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ravenheart
12-10-2013, 01:36 PM
13 World Tour
Venue: O2 Arena
Support: Uncle Acid And The Deadbeats (19:30-20:10)
Set Times: 20:30-22:25

War Pigs
Into The Void
Under The Sun
Snowblind
Age of Reason
Black Sabbath
Behind The Wall of Sleep
N.I.B.
End of The Beginning
Fairies Wear Boots
Rat Salad
Drum Solo
Iron Man
God Is Dead?
Dirty Women
Children of The Grave
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Sabbath Bloody Sabbath / Paranoid

TonyD
12-10-2013, 04:06 PM
Same old same old...

IrritatedTrout
12-10-2013, 04:46 PM
I want to see these guys again without the fucking seated floor.

Travis The Dragon
12-10-2013, 05:43 PM
I want to see these guys again without the fucking seated floor.

I'll never see them again no matter what! I can't stand the way Ozzy acts on stage. He looks like a goofy fool the way he hobbles around and has the audience jump. And he has them do it at times that don't even make sense. This is a case where I'd actually rather see less energy on stage by him. And how many fucking times does he need to tell the audience to go crazy and make some noise? There's nothing wrong with the frontman being a bit excited and getting the audience going, but he way overdoes it and looks like a retard doing it.

kalfitegrdan
12-10-2013, 10:32 PM
Wouldn't happen to have any idea about Uncle Acid's set, would you?

ravenheart
12-11-2013, 01:18 AM
I want to see these guys again without the fucking seated floor.

They don't do that here. Not that it matters to me because I have level one seats for both my shows.

Wouldn't happen to have any idea about Uncle Acid's set, would you?

Nope. Only saw the last song. I like them musically, but hate their vocals.

ravenheart
12-11-2013, 01:19 AM
I'll never see them again no matter what! I can't stand the way Ozzy acts on stage. He looks like a goofy fool the way he hobbles around and has the audience jump.

Of all the things that can be wrong with an Ozzy performance, to pick this out as a reason not see them is just fucking stupid.

Sure he cuts a bit of a sad figure with the way he moves, but newsflash, junior: when you get old, movement gets harder. I'd rather he keep doing it and keep enjoying himself so he performs better than be forced to stand still, because knowing what he's like that would just make him miserable and the performances would suffer.

Right now, I've seen Sabbath twice in the space of 18 months and he's sounded great both times. I want that to continue.

Can't wait for round 3 next week, then round 4 next Summer. Last night's show was awesome.

It's so sad though that for so many people there, the setlist was:

War Pigs
(some stuff)
Iron Man
(some stuff)
Paranoid

dwils65
12-11-2013, 01:09 PM
Bad Sabbath is still better than no Sabbath, but the reason Ozzy sounds good is because someone else sings with him. It is common knowledge that though the later part of his solo tours, Robert Mason was backstage singing along with him. Throw in some technical tricks and he sounds better than he did 30 years ago. Not complaining mind you, plenty of other people do it.

ravenheart
12-11-2013, 01:44 PM
Bad Sabbath is still better than no Sabbath, but the reason Ozzy sounds good is because someone else sings with him. It is common knowledge that though the later part of his solo tours, Robert Mason was backstage singing along with him. Throw in some technical tricks and he sounds better than he did 30 years ago. Not complaining mind you, plenty of other people do it.

That was years ago. There's been no talk of that still going on, and I heard him muddle up lyrics more than once last night, so I'm pretty confident he was the only voice I was hearing.

Onioner
12-11-2013, 02:50 PM
Let's kill this Robert Mason shit with a quick Google search of "Robert Mason Ozzy".

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-mason/16/967/25

4th result from the top of the search- Ozzy backup vocalist from 95-96.

I'm sure there's some processing going on with Ozzy's vocals at the soundboard, but they sure do let a lot of cracks and lyrical flubs slip by if the "effects" are as heavy as some people think they are. Honestly, I think they probably just give him some standard EQ, reverb, a pinch of autotune and echo when the songs call for it. Anything more than that, and it would be legitimately noticeable.

dwils65
12-11-2013, 03:45 PM
I'm sure there's some processing going on with Ozzy's vocals at the soundboard, but they sure do let a lot of cracks and lyrical flubs slip by if the "effects" are as heavy as some people think they are. Honestly, I think they probably just give him some standard EQ, reverb, a pinch of autotune and echo when the songs call for it. Anything more than that, and it would be legitimately noticeable.

Ozzy sounds better now than he did in the 80s early 90s. I don't think his voice got better, and face it, technology drastically improved. Any opinions on the quality of his voice can be left to the individual. As long as you enjoy the show. I still went, and I would go again. kudos to all of the older guys still going out and touring.

ravenheart
12-12-2013, 01:50 AM
It sounds better than it did 5-6 years ago, sure. But before that? Nah. He sounds great for his age. His voice still cracks or goes flat, and there are plenty of mistakes etc.

To me he just sounds "right" at the moment. He's singing well, but his voice is showing its age. He's definitely not sounding better than he did decades ago. And that's fine, the shows are great, and the band are heavy as fuck. Can't wait to see them again next week.

I am certainly willing to believe some technological enhancement has been used on his hair though.

leglessmoof
12-13-2013, 05:25 AM
He sounds great for his age.

