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DethMaiden
12-20-2012, 09:07 AM
http://www.orionmusicandmore.com/

On one hand, cool because it's close. On the other, now I'm gonna sleep in Detroit for two nights/die there.

ravenheart
12-20-2012, 09:15 AM
Clashes with Sweden Rock. Fail.

markrz
12-20-2012, 09:22 AM
by "Detroit" they could mean a couple of things, like DTE in Clarkston which is pretty long way out of Detroit, or the Palace which is also a ways up.

Anyone know if the Phoenix Plaza in Royal Oak is still operating? I haven't heard anything about it since like 2001.

If it actually *IS* in Detroit, like at Cobo arena or something, cool.

IrritatedTrout
12-20-2012, 09:26 AM
Good, makes the decision to skip out on a cool Metallica set supported by a bunch of bullshit a whole lot easier.:bliss:

I'll be in France anyway.:D

ravenheart
12-20-2012, 09:27 AM
by "Detroit" they could mean a couple of things, like DTE in Clarkston which is pretty long way out of Detroit, or the Palace which is also a ways up.

Anyone know if the Phoenix Plaza in Royal Oak is still operating? I haven't heard anything about it since like 2001.

If it actually *IS* in Detroit, like at Cobo arena or something, cool.

Surely it's not going to be any of those... it's an outdoors-in-a-field affair.

natureboy
12-20-2012, 09:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDDYQlmq0w

dcmetal108
12-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Detroit is only like a 5 hour drive or so but being car jacked doesn't sound fun.

kalfitegrdan
12-20-2012, 09:53 AM
Detroit is only like a 5 hour drive or so but being car jacked doesn't sound fun.

Yeah, seriously.

I might have to go to this though.

natureboy
12-20-2012, 10:06 AM
Detroit is only like a 5 hour drive or so but being car jacked doesn't sound fun.

Would you drive through Detroit if there was delicious caek waiting for you on the other side?

dcmetal108
12-20-2012, 10:22 AM
Would you drive through Detroit if there was delicious caek waiting for you on the other side?

No! Especially because I don't know what a caek is? :lol:

Ommie
12-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Fuck the haters, at least we finally get a cool festival. :party:

Also, when this was in Atlantic City, wasn't this in some big field within the city itself? I'm not sure where they're gonna have it here. Makes more sense to have it in a field, but I don't know if we have one big enough in the city. Maybe this will be at the Pontiac Silverdome? The possibilities are endless, but I doubt this will be in the city of Detroit.

DethMaiden
12-20-2012, 10:35 AM
It was at an out of service airfield, which was fucking perfect and amazing.

Maybe you guys have a big empty factory they could have it in? Or would that be unwieldy given how many there are to choose from? ;)

Ommie
12-20-2012, 10:38 AM
It was at an out of service airfield, which was fucking perfect and amazing.

Maybe you guys have a big empty factory they could have it in? Or would that be unwieldy given how many there are to choose from? ;)
It wouldn't happen because it would get in the way of all the hipsters taking "artistic" ruin porn. ;)

Nater
12-20-2012, 10:39 AM
This is the perfect chance to put Body Count on!

PVH5150
12-20-2012, 10:40 AM
Calling it now. Ford Field.

DisposableJustice
12-20-2012, 10:52 AM
hmmm...interesting choice I was thinking east coast again but hey not ill will toward Detroit for me, and it is a lot closer for me than NJ

Now, announce that the Justice album will be played in full one of those days and I'll be there in a heartbeat:rocker:

DethMaiden
12-20-2012, 10:55 AM
I'm going to go to this every year no matter where they put it barring something like a horrible lineup and a promise to play St. Anger in its entirety. Knowing that there's thousands of people who think like me about Orion, it's pretty brilliant of Metallica to put this in a city that needs its tourist economy jumpstarted.

I've long held that Metallica is the smartest business of any band. This kinda confirms it.

Ommie
12-20-2012, 11:09 AM
I'm going to go to this every year no matter where they put it barring something like a horrible lineup and a promise to play St. Anger in its entirety. Knowing that there's thousands of people who think like me about Orion, it's pretty brilliant of Metallica to put this in a city that needs its tourist economy jumpstarted.

I've long held that Metallica is the smartest business of any band. This kinda confirms it.
Not to mention the cities this festival has been in so far have a lot of casinos (Atlantic City is self-explanatory, Detroit has Greektown and others, and one of the biggest casinos in Canada is just a stones throw away in Windsor). I wouldn't be surprised if this festival ends up in Las Vegas down the road.

DethMaiden
12-20-2012, 11:11 AM
Not to mention the cities this festival has been in so far have a lot of casinos (Atlantic City is self-explanatory, Detroit has Greektown and others, and one of the biggest casinos in Canada is just a stones throw away in Windsor). I wouldn't be surprised if this festival ends up in Las Vegas down the road.

They've said they want to stay off the West Coast because they want it to be inviting to European fans, but who knows. Your logic makes sense.

Derelict
12-20-2012, 11:25 AM
Detroit is abandoned, so no worries there. And the email I got said the festival will be "in the heart of Detroit."

kalfitegrdan
12-20-2012, 12:10 PM
"in the heart of Detroit."

And suddenly my self-preservation kicked in and my interest is waning.

smearCampaign
12-20-2012, 12:54 PM
I'm guessing Comerica Park. A couple Warped Tours were there. Or how about Hart Plaza where the Detroit Electronic Music Fest and the Downtown Hoedown are?

Incidentally, I just landed back home in the dirty D for the holidays.

TiradesOfTruth
12-20-2012, 12:59 PM
Fucking sweet! I will definitely be there!

Sanitarium78
12-20-2012, 04:37 PM
I can drive to Detroit in about three hours or so going up through Canada. I might have to think about this one.

PVH5150
12-21-2012, 07:45 PM
According to Crain's Detroit Business, the organizers of METALLICA's Orion Music + More festival are seriously considering Belle Isle as a destination for next year's edition of the two-day concert.

Belle Isle is a 982-acre (1.534 square miles) island park in the Detroit River, between the United States mainland and Canada, managed by the Detroit Recreation Department. It is connected to the rest of Detroit, Michigan by the MacArthur Bridge. It is the largest island city park in the United States and the third largest island in the Detroit River after Grosse Ile and Fighting Island.

Orion Music + More festival will take place on June 8-9, 2013. More details regarding tickets and the lineup for the show will be revealed in February. A teaser trailer for the event has been posted online.

