Discussion Thread For The REAL Queensryche's New Album Due Out June 25th [Archive]

fonzbear2000

03-04-2013, 05:00 PM

Here is a teaser trailer of demo clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZNP_jR0McuU#

And a 90 second clip of a song called Redemption: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8iaNZBUK9c

Full version of Redemption: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4RfoUv9KU

Title of album: Queensryche

Produced, engineered & mixed by: James "Jimbo" Barton

Release date: June 25th: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=298698933596599&set=a.183090515157442.43082.163601033773057&type=1

Track listing:
1. X2 (1:09)
2. Where Dreams Go To Die
3. Spore
4. In This Light
5. Redemption
6. Vindication
7. Midnight Lullaby (:55)
8. A World Without
9. Don’t Look Back
10. Fallout
11. Open Road

Cover art:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65621_298698933596599_1205646546_n.jpg

mankvill

03-04-2013, 06:18 PM

YES

MORE QUEENSRYCHE THREADS

fonzbear2000

03-04-2013, 06:34 PM

YES

MORE QUEENSRYCHE THREADS

:lol: That's why I decided to stop with this one.

BloodoftheKings

03-04-2013, 06:38 PM

:stop:

anomynous

03-05-2013, 09:28 AM

Glen Drover to play with real Sryche on stage (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187040)

After leaving Taintertot's band

SomewhereInTime72

03-06-2013, 12:20 PM

Glen Drover to play with real Sryche on stage (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=187040)

After leaving Taintertot's band

LOL

That's a third degree burn.

fonzbear2000

03-22-2013, 01:45 PM

From Parker Lundgren's facebook:
Tune in to Sirius/XM Monday night at 7PM EST/4PM PST to Ozzy's Boneyard (Channel 38) or Eddie Trunk Live/Trunk Nation (Channel 39) to hear the full version of "Redemption" for the first time anywhere!
It'll be great to hear the full song!

Steev

03-22-2013, 06:21 PM

Meh until they play Philly, seriously who the fuck plays Jim Thorpe

Derelict

03-25-2013, 05:42 AM

Thank god someone finally made this thread!!!1!!!!!1111!!!!

fonzbear2000

03-25-2013, 02:17 PM

Less than an hour to go until the full version of Redemption! :rocker:

fonzbear2000

03-25-2013, 03:32 PM

The song was played right away so we're just waiting for it to be made available for streaming.

fonzbear2000

03-25-2013, 03:37 PM

It's up!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4RfoUv9KU

SomewhereInTime72

03-26-2013, 11:39 AM

I really hate the overall sound of that, the production feels all wrong to me. It's kind of disgusting to my ears.

The song feels like its better written than anything they've done since like the best two songs on MindcrimeII... but the sound ruins it for me. Todd sounds terrible to me, but it's not his voice, it's the way it's mixed in there. I don't know enough about music production to explain myself but it's just a really bad sound to me. Disappointed. :hmm: Hopefully it would still sound good live.

Sanitarium78

03-26-2013, 11:59 AM

The song isn't too bad at all. This is the first i've heard the new singer and he certainly can do a good Geoff Tate imitation. But does he have his own singing voice or is he just a Tate clone?

Steev

03-26-2013, 12:02 PM

DethMaiden

03-26-2013, 12:49 PM

Oh, cool. It's just a different kind of terrible than they've been for the past decade and a half.

ravenheart

03-26-2013, 02:52 PM

The song isn't too bad at all. This is the first i've heard the new singer and he certainly can do a good Geoff Tate imitation. But does he have his own singing voice or is he just a Tate clone?

Does the guy from Crimson Glory have his own voice? Do you hear yourself? He's throwing a couple of great Geoff-isms into that song though.

Anyway, as for the song, it's pretty crap. Can't tell a thing about the production because it's been compressed to fuck for the upload, but regardless, poor song in every respect.

Steev

03-26-2013, 02:58 PM

I don't think it's bad per say, but not convincing enough to buy the CD

ravenheart

03-26-2013, 02:59 PM

My faith in a good album is now in favour of Geoff after hearing that.

Steev

03-26-2013, 03:04 PM

My faith in a good album is now in favour of Geoff after hearing that.