I disagree with this statement. Robert Plant sounds great for his age. Ronnie James Dio sounded great for his age. Rob Halford sounds great for his age. Bruce Dickinson sounds great for his age (although he is a bit younger than the rest of the singers I mentioned here).

Ozzy sounds just average for his age.

At least that was the case when I saw him back in August.

Granted, Ozzy does sound better in 2013 than, say, 2003 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYvGYU8xQXs). (Link is NSFW as it contains titties. :D )

ravenheart
12-13-2013, 05:33 AM
Robert Plant sounds great for his age.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: They couldn't even make him sound good by spending five years trying to get the LZ reunion recording right!

But anyway, it all depends on your reference point. If the only time you've seen Priest in recent years was the 2005 tour, then you're not going to agree Halford sounds great for his age, because he sounded absolutely horrible on that tour. But if you saw them on the tour after that, you know he got better.

Similarly it depends on how many reference points you have. Ozzy, I saw him in '07 and he sounded terrible. 2011 and he sounded terrible.

But in 2012 great, and 2013 #1 great. If 2013 #2 and 2014 also end up being great, then I'm sticking with those reference points as they're both more recent, and greater in number.

leglessmoof
12-13-2013, 05:37 AM
I can agree with you there. Ozzy definitely sounds better in 2013 than he has since at least 2005, perhaps even earlier.

I just wouldn't say he sounds "great", not even for his age.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: They couldn't even make [Robert Plant] sound good by spending five years trying to get the LZ reunion recording right!

I thought the reunion show sounded good... even listening to the audience recording before the official version was released. Yes, Robert Plant has lost some of his vocal range, so couldn't sing the songs exactly as they were written. But that's not the same as having your voice crack and singing off-key.

EvilCheeseWedge
12-13-2013, 10:31 AM
I'll never see them again no matter what! I can't stand the way Ozzy acts on stage. He looks like a goofy fool the way he hobbles around and has the audience jump. And he has them do it at times that don't even make sense. This is a case where I'd actually rather see less energy on stage by him. And how many fucking times does he need to tell the audience to go crazy and make some noise? There's nothing wrong with the frontman being a bit excited and getting the audience going, but he way overdoes it and looks like a retard doing it.

I'm surprised you even have time for Black Sabbath. Shouldn't you still be shoving Queensryche down our throats? :)

Yeah, Ozzy's goofy, but I think most people would agree it's an enjoyable, lovable sort of goofy. I mean, for fuck's sake, it's a modern scientific marvel that guy is alive, let alone able to stand up, let alone able to breathe, let alone even being able to speak or sing. Yet, he gets up there on stage, and it looks like he has an amazing god damn time. When I saw Sabbath in the summer it was obvious he can't sing like he used to. I mean, that's just a given. And it's obvious to him too. In some respects, he's almost a cheerleader for the rest of the band. And is that so bad? I love the way he gets on stage and literally bows in front of Tony Iommi. Or points to Tony and calls him "iron man."

I love that he enjoys himself. I love that he gets up there every time and instead of acting like a pompous entitled rockstar he constantly thanks the audience for letting him be there.

And he can still sing well enough to be more than enjoyable for most people.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBjk6cPcSo)
And fuck you for even using the word retard, frankly. <3

When you're sixty five fucking years old, if you rock half as hard as Ozzy does, I'll eat my words. But my guess is: You don't even rock half that hard right now. :)

MetalIsArt
12-14-2013, 04:18 AM
I can agree with you there. Ozzy definitely sounds better in 2013 than he has since at least 2005, perhaps even earlier.

I just wouldn't say he sounds "great", not even for his age.



I thought the reunion show sounded good... even listening to the audience recording before the official version was released. Yes, Robert Plant has lost some of his vocal range, so couldn't sing the songs exactly as they were written. But that's not the same as having your voice crack and singing off-key.

In all honesty, the LZ reunion concert sounds terrible both vocally & musically imho.

I say this after careful listening. I was all for a full-Zep reunion, but now I'm actually glad that Plant's refusal was the only reason it didn't happen.

MetalIsArt
12-14-2013, 04:19 AM
I'm surprised you even have time for Black Sabbath. Shouldn't you still be shoving Queensryche down our throats? :)

Yeah, Ozzy's goofy, but I think most people would agree it's an enjoyable, lovable sort of goofy. I mean, for fuck's sake, it's a modern scientific marvel that guy is alive, let alone able to stand up, let alone able to breathe, let alone even being able to speak or sing. Yet, he gets up there on stage, and it looks like he has an amazing god damn time. When I saw Sabbath in the summer it was obvious he can't sing like he used to. I mean, that's just a given. And it's obvious to him too. In some respects, he's almost a cheerleader for the rest of the band. And is that so bad? I love the way he gets on stage and literally bows in front of Tony Iommi. Or points to Tony and calls him "iron man."

I love that he enjoys himself. I love that he gets up there every time and instead of acting like a pompous entitled rockstar he constantly thanks the audience for letting him be there.

And he can still sing well enough to be more than enjoyable for most people.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBjk6cPcSo)
And fuck you for even using the word retard, frankly. <3

When you're sixty five fucking years old, if you rock half as hard as Ozzy does, I'll eat my words. But my guess is: You don't even rock half that hard right now. :)

If you wanna see a retard on stage, see Justin Bieber.

Besides, I equally hate these kind of comments than those who only see Sabbath as Ozzy's backing band.