RampinUp46
12-21-2012, 07:52 PM
I'm guessing Comerica Park. A couple Warped Tours were there. Or how about Hart Plaza where the Detroit Electronic Music Fest and the Downtown Hoedown are?

Incidentally, I just landed back home in the dirty D for the holidays.

So do tell, aside from "don't go to Detroit", how do I avoid being mugged/injured/killed in the city limits? I'm seriously considering going to this thing...

Natrlhi
12-22-2012, 12:39 AM
Not to mention the cities this festival has been in so far have a lot of casinos (Atlantic City is self-explanatory, Detroit has Greektown and others, and one of the biggest casinos in Canada is just a stones throw away in Windsor). I wouldn't be surprised if this festival ends up in Las Vegas down the road.The Greektown is a shithole, but the MGM ain't too bad.

I might have to hit this up if I'm able. I kinda wanted to go last year, but my wife and I were expecting the twins around that time, so that was a big "fuck no". Maybe I can run into some of you derelicts next summer in the Dirty D...

W0unds
12-22-2012, 08:17 AM
According to Crain's Detroit Business, the organizers of METALLICA's Orion Music + More festival are seriously considering Belle Isle as a destination for next year's edition of the two-day concert.

Belle Isle is a 982-acre (1.534 square miles) island park in the Detroit River, between the United States mainland and Canada, managed by the Detroit Recreation Department. It is connected to the rest of Detroit, Michigan by the MacArthur Bridge. It is the largest island city park in the United States and the third largest island in the Detroit River after Grosse Ile and Fighting Island.


This sounds awesome. I am very excited that this is something I can reasonably drive to this year.

DisposableJustice
12-22-2012, 12:47 PM
I recently joined the Denver chapter of the Metallica fan club so that will aid my choice to go to this so that I can go with a group of people

It will honestly also depend on what they do for the two shows set wise. If they are celebrating the 30th and 25th birthday of Kill Em All + ...And Justice for All respectively, then it's a yes
If not, may or may not I ain't rolling in the dough these days

zgodt
12-23-2012, 07:19 PM
Oh good grief, people, you're not gonna get murdered or mugged if you set foot inside Detroit.

hellawaits77ny
12-24-2012, 07:23 AM
I was hoping to go to this again, but I was hoping it was somewhere within car road trip distance. I'm anxious to see what other bands play, that will determine whether or not I fly out.

DethMaiden
12-24-2012, 07:41 AM
I was hoping to go to this again, but I was hoping it was somewhere within car road trip distance. I'm anxious to see what other bands play, that will determine whether or not I fly out.

FACT: Nothing in America is too far for a road trip. ;)

ravenheart
12-24-2012, 07:50 AM
FACT: Nothing in America is too far for a road trip. ;)

One day I will go on a proper American roadtrip.

DethMaiden will be driving.

;)

DethMaiden
12-24-2012, 07:51 AM
One day I will go on a proper American roadtrip.

DethMaiden will be driving.

;)

I'd be honored. You just can't scream every time you think I'm on the wrong side of the road.

W0unds
02-25-2013, 05:29 AM
Lineup released:

http://i.imgur.com/FGdX7YE.jpg

detuned
02-25-2013, 05:48 AM
already better lineup than last year

Jochen
02-25-2013, 06:05 AM
DEATH?

IrritatedTrout
02-25-2013, 06:08 AM
At least last year had Ghost along with Metallica. :lol:

detuned
02-25-2013, 06:09 AM
death the proto-punk band from detroit

hellawaits77ny
02-25-2013, 06:23 AM
Lineup isn't great for my tastes, but I am looking forward to seeing RHCP. My buddy REALLY wants to make the 13 hour drive to go to this. So it might happen.

dcmetal108
02-25-2013, 06:40 AM
Some good bands but no one rare enough to make the drive really.

Plus what happened to the extreme side stage from last year.

detuned
02-25-2013, 07:02 AM
Plus what happened to the extreme side stage from last year.

who said anything happened to it, there is no mention of any stages

remember that last year they waited quite a while before they announced any of the damage inc stage, could be the case again

edit: actually heres the press release, 5 stages

Metallica, in conjunction with their friends C3 Presents, are pleased to announce the lineup for the 2013 Orion Music + More Festival, to be held at Belle Isle in Detroit, MI on June 8 and 9. Headliners will include Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rise Against, Deftones and Bassnectar, while the festival will also feature amazing acts including Gogol Bordello, Foals, Tomahawk, The Joy Formidable, Death Grips and local Detroit bands The Dirtbombs, Death and Battlecross.

"Last year's Orion Music + More Festival was hands down the highlight of the Metallica calendar. A great time was had by all, especially the band members," said Lars Ulrich. "The fact that it also resonated with enough of our fans and friends that it warrants another go-around in '13 is beyond exciting. I can think of no better place than the Motor City, with its rich and diverse history of music, for the second ride on our Orion festival train. Bring it the fuck on!"

Orion Music + More will feature more than 30 bands across 5 live music stages plus a lifestyle element that reflects each of Metallica's band members many personal interests. Detroit will see the return of James Hetfield's Custom Car & Motorcycle Show, Kirk Hammett's Crypt, Lars Ulrich's Hit the Lights Film Tent and Robert Trujillo's Vans Vert Ramp alongside the Metallica Museum and many other fan favorite attractions.

The inaugural Orion Music + More was held in 2012 in Atlantic City, NJ with headliners Metallica, Arctic Monkeys and Avenged Sevenfold. The 2-day festival was met with praise from both fans and critics alike: "Orion Music and More Fest was curated to be a tremendously fan-friendly experience," said Rolling Stone. The Village Voice said "the way that the band left its stamp on all aspects of the festival (particular the big-tent aspect of the musical lineup) gave it a charge of intimacy and care that was much more present than at other multi-band, multi-day extravaganzas I've attended in recent years."

BloodoftheKings
02-25-2013, 07:33 AM
Damn that's a good lineup.

Jochen
02-25-2013, 07:46 AM
death the proto-punk band from detroit

Hm, okay. I had my suspicions.

AnthG
02-25-2013, 07:51 AM
Metallica, Deftones, and Rise Against would be enough to make me go if I lived in/near Detroit.

smearCampaign
02-25-2013, 07:58 AM
Metallica, Deftones, and Rise Against would be enough to make me go if I lived in/near Detroit.

You live in Toronto. You are near Detroit. A 5 hour drive is nothing.

W0unds
02-25-2013, 08:06 AM
You live in Toronto. You are near Detroit. A 5 hour drive is nothing.