I'm certainly curious, as a rock(not metal) album his solo disc from last year was solid

Sanitarium78

03-26-2013, 04:09 PM

Does the guy from Crimson Glory have his own voice? Do you hear yourself?

Yeah, I heard myself just fine;) Obviously if I was aware of this singer's work before he joined Ryche I never would've have said that. But first impressions are he does a very good job of sounding like the Geoff Tate of old.

fonzbear2000

03-26-2013, 04:44 PM

For me it's easily the best stuff they've had since Empire. And compared to Mindcrime 2 and Dedicated To Chaos, it's WAYYYYY better!

The sound that QR is going for is a metal album that sounds like a mix of the first EP throug PL. They want to make up for all the shit that tatertot did with them which made them lose a lot of their popularity.

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 09:42 AM

Oh, cool. It's just a different kind of terrible than they've been for the past decade and a half.

I think I love you. :bliss:

Q2K, Mindcrime II, American Soldier, and Dedicated to Chaos proved that without Chris DeGarmo, QR's studio material ranges from eh, to meh, to :barf: . What this song proves to me is that without Geoff Tate they still don't have Chris DeGarmo and they still have the same issue.

As for this new song specifically: It's generic metal. It's poorly produced. The vocals are way too hot in the mix. Where's EdBass? The Auto-Tune is obvious. The guitar solos are meandering. The lyrics are cheesy and like fonzbear2000's obnoxious user text ("Proud to be a Christian/NObama!") seem to be trying really hard to say something.

As for Geoff's QR... there's no way an album written and recorded in six weeks by the guy that produced the last few QR albums is going to be anything other than mediocre at best.

:ecw:

Steev

03-27-2013, 09:52 AM

What about Tribe??? :tongue:

Atleast the other one has Dio's rhythm section and members of Priest and Slayer on it, so there's that

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 09:55 AM

What about Tribe??? :tongue:

Atleast the other one has Dio's rhythm section and members of Priest and Slayer on it, so there's that

I love Tribe. I think it's a good album, but not surprisingly it has Chris DeGarmo writing credits and performances on half of the material (and that's the good stuff too like "Open" and "Desert Dance" and "Art of Life.")

Well GTQR's touring line-up is a bit different than the studio one. Paul Bostaph played most of the drums on the album.

Steev

03-27-2013, 10:16 AM

I love Tribe. I think it's a good album, but not surprisingly it has Chris DeGarmo writing credits and performances on half of the material (and that's the good stuff too like "Open" and "Desert Dance" and "Art of Life.")

Well GTQR's touring line-up is a bit different than the studio one. Paul Bostaph played most of the drums on the album.

I thought Degarmo was involved,and you mentioned my 2 favorite songs off it

The touring band should be decent, Kelly and Rudy did Geoff's solo run last year

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 10:31 AM

I thought Degarmo was involved,and you mentioned my 2 favorite songs off it

The touring band should be decent, Kelly and Rudy did Geoff's solo run last year

Good taste :)

Despite the criticisms on some corners of the Internet, I'd agree that Geoff's QR touring line-up could be pretty good. I saw Dio's band when Sarzo and Wright were in it, and they were a great rhythm section. Gray is an okay guitarist, so hopefully Rudy Sarzo's brother, the other guitarist, is a much better guitarist than Gray. If he is, there's a chance this line-up might be worth something. If he's equal to Gray or less than in terms of playing, I don't think GTQR will be worth that much since QR music, and Operation: Mindcrime in particular, are so guitar driven.

GT's band is also getting some better bookings. The real QR is playing in a Harley Davidson dealership in my town. Literally a motorcycle dealership. :confused: That's the only show in my state they're playing. GTQR's on the other hand will be playing the House of Blues here.

Steev

03-27-2013, 10:39 AM

Good taste :)

Despite the criticisms on some corners of the Internet, I'd agree that Geoff's QR touring line-up could be pretty good. I saw Dio's band when Sarzo and Wright were in it, and they were a great rhythm section. Gray is an okay guitarist, so hopefully Rudy Sarzo's brother, the other guitarist, is a much better guitarist than Gray. If he is, there's a chance this line-up might be worth something. If he's equal to Gray or less than in terms of playing, I don't think GTQR will be worth that much since QR music, and Operation: Mindcrime in particular, are so guitar driven.

