's a "Downtown" Buffalo?

Sanitarium78
01-29-2014, 07:19 AM
There's a "Downtown" Buffalo?

Yep. It's obviously not anything like Toronto but downtown Buffalo is there:lol:

ravenheart
01-29-2014, 08:01 AM
Just south of Uptown Buffalo, right? :eyes:

TheWildAndTheYoung
01-29-2014, 08:15 AM
I'm just happy that it's this version that's playing M3 and not Tates, maybe I'll finally see why everyone hates this band.

AnthG
01-29-2014, 08:16 AM
I guess it depends on what your defintion of "Downtown" is. I usually just interpret "Downtown [insert city here]" to be where that city's core is for businesses and other stuff.

adamclark52
01-29-2014, 09:47 AM
No offense to Buffalo...:eyes:...but I've never seen as many "office space for rent" signs and boarded up shop windows as I did in downtown Buffalo.

marker
01-29-2014, 12:18 PM
They're like Anvil. They post on their Facebook saying every show is sold out AFTERWARDS. It's a con to make people think tickets for future shows will be in higher demand than they really are.

I was thinking the same thing, glad turtle confirmed. :lol:

anomynous
01-29-2014, 01:01 PM
Wait, Anvil isn't a joke band? Hold on, let me check.


Yup, they still are.

Travis The Dragon
01-29-2014, 01:59 PM
I'm just happy that it's this version that's playing M3 and not Tates, maybe I'll finally see why everyone hates this band.

I don't think anyone hates this band. They're just doing all of this to piss me off. :lol:

Steev
01-29-2014, 02:36 PM
I don't think anyone hates this band. They're just doing all of this to piss me off. :lol:

I don't hate them, but if they're not gonna tour anywhere nearby I'm not gonna bother

Travis The Dragon
02-19-2014, 03:48 PM
Just announced:

Soaring Eagle Casino
Jun 06, 2014 - Mt Pleasant, MI

Travis The Dragon
03-05-2014, 04:04 PM
New date up - May 24th at Speaking Rock Entertainment Center in EL Paso, TX