Its closer to 4 hours if you are willing to drive on toll highways. :)

I am most likely going to attend, hopefully more metal acts get added in the next month or two.

Any Detroit members able to give advice on hotels/places to avoid/other stuff to do?

AnthG
02-25-2013, 08:28 AM
You live in Toronto. You are near Detroit. A 5 hour drive is nothing.

It isn't nothing when you don't own a car. And when the Deftones are already playing a headlining club show in March in Toronto. And when it's fucking Detroit.

300%_Density
02-25-2013, 08:48 AM
Weaker IMO.

Metallica
Deftones
Dropkick Murphys
Tomahawk
Dillinger
Fu Manchu

Last year (for me)
Metallica
Baroness
Ghost
Volbeat
The Sword
Suicidal
Red Fang
Sepultura
Black Dahlia


No contest. Unless there might be others added as well, like BDM, ST, SEP and others being announced later.

hellawaits77ny
02-25-2013, 08:53 AM
Some people are saying Metallica isn't headlining both nights. Is this true? And if so, link please.

smearCampaign
02-25-2013, 09:00 AM
Any Detroit members able to give advice on hotels/places to avoid/other stuff to do?

I grew up in the suburbs south of Detroit. I would say that the hotels at the casinos are pretty decent; really most of the big name hotels downtown should be Ok. They did quite a bit of work on the hotels before Detroit hosted the Super Bowl in '06; but I don't know how they've held up.

The east side besides Grosse Pointe is a sketchy area, so avoid that. Downtown and Midtown probably aren't much more dangerous than most big cities, but that's just because there are a lot more police in those areas. If you are on the street at night anywhere in Detroit you'll want to be aware of your surroundings.

Unless you're into exploring abandoned auto factories there isn't much to do downtown besides casinos and sports.

Chris_M_S
02-25-2013, 09:12 AM
They have a legit second headliner this year, so I wouldn't be surprised. And they haven't announced a gimmick yet this year (full albums, a certain era, whatever), so maybe they'll scale back on it being so Metallica-centric

hellawaits77ny
02-25-2013, 09:21 AM
Answered my own question, as I hadn;t read Metallica's statement:

"This year we are super psyched to have the Red Hot Chili Peppers join us to close the main Orion stage one night while we hit that stage the other."

Steev
02-25-2013, 09:55 AM
Answered my own question, as I hadn;t read Metallica's statement:

"This year we are super psyched to have the Red Hot Chili Peppers join us to close the main Orion stage one night while we hit that stage the other."

Hah lame, also surprised dropkick Murphy's are playing since they've shit talked Metallica in the past(then again so have Deftones)

Steev
02-25-2013, 09:56 AM
death the proto-punk band from detroit

Yeah Death's management clarified that

WOLVERINEKILLS
02-25-2013, 10:02 AM
Its Metallica's attempt at their own Bonnarooesque festival. It needs more metal imo but thats obviously not the direction they are going.

AnthG
02-25-2013, 10:12 AM
Hah lame, also surprised dropkick Murphy's are playing since they've shit talked Metallica in the past(then again so have Deftones)

Wasn't the extent of the Deftones "shit talking" just Chino saying that "We're the best live band on this tour" when they were on Summer Sanitarium? Or was there something else?

300%_Density
02-25-2013, 10:13 AM
Its Metallica's attempt at their own Bonnarooesque festival. It needs more metal imo but thats obviously not the direction they are going.

I thought that was kind of the consensus last year too, but then when they announced the side stages w/ S/T, BDM & Sepultura that kind straightened that out. Hopefully there's more.

hellawaits77ny
02-25-2013, 10:14 AM
Wasn't the extent of the Deftones "shit talking" just Chino saying that "We're the best live band on this tour" when they were on Summer Sanitarium? Or was there something else?

Yes, it pretty much said that, but in a more disrespectful way. Chino said something like "Metallica has a vast catalogue, but fuckers just stand there and play. We're gonna blow them offstage." He also made a few "old age" comments.

Steev
02-25-2013, 12:59 PM
Yes, it pretty much said that, but in a more disrespectful way. Chino said something like "Metallica has a vast catalogue, but fuckers just stand there and play. We're gonna blow them offstage." He also made a few "old age" comments.

And made it clear almost half the band didn't want to do the tour

John The Drummer
02-25-2013, 01:09 PM
Its so cold in the D :(

Ommie
02-25-2013, 01:31 PM
Anyone know when the schedule will be released?

DethMaiden
02-25-2013, 01:52 PM
Just want to express how bummed I am about this bill. Definitely won't be making the trip after last year's in AC being the most fun I've ever had at a festival.

TonyD
02-25-2013, 02:17 PM
This looks more like a typical hipster fest lineup than a Metallica festival...

elturtleboy
02-25-2013, 03:44 PM
Metallica
RHCP
FLAG
Dropkick Murphys
Death Grips(haha holy shit)
DEATH(punk band)
The Bronx
Battlecross



god damn Metallica knows how to throw a fest.

WOLVERINEKILLS
02-25-2013, 03:52 PM
This looks more like a typical hipster fest lineup than a Metallica festival...

Metallicaroo

BloodoftheKings
02-25-2013, 03:52 PM
Its so cold in the D :(

:lol:

This looks more like a typical hipster fest lineup than a Metallica festival...

It didn't really look like a Metallica festival last year either.

sfhui
02-25-2013, 03:59 PM
Earache's Cauldron is on the bill :rocker:

mankvill
02-25-2013, 04:27 PM
for some reason these Orion threads bring out the people screaming "OMG IT'S NOT METAL ENOUGH! HIPSTER BULLSHIT!" even though they're the ones chiding Metallica for not being "metal" since the 80's?

TonyD
02-25-2013, 04:37 PM
:lol:



It didn't really look like a Metallica festival last year either.
Yeah but even more so now. Baroness, ST, Ghost, A7X :leak: at least played off the top of my head.
for some reason these Orion threads bring out the people screaming "OMG IT'S NOT METAL ENOUGH! HIPSTER BULLSHIT!" even though they're the ones chiding Metallica for not being "metal" since the 80's?

I'm not talking like that, it just becomes like all of the other 'fests that are going on, and they're just slapping Metallica into the title.