GT's band is also getting some better bookings. The real QR is playing in a Harley Davidson dealership in my town. Literally a motorcycle dealership. :confused: That's the only show in my state they're playing. GTQR's on the other hand will be playing the House of Blues here.

Geoff's version is doing the TLA in Philly(where I'm apparently getting comped a ticket), last year his solo band did a now closed sports bar/club in NE Philly

If anything it sounds like things are picking up, he went from a venue maybe holding 150 to one holding 1200, and that's with being in the area twice within half a year

Steev

03-27-2013, 10:42 AM

The only weird part was his solo band using picks from old tours(I caught a Parker Lundgren pick from their 09 run)

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 10:57 AM

The only weird part was his solo band using picks from old tours(I caught a Parker Lundgren pick from their 09 run)

Wait, are you saying you caught a Parker pick on GT's solo tour? That's pretty strange and hilarious :lol:

Steev

03-27-2013, 11:17 AM

Wait, are you saying you caught a Parker pick on GT's solo tour? That's pretty strange and hilarious :lol:

Yes, and it was the one that says "I'm nailing Geoff Tate's daughter"

Steev

03-27-2013, 11:18 AM

Although to be fair that also can apply to the bassist in his solo band(who apparently is his son in law and the father of his grandson)

Onioner

03-27-2013, 11:29 AM

After a few listens, here's what I got-

The chorus is so wrong and out of place. It's like they tried to write a modern hard rock song, but with a super poppy chorus and it just doesn't work at all.

For the love of god, why so much autotune?! Yes, autotune is an industry standard by now, but it should NEVER be this distracting. Hell, it shouldn't even be noticeable to the untrained ear. Massive, massive mistake from Jimbo Barton on this one.

Todd sounds awesome, my worry about his ability to write vocal melodies has been totally alleviated. That being said, dude should be singing plain old heavy metal, not this metal/pop frankensong.

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 11:44 AM

Although to be fair that also can apply to the bassist in his solo band(who apparently is his son in law and the father of his grandson)

Yeah, that whole thing is weird. I don't even really care to follow it. For as much flak as Tate got/gets about the family connections, Parker is a legitimately good guitarist. I always thought so. And in my view, that's what should count. That said, that particular pick is creepy :lol:

After a few listens, here's what I got-

The chorus is so wrong and out of place. It's like they tried to write a modern hard rock song, but with a super poppy chorus and it just doesn't work at all.

For the love of god, why so much autotune?! Yes, autotune is an industry standard by now, but it should NEVER be this distracting. Hell, it shouldn't even be noticeable to the untrained ear. Massive, massive mistake from Jimbo Barton on this one.

Todd sounds awesome, my worry about his ability to write vocal melodies has been totally alleviated. That being said, dude should be singing plain old heavy metal, not this metal/pop frankensong.

Well said.

A chorus like "Search and you’ll find the answers/To be the change that you want to see" makes it seem like someone forgot to tell them they aren't Journey. It's like "Take Hold of the Flame" but a few decades too late and less engaging. And not really the type of chorus I would've expected from them, given their heavily metal (pun intended) set list of late.

Steev

03-27-2013, 12:10 PM

Yeah, that whole thing is weird. I don't even really care to follow it. For as much flak as Tate got/gets about the family connections, Parker is a legitimately good guitarist. I always thought so. And in my view, that's what should count. That said, that particular pick is creepy

Yes it is, and hilarious

I only knew about the bassist because he was talking about his grandson, then looked at him and say "you fucked my daughter didn't you"

Onioner

03-27-2013, 02:14 PM

Well said.

Thanks dude! About an earlier post you made, can you really not hear Eddie's bass? That's one thing I do like about Jimbo's work on the album, Ed's rumbling all throughout- his tone isn't super articulate, but he's totally there in the mix.

One thing I do have to say though, and I know I'll probably get some shit for this, but I think I actually like Todd's voice more than prime-era Geoff's. I'm also the kinda guy that would take Halford over Dickinson- I just like lower, gruffer mid-range vocals that Halford and Todd have in spades more than the air-raid siren thing that Tate and Bruce do.