Spiner202
02-25-2013, 04:51 PM
Earache's Cauldron is on the bill :rocker:

These guys will be by far the best band after Metallica. I'd argue they're easily one of the top bands in metal these days, and certainly one of the best live bands I've seen.

elturtleboy
02-25-2013, 07:48 PM
for some reason these Orion threads bring out the people screaming "OMG IT'S NOT METAL ENOUGH! HIPSTER BULLSHIT!" even though they're the ones chiding Metallica for not being "metal" since the 80's?

this

larvtard
02-25-2013, 08:42 PM
Death the proto-punk band playing... I'm torn whether this is an example of irony or coincidence. The reason being you'd expect the metal band Death to play Metallica's festival... and they're touring around then anyway.

Bengals279
02-25-2013, 08:44 PM
Holy shit. This is a HUGE letdown. Theres some good bands in there but this had the potential to be so much better

slapguitarer
02-25-2013, 08:52 PM
I seem to be one of the few dudes that's impressed.

I'd really enjoy
Metallica
RHCP
Gogol Bordello
Death Grips
Fu Manchu
DEP

I could at least enjoy
Rise Against
Deftones
Dropkick Murphys
Foals
Cauldron
Japandroids
Battlecross
Silversun Pickups
Tomahawk

If I were in the area, I'd hit that up.

christopher
02-25-2013, 10:17 PM
REALLY? NO ONE IS EXCITED FOR FLAG??? :hecho:

MPF
02-25-2013, 11:51 PM
ORION MUSIC 2014:

Metallica, One Direction, Carcass, Skrillex, Bolt Thrower, Buckcherry, Devin Townsend, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, Death Angel, K.C. & Jojo, Blackguard and MORE!

christopher
02-26-2013, 12:06 AM
ORION MUSIC 2014:

Metallica, One Direction, Carcass, Skrillex, Bolt Thrower, Buckcherry, Devin Townsend, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, Death Angel, K.C. & Jojo, Blackguard and MORE!

would have sounded better if you included 2 Chainz, Tegan and Sara and The Knife.

MPF
02-26-2013, 12:16 AM
would have sounded better if you included 2 Chainz, Tegan and Sara and The Knife.

I've only heard of Tegan and Sara. I'm not hip. :tongue:

christopher
02-26-2013, 12:17 AM
I've only heard of Tegan and Sara. I'm not hip. :tongue:

go message xdoomsayerx, he'll fill you in on his boy 2 Chainz hehe

ravenheart
02-26-2013, 03:35 AM
I can see this line-up being very popular.

hellawaits77ny
02-26-2013, 04:34 AM
And made it clear almost half the band didn't want to do the tour

They shouldn't have. They were awful. Worst band on the tour, including Mudvayne.

BloodoftheKings
02-26-2013, 08:10 AM
I've only heard of Tegan and Sara. I'm not hip. :tongue:

You actually get more hip cred for not knowing 2 Chainz. He gets played on the radio a lot.

detuned
02-26-2013, 08:21 AM
would have sounded better if you included 2 Chainz, Tegan and Sara and The Knife.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/teganmetallica.jpg http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/teganlars.jpg

Phil709
02-26-2013, 08:22 AM
So Metallica is only playing one night? HUGE disappointment.

christopher
02-26-2013, 08:47 AM
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/teganmetallica.jpg http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/teganlars.jpg

haha look at Rob doing the hover hand.

energymetal14
02-26-2013, 09:21 AM
For me this lineup isn't bad. I wouldn't drive far for it, but I would go if it was within acouple hours of me. I can see why people are bummed though, not many bands that make you scream, "I have to drive many hours and dish out lots of money to see this!!"

300%_Density
04-04-2013, 02:12 PM
New additions:

ROCKET FROM THE CRYPT, VISTA CHINO, DEAD SARA and local favorites MATT CLARKE and CALICO have all been added to the already stacked lineup.

And...

INFECTIOUS GROOVES

A very special addition to Orion Music + More 2013 will be an original lineup reunion of INFECTIOUS GROOVES, featuring Mike Muir (SUICIDAL TENDENCIES), Robert Trujillo (METALLICA), Stephen Perkins (JANE'S ADDICTION), Dean Pleasants (SUICIDAL TENDENCIES), and special guest Jim Martin (ex-FAITH NO MORE, filling in for original guitarist Adam Siegel).

This is pretty damn cool.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=188341

detuned
05-01-2013, 07:59 AM
schedules up

http://lineup.orionmusicandmore.com/events/2013/06/08/

ravenheart
05-01-2013, 08:44 AM
Wait, Metallica aren't headlining the first day? Talk about make a bad situation worse...

I honestly would think twice about attending this if I lived in Detroit. Three bands I'd actually want to watch, and they're not even all on the same day!

MetalIsArt
05-01-2013, 09:00 AM
See, that's why I never was a fan of festivals ;)

hellawaits77ny
05-01-2013, 09:05 AM
Yeah, as soon as I read that when it was first released, I said hell no.

DethMaiden
05-01-2013, 09:23 AM
I kinda think seeing the lineups laid out by time slot I could see myself still having a lot of fun, but no, this isn't worth the money this year.

ravenheart
05-01-2013, 09:33 AM
See, that's why I never was a fan of festivals ;)

No, that's because you're a pussy ;)

MetalIsArt
05-01-2013, 11:22 AM
No, that's because you're a pussy ;)

You remember your own hilarious quotes too well. :bouville:

ezeblazin
05-01-2013, 11:53 AM
As a fan of both punk and metal, I'm glad I didn't get tickets to this after seeing the schedule..

Battlecross overlapping with The Bronx and DEP?

Flag overlapping with Rise Against? I would think the Rise Against guys would have been looking forward to seeing Flag themselves, given that they have covers of Nervous Breakdown and Fix Me

And then on Sunday Deftones, Fu Manchu, Gogol Bordello and DEATH all overlapping each other... pretty weak.

I'd go if I lived in Michigan, but not making a road trip out of this.

dcmetal108
05-01-2013, 02:24 PM
Battlecross has a bigger timeslot than FLAG does. Odd.

DethMaiden
05-01-2013, 02:33 PM
Battlecross has a bigger timeslot than FLAG does. Odd.

At last year's set length didn't really have much to do with the size of the band. An hour on the tiniest stage wasn't really a "better" booking than 45 minutes on Metallica's stage, or even one of the tier below that.

christopher
05-01-2013, 03:16 PM
Battlecross has a bigger timeslot than FLAG does. Odd.

FLAG doesn't need an hour to do their whole set. I watched the video of their set a few weeks ago and they did 20 songs in about 35 minutes or so.

IrritatedTrout
05-01-2013, 03:26 PM
Awful lineup, even when compared to last year. I'd go for Metallica if I lived in Detroit though.

energymetal14
05-01-2013, 03:31 PM
Looking through the schedule, I would be disappointed if I was going to this. Like everyone else said, the overlapping sucks. I understand it is inevitable for large festivals, but when half the bands I would want to see are conflicting with each other, it's almost not worth it (especially since there's only a handful of bands I really care for).

Ommie
05-01-2013, 04:06 PM
Yeah some of the overlaps suck, but I'm thinking I might go Saturday. I have no clue why the fuck Metallica isn't headlining both days but I like RHCP so I can't complain too much.

PVH5150
05-01-2013, 04:20 PM
This is just awful.

The only way I'd even consider going is if they did either Kill Em All or And Justice For All in either of their entirety for their 30th & 25th anniversary.

hellawaits77ny
05-01-2013, 04:30 PM
so I can't complain too much.

Yes you can! Metallica headlining only 1 night is ghey as hell.

Ommie
05-01-2013, 04:41 PM
Yes you can! Metallica headlining only 1 night is ghey as hell.
I acknowledged that and while that does suck, I actually like RHCP. Besides I doubt Metallica is going to do any special sets for this show, seeing how they haven't mentioned anything about that yet.

hellawaits77ny
05-01-2013, 05:24 PM
I acknowledged that and while that does suck, I actually like RHCP. Besides I doubt Metallica is going to do any special sets for this show, seeing how they haven't mentioned anything about that yet.

I like them too. But IMO, with Metallica headlining both nights last year, it's a punch in the balls for them to only play one night this year.

ezeblazin
05-02-2013, 06:12 AM
I don't see why anybody cares if Metallica is headlining both nights... I'm sure they'd play 80% of the same songs both nights.

hellawaits77ny
05-02-2013, 08:30 AM
I don't see why anybody cares if Metallica is headlining both nights... I'm sure they'd play 80% of the same songs both nights.

What's with noobs running their mouth around here lately?

brutal_descent
05-02-2013, 08:43 AM
What's with noobs running their mouth around here lately?

Chill out, Mr. Aggro. He made a point, hardly running his mouth.

mankvill
05-02-2013, 08:45 AM
What's with noobs running their mouth around here lately?

Says the guy with under 3000 posts >:I

dcmetal108
05-02-2013, 08:53 AM
Says the guy with under 3000 posts >:I

http://cuddlebuggery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/shit-just-got-real.jpg

hellawaits77ny
05-02-2013, 10:19 AM
Chill out, Mr. Aggro. He made a point, hardly running his mouth.

K butt

Says the guy with under 3000 posts >:I

I'm gettin there.....

brutal_descent
05-02-2013, 12:19 PM
K butt

Your argumentative skills are exemplary :tp:

hellawaits77ny
05-02-2013, 02:33 PM
Your argumentative skills are exemplary :tp:

Dude, you really though I was serious? Wow. It's a quote from a movie.

Ommie
05-03-2013, 03:29 PM
Orion Preshows and Aftershow:

http://www.orionmusicandmore.com/2013/official-orion-2013-aftershows/

Fuck yeah, I'll hit up that Baroness/Coliseum show. I'm hoping more aftershows pop up, but who knows.

Chris_M_S
05-23-2013, 09:14 AM
Hooray, I'm going. I'm missing Baroness on Friday night for the Chevy Metal show, hopefully there will be some sweet cameos at that. But Baroness is in my town the night before I fly to Orion so I can just catch them then if I'm up to it.

I'm most stoked for DEP, Deftones, Tomahawk, Vista Chino, and Infectious Grooves (their mini set last year was totally bonkers)

christopher
06-05-2013, 06:27 AM
I just heard somewhere Metallica is playing AJFA this weekend. Can anyone confirm anything about this?

hot_turkey_ed
06-05-2013, 07:38 AM
I just heard somewhere Metallica is playing AJFA this weekend. Can anyone confirm anything about this?

I thought I read not-playing-an-album again at Orion rehashed in a recent Blabbermouth article. From Loudwire in February (http://loudwire.com/lars-ulrich-wouldnt-put-money-on-metallica-full-album-sets-2013-orion-festival/):

When asked if the band would revisit any more albums in full like they did last year with ‘Ride the Lightning‘ and the Black Album, Ulrich stated, “If I was a betting man, which I’m not, I would probably not put too much money on that. I think you’ve got to be careful that it doesn’t become something that people expect from you every year, especially when you only put records out every five years like we do.

Chris_M_S
06-05-2013, 12:27 PM
I know for a fact they are not playing AJFA

mankvill
06-05-2013, 12:30 PM
A few years back, someone on reddit was a crew member for Metallica and posted a set prop they had that was the sculpture on the front cover of AJFA. Did they ever use that in their live show?

W0unds
06-05-2013, 12:49 PM
A few years back, someone on reddit was a crew member for Metallica and posted a set prop they had that was the sculpture on the front cover of AJFA. Did they ever use that in their live show?

Are you referring to this statue?

CiBMGZcTNMk

mankvill
06-05-2013, 01:30 PM
Are you referring to this statue?

CiBMGZcTNMk

Yep.

detuned
06-08-2013, 03:11 AM
looks like metallica is doing a surprise set on the damage inc stage today at 4:30

http://instagram.com/p/aSKyc4PBo7/
http://lineup.orionmusicandmore.com/band/dehaan

@papa_het_: Don't miss Dehaan! #MUYA #mff #UwillRegretMissingThem #IfUdoUmightKillEmAll #winkWink #getIt?
@samobetty: Whaaaaaaa?!?!?!!!?kill'em all throwback concert?!?
@papa_het_: Getting warmer @samobetty #mff

dehaan is the last name of the star of the metallica movie

also google reverse image search reveals that picture to be random punks circa 1984
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Punks_on_brick_wall_c1984.jpg

detuned
06-08-2013, 02:35 PM
yeah so they just played kill em all in its entirety

John The Drummer
06-08-2013, 02:42 PM
yeah so they just played kill em all in its entirety

Lars: EY GUYZ! Slayer played two songs offa Hella Waits, we gotta do something to be azz kewl!
Robert: How about we play Kill 'Em All in its entirety?
Whole Band: HAHAHA, You're cute Rob, go back to making your funny faces.
James: How about we play Kill 'Em All in its entirety?
Kirk: GOOD IDEA JAMES!
Robert: But I just....
Whole Band: SHUT UP ROB!!!

TonyD
06-08-2013, 05:14 PM
what is mff?

PVH5150
06-08-2013, 09:00 PM
what is mff?