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 02:39 PM

Thanks dude! About an earlier post you made, can you really not hear Eddie's bass? That's one thing I do like about Jimbo's work on the album, Ed's rumbling all throughout- his tone isn't super articulate, but he's totally there in the mix.

One thing I do have to say though, and I know I'll probably get some shit for this, but I think I actually like Todd's voice more than prime-era Geoff's. I'm also the kinda guy that would take Halford over Dickinson- I just like lower, gruffer mid-range vocals that Halford and Todd have in spades more than the air-raid siren thing that Tate and Bruce do.

Hmm, well, maybe it is a tone issue. I like a really meaty bass presence in the mix, and my first impression of "Redemption" was that the bass was produced like a lot of Queensryche's 80's material... way too low in the mix. But you seem like a verb-based vegetable that knows his thing, so I'll give it another listen. I should caveat and say I've been listening mostly on my studio monitors. I don't think the compression (and there is debate over whether it's mostly due to YouTube or the track itself) is helping it in that respect, so I'll also give it a listen on a regular system.

I haven't really liked the production on a QR album since Promised Land, and that was Jimbo. Slater could bring out the bass (e.g. "Hostage" or a lot of the stuff on American Soldier) but there were so many other aspects of his production that just didn't do it for me. But Jimbo's production here is letting me down too, just for different reasons than Slater's.

My first impression of QR was from Operation: Mindcrime when I was 17. I thought Geoff Tate sounded like a metal castrati with the rest of the band being a second-rate Iron Maiden. My opinion quickly evolved, but I guess my point here is that I can totally see where you're coming from with respect to Geoff's voice and vocal preferences.

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 02:40 PM

Wait, have you heard the whole album? Or I am just reading that wrong :lol:

Onioner

03-27-2013, 03:46 PM

Wait, have you heard the whole album? Or I am just reading that wrong :lol:

Oh no, I definitely haven't! Not yet anyway haha. I might get a promo sometime in May or something, the site I write for has a pretty good relationship with QR's PR folks.

And that's funny, my first real QR impression was Operation: Mindcrime when I was 17 too. I too thought that Geoff sounded badass and I paid basically zero attention to the rest of the band. I never picked up anything else besides the EP for a while, but the Brazil incident last year inspired me to pick up The Warning, Rage for Order and Empire. I thought The Warning was amazing and I would blast En Force whenever I would go driving, and the only thing I could think when I listened to Empire was "what the fuck happened to Geoff?! He sounds like ass now!" For a long time I couldn't even listen to Empire because I loved the way Geoff sounded on the 80s albums so much more.

EvilCheeseWedge

03-27-2013, 03:58 PM

Oh no, I definitely haven't! Not yet anyway haha. I might get a promo sometime in May or something, the site I write for has a pretty good relationship with QR's PR folks.

And that's funny, my first real QR impression was Operation: Mindcrime when I was 17 too. I too thought that Geoff sounded badass and I paid basically zero attention to the rest of the band. I never picked up anything else besides the EP for a while, but the Brazil incident last year inspired me to pick up The Warning, Rage for Order and Empire. I thought The Warning was amazing and I would blast En Force whenever I would go driving, and the only thing I could think when I listened to Empire was "what the fuck happened to Geoff?! He sounds like ass now!" For a long time I couldn't even listen to Empire because I loved the way Geoff sounded on the 80s albums so much more.

Okay, wasn't sure! ;)

I can't believe you didn't really venture into QR until after the Brazil thing! That's kind of too bad. I first saw Queensryche live in 2005, and honestly, it was a whole different thing then. Whatever tensions flared in 2012 weren't on display then, and Geoff sounded great. I went into QR live with low expectations (Live Evolution, Art of Live) and came back impressed. (http://www.metalsetlists.com/showthread.php?t=537) (Quick aside, it's incredibly painful to read my writing from when I was still in high school. Fuck.)