Metallica Feature Film, I'm assuming.

TonyD
06-08-2013, 10:53 PM
ah thanks

christopher
06-08-2013, 11:37 PM
At 430 tomorrow, the "Trujillo Trio" is scheduled to play the Damige Inc stage. I wonder if its another secret set?

TonyD
06-09-2013, 12:13 AM
At 430 tomorrow, the "Trujillo Trio" is scheduled to play the Damige Inc stage. I wonder if its another secret set?

Nope
http://lineup.orionmusicandmore.com/band/trujillo-trio

Ommie
06-09-2013, 10:18 AM
Lars: EY GUYZ! Slayer played two songs offa Hella Waits, we gotta do something to be azz kewl!
Robert: How about we play Kill 'Em All in its entirety?
Whole Band: HAHAHA, You're cute Rob, go back to making your funny faces.
James: How about we play Kill 'Em All in its entirety?
Kirk: GOOD IDEA JAMES!
Robert: But I just....
Whole Band: SHUT UP ROB!!!
So by "Whole Band", is that including Rob. :tongue:

Travis The Dragon
06-09-2013, 03:14 PM
Footage of the entire performance: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191040

detuned
12-03-2013, 02:57 PM
Metallica's Orion music festival won't be back to Belle Isle in 2014
(http://www.freep.com/article/20131202/ENT/312020111/Orion-music-festival-Detroit)
Metallica’s hard rock concert on Belle Isle is going silent.

The Orion Music + More festival will not return to Detroit in 2014, spokeswoman Shelby Meade confirmed today, six months after the two-day event drew an announced 20,000 daily attendance.

“We are simply on a pause for next year,” Meade said.

Texas promoter C3 Presents had a three-year agreement with the City of Detroit, including a first-year payout of $100,000 to the city. The contract gave leeway to either side to end the deal early, city officials told the Free Press earlier this year.

Metallica, which headlined an Orion lineup that included Red Hot Chili Peppers and Deftones, has in recent days announced a string of European tour dates for summer 2014.

The Belle Isle Conservancy was alerted to Metallica’s decision about two weeks ago, said board member Vance Patrick.

“They said it just didn’t go the way they expected it to,” said Patrick. “It’s unfortunate.”

Patrick said conservancy members were disappointed by the promoter’s restoration efforts on Belle Isle’s athletic fields, which it had agreed to restore to like-new condition. He said holes from equipment and trenches from heavy vehicles remain.

Still, the City of Detroit did not view that as a deal-breaker, Patrick said.

“Metallica quit on us — we didn’t quit on them,” he said.

C3 representatives declined comment on further Free Press questions.

Band members had emphasized ahead of the festival that they viewed Orion as a long-term investment, saying they were braced for several years of financial losses to get the event established.

“At the end of the day, it’s not about us making money,” lead singer James Hetfield said at a pre-fest news media event. “It’s about creating some sort of mark in history.”

Ommie
12-03-2013, 03:22 PM
“At the end of the day, it’s not about us making money,” lead singer James Hetfield said at a pre-fest news media event.
:lol:

Dextrimental
12-03-2013, 03:33 PM
Those numbers are literally a fraction of what they get each night everywhere else in the world when not doing indoor arenas, and very low for the kind of turnover a festival of that size would need. I can't blame them for deciding to recoup the losses through a European tour.

Steev
12-03-2013, 03:38 PM
Those numbers are literally a fraction of what they get each night everywhere else in the world when not doing indoor arenas, and very low for the kind of turnover a festival of that size would need. I can't blame them for deciding to recoup the losses through a European tour.

This, honestly they mentioned before that it wasn't working out for them financially. I would have to put the blame on part of the lineup. If they had done a festival with more rock and metal acts it may have sold better. Look at festivals like Rock on the Range, Carolina Rebellion, Aftershock, etc. those all do well every year with bands alot less popular than Metallica. You can't expect fans of Metallica to be enthused about a festival with Modest Mouse and Bassnectar. They overshot the whole thing. When it was in Atlantic City it did pretty well, but they waited months to announce heavier acts. The initial lineup was pretty disappointing and like apparently many others I didn't bother with it. They could easily do a festival and make alot of money, just do one that Metallica fans would actually want to see.

detuned
12-03-2013, 03:56 PM
save for the handful of electronic acts, i think the 2013 lineup was a bit more in line with what metallica fans would probably want to see (lets be honest, at this point the average metallica fan is probably more general rock than metal). probably could be argued that the location, lack of bigger names, and metallica not headlining the second night were just as much a detriment as the perceived appeal or lack thereof of the lineup.

Steev
12-03-2013, 04:02 PM
save for the handful of electronic acts, i think the 2013 lineup was a bit more in line with what metallica fans would probably want to see (lets be honest, at this point the average metallica fan is probably more general rock than metal). probably could be argued that the location, lack of bigger names, and metallica not headlining the second night were just as much a detriment as the perceived appeal or lack thereof of the lineup.

Like I said look at RotR, one day last year had Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Bush, Ghost, Lamb of God, Device, In This Moment, Sevendust, Steel Panther, etc.


Some variety, but enough appeal to draw a large crowd

mattlion
12-04-2013, 06:56 PM
Orion Fest in Detroit drew 20k each night? That's the same as Metallica can get on some arena tours themselves.

They completely missed the boat on that one.

AC the year before I think was about 35k the first night and 25-30k the second.

PVH5150
12-04-2013, 07:04 PM
Orion Fest in Detroit drew 20k each night? That's the same as Metallica can get on some arena tours themselves.

They completely missed the boat on that one.

AC the year before I think was about 35k the first night and 25-30k the second.

You're less likely to get murdered in Atlantic City than Detroit.

mankvill
12-04-2013, 07:18 PM
Detroit is the worst place in the world for anything. Make Orion 2k14 in Austin or something.

DisposableJustice
12-04-2013, 07:25 PM
I think another Summer Sanitarium tour is overdue...

Steev
12-04-2013, 07:40 PM
I think another Summer Sanitarium tour is overdue...

It'd make more sense, grab a few big names and hit the stadiums

Ommie
12-04-2013, 07:41 PM
Detroit is the worst place in the world for anything. Make Orion 2k14 in Austin or something.
So is Kansas.

:finger:

Steev
12-04-2013, 08:01 PM
Orion Fest in Detroit drew 20k each night? That's the same as Metallica can get on some arena tours themselves.

They completely missed the boat on that one.

AC the year before I think was about 35k the first night and 25-30k the second.

The last time they played Philly the venue held over 21,000 and was pretty much packed.

300%_Density
12-04-2013, 09:20 PM
I think another Summer Sanitarium tour is overdue...

Time to see what Powerman 5k, Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park & Mudvayne are up to now!!!!

I know there are other sweet ones I left off too.

Steev
12-04-2013, 10:09 PM
Time to see what Powerman 5k, Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park & Mudvayne are up to now!!!!

I know there are other sweet ones I left off too.

KoRn, Deftones, System of A Down


Truthfully they need to do a US tour, they haven't since 2009 and haven't done a summer tour since 2003

AnthG
12-05-2013, 05:24 AM
Orion Fest in Detroit drew 20k each night? That's the same as Metallica can get on some arena tours themselves.

They completely missed the boat on that one.

AC the year before I think was about 35k the first night and 25-30k the second.

Wasn't it 20,000 total, not each night?

Steev
12-05-2013, 05:46 AM
Wasn't it 20,000 total, not each night?

To put in perspective Rock on the Range had 105,000 over 3 days


That's with headliners that aren't nearly as big as Metallica

detuned
12-05-2013, 07:09 AM
headliners that arent nearly as big, but huge lineups of many more prominent bands that probably result in a better value and justification to the average rock fan.

also, not only is columbus a bigger city than detroit, its in the dead center of a shitton of other big cities

Steev
12-05-2013, 07:47 AM
headliners that arent nearly as big, but huge lineups of many more prominent bands that probably result in a better value and justification to the average rock fan.

also, not only is columbus a bigger city than detroit, its in the dead center of a shitton of other big cities

Like I said before, I think Metallica overshot themselves trying to make this so diverse. The average Metallica fan is probably not listening to alot of the acts they had perform(I heard it was like a mass exodus during Arctic Monkeys last year). I think they should just do like they did in 2000 where they jumped on a date of Tattoo The Earth.

mattlion
12-07-2013, 11:35 AM
You're less likely to get murdered in Atlantic City than Detroit.

Barely, but there's a lot more to do and see in AC, and it's drivable from NY, Philly, Baltimore, DC, and Boston. Detroit is drivable from.... Detroit and Windsor. And maybe Cleveland and Chicago.

In AC, the further you get from the water, the more likely bad things are going to happen. Fast.

AnthG
12-07-2013, 04:34 PM
Detroit's only about 4 hours or so from Toronto as well, but still, fuck that.

Steev
12-07-2013, 05:21 PM
When they did AC they said it was so fans from Europe wouldn't have to travel so far

awoodz92
12-09-2013, 09:52 AM
So I'm confused by this news I guess... is Orion completely cancelled, or just not being hosted in Detroit?

Steev
12-09-2013, 10:17 AM
So I'm confused by this news I guess... is Orion completely cancelled, or just not being hosted in Detroit?

Cancelled

Dextrimental
12-09-2013, 10:29 AM
This, honestly they mentioned before that it wasn't working out for them financially. I would have to put the blame on part of the lineup. If they had done a festival with more rock and metal acts it may have sold better. Look at festivals like Rock on the Range, Carolina Rebellion, Aftershock, etc. those all do well every year with bands alot less popular than Metallica. You can't expect fans of Metallica to be enthused about a festival with Modest Mouse and Bassnectar. They overshot the whole thing. When it was in Atlantic City it did pretty well, but they waited months to announce heavier acts. The initial lineup was pretty disappointing and like apparently many others I didn't bother with it. They could easily do a festival and make alot of money, just do one that Metallica fans would actually want to see.

Metallica probably thought if they made them playing a once off, they'd have the same sort of draw they would in Europe, but it just didn't work. US market isn't strong enough for any metal band to pull that off.

Sucks, I really like the idea of that kind of festival, like Reading and Leeds with a real varied line up.

detuned
01-30-2014, 08:35 AM
METALLICA's JAMES HETFIELD Says ORION MUSIC + MORE Festival Has Been A Financial 'Disaster' (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-james-hetfield-says-orion-music-more-festival-has-been-a-financial-disaster/)
On January 27, Don Jantzen of the KTBZ-FM (also known as 94.5 The Buzz) alternative rock radio station in Houston, Texas conducted an interview with METALLICA guitarist/vocalist James Hetfield. You can now listen to the chat using the SoundCloud widget below.

Asked when METALLICA fans in the United States can expect to see the band on the road here again, Hetfield said: "You know what? We keep going back to Europe for summer festivals. People keep offering us headline spots over there. [We're going to] South America this year."

He continued: "I don't know what's happening the States.

"The States has gotta step up and want their music.

"I'm not sure what's going on in the States as far as rock and metal goes and concert-wise, but there's not really any willingness to get a big show out there and make it worthwhile to actually get out there and play. You see other bands gathering up six different bands just to go out and play.

"It's pretty tough in North America."

He added: "Right now, it seems like metal is struggling a little bit in the States. Obviously, the Orion [Music + More] festival that we had tried to do the last couple of years has really not been… Gosh, it's been a disaster financially, and it's not able to happen again because of that. So it's a bummer. So, you know, we're doing what we can to keep being alive here. And I hope to get out and play in the States. It seems like forever since we've been out and about. You know, we've hit the coasts and we've done TV stuff and things like that. But it will happen again. So hopefully, to get your fix, you're able to get the ['Metallica Through The Never'] DVD and sit there and headbang with your friends."

Last June's Orion event at Belle Isle in Detroit drew at least 40,000 people over the course of two days to see METALLICA, RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS, DEFTONES, SILVERSUN PICKUPS, RISE AGAINST and more.

The band moved the event to Detroit after holding the inaugural edition in Atlantic City, New Jersey in 2012.

METALLICA was previously said to be contracted to host the band's Orion Music + More festival for two more years in Detroit, according to MLive.com.

Drummer Lars Ulrich said last year in a radio interview, "Detroit was a great experience. We'd love to bring this thing back to Detroit. We've gotta sit down and look at the practical parts of it… It's not an easy thing to launch a festival, but we've had a lot of fun the last two years doing it, and we hope to bring it back to Detroit."

METALLICA surprised fans at Orion Music + More on June 8, 2013 by playing its 1983 debut disc "Kill 'Em All" from beginning to end on a smaller stage at the event. METALLICA was officially announced to play a headlining set on June 9 to close out the festival, but hit the stage at 4:30 p.m. one day earlier for a 10-song set that started with "Hit The Lights" and finished out with "Metal Militia".