I really think 2005 was a great year for QR... I also saw them open for Judas Priest, and heard them play a lot of the stuff they play with Todd now (En Force, QoTR, etc.) I wish you could've experienced that relatively recent QR with Geoff as a point of comparison. I skipped the Cabaret crap, and the D2C tour, so I haven't actually seen QR since 2009, when I thought the live show was still good, but not what it was in 2005.

kalfitegrdan

03-27-2013, 04:45 PM

The lyrics are cheesy and like fonzbear2000's obnoxious user text ("Proud to be a Christian/NObama!") seem to be trying really hard to say something.

:lol: I was waiting for someone to say something about that.

Steev

03-28-2013, 08:54 AM

Just because I don't feel like looking the other thread up, iTunes has samples of all the tracks on Tate's version

EvilCheeseWedge

03-28-2013, 09:10 AM

Just because I don't feel like looking the other thread up, iTunes has samples of all the tracks on Tate's version

Yeah, and the samples range from alright, to meh, and the re-records. :hecho: Dear god, the re-records. :hecho::hecho::hecho:

Apparently the album is being remixed. And it does have some interesting guests. My guess is it'll be a decent effort. It's just got terrible cover art and would be easier to stomach if it was released as a Geoff Tate solo album.

Steev

03-28-2013, 09:17 AM

Yeah, and the samples range from alright, to meh, and the re-records. :hecho: Dear god, the re-records. :hecho::hecho::hecho:

Apparently the album is being remixed. And it does have some interesting guests. My guess is it'll be a decent effort. It's just got terrible cover art and would be easier to stomach if it was released as a Geoff Tate solo album.

Yeah the solo stuff is usually solid, I'm interested to see what happens since they'll apparently be 2 mixes of this record, I'm 5 tracks in and haven't heard the rerecords yet

EvilCheeseWedge

03-28-2013, 09:32 AM

Yeah the solo stuff is usually solid, I'm interested to see what happens since they'll apparently be 2 mixes of this record, I'm 5 tracks in and haven't heard the rerecords yet

I'd say do yourself a favor and don't listen to them, but you're curious, and you will. They are awful. I think some of the songs on FU sound promising (maybe like "Cold" or "Slave") and I'll be interested to hear them outside of the crazy low-fi iTunes previews. But the re-records are just fucking terrible.

My guess, and I think it's a fair guess, is that the label demanded the re-records. It's a low budget outfit and those re-records can draw attention to the album, or be packaged on other compilations later. I'm guessing considering that GT and Co. probably put minimal effort into them. At least, I hope, because that's what it sounds like.

Steev

03-28-2013, 09:46 AM

I'd say do yourself a favor and don't listen to them, but you're curious, and you will. They are awful. I think some of the songs on FU sound promising (maybe like "Cold" or "Slave") and I'll be interested to hear them outside of the crazy low-fi iTunes previews. But the re-records are just fucking terrible.

My guess, and I think it's a fair guess, is that the label demanded the re-records. It's a low budget outfit and those re-records can draw attention to the album, or be packaged on other compilations later. I'm guessing considering that GT and Co. probably put minimal effort into them. At least, I hope, because that's what it sounds like.

Figured that, makes sense

and having now heard all the samples there's a few promising songs

fonzbear2000

03-28-2013, 02:19 PM

About the autotune thing:
http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=3964.0
It's being said on the last few pages that Century Media used compression on the song before putting it on youtube and that makes the vocals sound different and gives the impression that autotune is being used. There is an actual rip from the radio program of the song without the compression. The owner of the site can't post it on there because it breaks a rule so if someone on here could find that version and post it, that would be great.

fonzbear2000

04-14-2013, 02:24 PM

Well, we are within 2 months of the album release and it's in that time that bands announce full album details and release a first, official single. I'm so excited!

Also, this is pretty interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY0IZbaRH3Q

Sanitarium78

04-14-2013, 03:54 PM

Um, I figured Redemption was the first official single:eyes:

fonzbear2000

04-14-2013, 05:01 PM

Um, I figured Redemption was the first official single:eyes:It was never actually called a single and hasn't been made available for sale either. The only reason it was made available is because that radio show played it.

fonzbear2000

04-25-2013, 02:10 PM

It looks like the cover art for the album is starting to be revealed: http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=4177.0 Or some sort of teaser to get us excited.

fonzbear2000

04-26-2013, 01:48 PM

And more has been revealed today!

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/381570_297167527083073_1600948447_n.jpg

fonzbear2000

04-28-2013, 12:30 PM

So, does anyone have any thoughts on the album cover so far? I just love the new logo and that the Try-ryche is looking like so far!

I must say that I'm a bit surprised and sad at the lack of interest in this.

ravenheart

04-28-2013, 03:07 PM

What's to be interested in?

Sanitarium78

04-28-2013, 03:14 PM

What's to be interested in?

Exactly.

They're just revealing the album cover, who cares? It's what the music will be like that's most important. I'll talk after I hear the album.

EvilCheeseWedge

04-28-2013, 03:37 PM

If this was a Geoff Tate promotion, people would call it lame.

Well, I'll call it lame anyways, because it is.

fonzbear2000

04-29-2013, 01:20 PM

I'm just surprised more people haven't said what they think of Redemption and such.

Well, the full artwork and track listing have been revealed. Some very interesting song titles for sure! Of course, it will be the actual songs that count. I can't wait to hear this album!

SomewhereInTime72

04-30-2013, 07:50 PM

I don't understand your level of hype over album artwork and song titles.

:eyes:

My mild interest remains entirely unchanged.

fonzbear2000

05-01-2013, 04:13 PM

I just said the song titles are interesting and that it will be the actual songs that count.

Also, from: http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=3999.msg94264#msg94264
The best part, however, was during recording breaks the DJ would play music and he played about 2 minutes of two other tracks from the new album. Whip, Ed and Parker were actually sitting right in front me me for a while and I spoke to Whip briefly (who was as nice and awesome as ever) who confirmed the first song played as SPORE. I didn't get to ask him what the second track was but I think it was FALLOUT based on the lyrics I heard ... "After the fall, after the fall."

As for the new tracks, they both had the "feel" of Redemption but sounded much more Mindcrime/Promised Land to me. The two minutes I heard, I loved way more than Redemption (which I really like). Very riffy, very Wilton. Spore was pretty heavy and stomping and the line that I recall was "Prisoner of War." The track that I believe was Fallout was much more Promised Land feeling. Kind of a dark vibe, with a slower section. Maybe the epic Parker track he spoke of. I really, really liked what I heard from these two songs. They sounded very deep and powerful to me.

I tried to absorb the few minutes I heard, but it's really hard. I wanted to remember more of the lyrics, but unfortunately that's all I can recall! Maybe after a good night's sleep I'll remember more!That has me pretty excited! Also, there's going to be a private listening party tonight so we should be getting in more song reviews soon.

fonzbear2000

05-01-2013, 07:35 PM

2 members from The Breakdown Room were both able to get into the private release party!: http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=4209.0 I can't wait to hear their reports!

fonzbear2000

05-03-2013, 01:12 PM

Someone in the media got a copy of the new album and put a bit of a review about it!
From: http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=4233.0
Hello guys and girls,

I follow the forum a lot and appreciate all the passion and love for the band that all of you share. Me included.

I just wanted to share some initial opinion of the new album. I just heard the promo and would like to share some thoughts after only one listening, because usually the first impression is always the most true.

First, I know that this is probably not the place to comment on that, but because there have been inevitable comparisons between the two albums - I really liked the new Geoff Tate - fronted album. Really. No joke. I think that it is on par with American Soldier and easily some of the best work till Promised Land.

So - let's get to the new "Queensryche" album and my first impressions. Soryy about not going into too much detail, but I haven't asked for persmission to make a long review yet:

1. The album is really short - 35 minutes, with and intro and a 55-long interlude in the middle of the album.
2. There are some instant classics like "Where Dreams Go To Die", "A World Without" and "Open Road". These are epic tracks and by "epic" I don't mean the track length, but the sound and the emotions they convey. Wonderful stuff, reminiscent of maybe something out of "Rage For Order"
3. There are some heavy, oldschool songs, with meaty riffs and uptempo, like "Vindication", "Spore" and "Fallout".
4. Scott is the star in this album. The drumming is absolutely stunning. Michael does some beautiful solos.

So, on a first listen, here is what I didn't like:

1. The production seems a little too compressed, with too many effects and layers used, which sometimes blur the second guitar and the bass. But I have to listed to the album a few more times and at a better stereo system to judge.