The afternoon slot was officially taken by an "act" called DEHAAN — which METALLICA fans may have recognized as the name of actor Dane DeHaan, who is starring in the band's 3D movie, "Metallica Through The Never". Another hint was dropped when Hetfield posted a message on Instagram which read, "Don't miss Dehaan! #MUYA #mff #UwillRegretMissingThem #IfUdoUmightKillEmAll #winkWink #getIt?"

Hetfield came onstage first to introduce "DEHAAN," after which the rest of the members of METALLICA came out and began playing.

At the first Orion festival in 2012, METALLICA played both 1991's self-titled "black album" and 1984's "Ride The Lightning" in their entirety on separate nights.

Steev
01-30-2014, 08:48 AM
If they'd just do a metal tour they'd make money, they tried way to hard to diversify the Orion shows

dcmetal108
01-30-2014, 09:02 AM
I wish they'd say what make it a financial disaster.

DisposableJustice
01-30-2014, 09:25 AM
I agree that if they did a proper tour of North America they would do very well it has been 5 years; or do another Summer Sanitarium I feel like that could be a huge draw if they can get a great supporting cast

Steev
01-30-2014, 10:04 AM
I agree that if they did a proper tour of North America they would do very well it has been 5 years; or do another Summer Sanitarium I feel like that could be a huge draw if they can get a great supporting cast

So many rock festivals do well with headliners to just barely hitthe arena level, I agree Summer Sanitarium would work because honestly they booked bands that the fringe fans would want to see(and you need them to fill the big places).

mankvill
01-30-2014, 10:29 AM
I wish they'd say what make it a financial disaster.

Detoilet

TonyD
01-30-2014, 10:55 AM
The attendance figures are a little unclear, 40,000 combined for Detroit and ~24,000 for Atlantic city, not sure if that means each day or combined.
Coachella, the American rock (or just non-EDM) festival standard, sold 90,000 three day passes to each weekend. By splitting it into two weekends, keeping it relatively close to LA during a good touring season and making it virtually as big as possible makes it really profitable.

300%_Density
01-30-2014, 12:09 PM
Detoilet

That gave me a great laugh.

DisposableJustice
01-30-2014, 03:02 PM
I hope they also keep in mind that a good majority of fans can't afford to travel really far, so unless you are near say Detroit or Atlantic City it can be a lot of dough to travel, tickets, food etc. When I saw them twice on the Death Magnetic run the areas (Pepsi Center in Denver and HP Pavilion in San Jose) weren't completely sold out but did have a good crowd. If they plan a proper tour and give the fans enough time to plan, they shouldn't have any problems drawing big crowds

marker
01-30-2014, 04:51 PM
I wish they'd say what make it a financial disaster.

Having to pay the Chili Peppers might have had something to do with it. And the others aren't exactly unheard of either. And yes Detroit was a shitty choice.

Any lengthy tour in the states would make them tons of cash, they can always have successful tours as far as I am concerned. I just think with them being a bit older now they pick the more profitable shows outside of the U.S..
They don't need to kill themselves with long tours anymore, sooner or later they'll do one again but who knows when.

mattlion
01-31-2014, 06:50 PM
They can say want they want, but they shot themselves in the foot a few ways:

1. Year 2 in Detroit. Um, no.
2. Not doing full headlining sets both nights. They know most of the people there would love this. It worked pretty well in AC.
3. Band choices. If you care about the money, you aren't going to fill out your lineup with hipster bands. You can't have it both ways. You can either bring more bands your fans like, or bring Lars' flavor of the month.
4. Festivals that work (in both Europe and the US) are held in the same spot at the same time every year and have a specific audience in mind.

Steev
01-31-2014, 08:11 PM
They can say want they want, but they shot themselves in the foot a few ways:

1. Year 2 in Detroit. Um, no.
2. Not doing full headlining sets both nights. They know most of the people there would love this. It worked pretty well in AC.
3. Band choices. If you care about the money, you aren't going to fill out your lineup with hipster bands. You can't have it both ways. You can either bring more bands your fans like, or bring Lars' flavor of the month.
4. Festivals that work (in both Europe and the US) are held in the same spot at the same time every year and have a specific audience in mind.

Exactly, Rock on the Range hasn't had a band of Metallica's popularity yet they sell the festival out every year.

DisposableJustice
01-31-2014, 10:54 PM
In the last 5-8 years because they are so big they have gotten smart about tour routing and spacing; instead of plowing through a 6 month haul of week to week touring they have been doing the 2-3 weeks, take 1-2 week break, another 2-3 week tour, another break. I think I can speak for a majority of North American fans who are chopping at the bit for a tour, even if there is no new album to support it.

PVH5150
02-01-2014, 05:38 AM
They can say want they want, but they shot themselves in the foot a few ways:

1. Year 2 in Detroit. Um, no.
2. Not doing full headlining sets both nights. They know most of the people there would love this. It worked pretty well in AC.
3. Band choices. If you care about the money, you aren't going to fill out your lineup with hipster bands. You can't have it both ways. You can either bring more bands your fans like, or bring Lars' flavor of the month.
4. Festivals that work (in both Europe and the US) are held in the same spot at the same time every year and have a specific audience in mind.

5. Not playing AJFA in its entirety and not announcing beforehand they were playing KEA in its entirety. That would've brought in a ton more people.

"YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO SEE THESE 2 RECORDS PLAYED IN THEIR ENTIRETY IN HONOR OF THEIR 30TH & 25TH ANNIVERSARIES"

El Gordo
02-02-2014, 06:27 AM
He added: "Right now, it seems like metal is struggling a little bit in the States. Obviously, the Orion [Music + More] festival that we had tried to do the last couple of years has really not been… Gosh, it's been a disaster financially, and it's not able to happen again because of that. So it's a bummer. So, you know, we're doing what we can to keep being alive here. And I hope to get out and play in the States. It seems like forever since we've been out and about. You know, we've hit the coasts and we've done TV stuff and things like that. But it will happen again. So hopefully, to get your fix, you're able to get the ['Metallica Through The Never'] DVD and sit there and headbang with your friends."

Kind of funny that he said this when Orion wasn't a metal festival. Metallica keep shooting themselves in the foot because they think they can take a dump on a plate and people will pay money for it. Keep it simple, record an album, go on tour, people will likely pay for it wherever they are. These guys are so out of touch with the metal scene since they're barely even part of it anymore and they're obviously surrounded by a few too many yes-men.

TonyD
02-02-2014, 11:44 PM
100% agreed with the two above posts