That's the album's only fault, haha!

You will love it guys. It is obvious what the buys and the producer have tried to achieve - to get the closest possible sound to "Rage" and keep close to this album's spirit, sound, production and overall attitude.
Even though it's only 35 minutes long, it's the quality of the songs that really counts. Some really amazing albums and songs have been quite short too.

EvilCheeseWedge

05-03-2013, 03:47 PM

I don't understand why it's only 35 minutes long. These are guys who have basically said in court that they have had fifteen years worth of their songs rejected by Geoff Tate. Fifteen years of songs and all you get is 35 minutes? :eyes:

ravenheart

05-03-2013, 04:20 PM

Some really amazing albums and songs have been quite short too.

Yeah, they're called EPs. Albums that length are called a con.

fonzbear2000

05-03-2013, 06:13 PM

You mean a con as in a rip off?

mankvill

05-03-2013, 06:40 PM

35 minute albums:

pop punk bands - awesome
grindcore bands - triple album
doom bands - length of single track

Queensryche - con

fonzbear2000

05-03-2013, 07:37 PM

Slayer's Reign In Blood: 30 minutes
Rush's Permanent Waves: 35 minutes

What do you mean by "con"?

Fates Guardian

05-03-2013, 09:31 PM

'Permanent Waves' had six songs; this has eleven. That sounds like an album of half-a-songs to me. And 'Reign in Blood' is a terrible example, considering that length is one of the biggest complaints leveled against it. Don't get me wrong either: I really love (old) Queensryche, and I want this album to be good. But 35 minutes sounds awfully incomplete.

EvilCheeseWedge

05-03-2013, 09:39 PM

I wouldn't call it a con. Coheed's second most recent album was only 39 minutes long, but it was billed from the beginning as the first half of a two part set (the second part being considerably longer.) In fact, they were recorded at the same time and that fact was always public. I don't think that's what QR is doing here at all. And even if it, it's disingenuous since they're not talking about it at this point.

What I don't understand is, if you're going to talk about 15 years of rejected songs, I expect at least a 40-45 minute long album. Further, if you're only going to deliver 35 minutes, why wait a year?! It's been 11 months since Rising West first performed. Why not just get 20 minutes out as an EP? Why wait so long to play any of it live? They could've had the producer they wanted and beaten Geoff Tate to the punch under that approach. And since they're already re-using the name of the only other EP they've ever released... :rolleyes:

Plus, all those examples are bad. Queensryche isn't Slayer. And Permanent Waves is a good example of basically the same genre, but it's from an era when Rush was releasing an album basically every year. And they were fucking classics, too. If QR drops something with the weight of Moving Pictures after this album I'd be genuinely shocked. It's going to be a gigantic break from 30+ years of established operation if Queensryche starts not only yearly albums, but genuine classic releases at that.

IrritatedTrout

05-04-2013, 06:46 AM

Never realized Permanent Waves was so short.

fonzbear2000

05-04-2013, 11:54 AM

fonzbear2000

05-04-2013, 03:40 PM

Oh, the release date has been changed to June 25th: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=298698933596599&set=a.183090515157442.43082.163601033773057&type=1 I asked for the thread title to be changed.

Also, James Barton just put this on his Twitter (https://twitter.com/musicsurgeon):
EXHALE! Just Mastered the Japanese release with bonus tracks. One mix left, "Eyes Of A Stranger" live B side
So, that means we should be getting a new single very soon! I'm so excited!

gilpdawg

05-04-2013, 09:40 PM

I don't completely understand why they're doing it this way either. Now, it has been stated at The Breakdown Room that they're already starting to write more material so it could be possible that they're going to release another album within the next year and that would make up for this release being so short. Regardless of length, I'm just glad to be getting an album that is written by the entire band and if it ends up living up to all the hype and is really amazing, I won't be complaining at all about the length.
I'd rather have one kickass record that's short than a mediocre record with a bunch of filler. Now a short record that's all filler, that's a problem. I'm so old I remember when 40 minutes was the maximum you could fit on vinyl, so I'm cool with 35 minute records. All the old Maiden albums are pretty short too you know.