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treghet
10-30-2012, 09:44 AM
According to Reuters, Poland's Supreme Court has ruled that Adam "Nergal" Darski, frontman for Polish extreme metallers BEHEMOTH, committed a crime when when he called the Catholic Church "the most murderous cult on the planet" during the band's September 2007 performance in Gdynia and tore up a copy of the Bible, calling it "a book of lies."

A lower court will now decide if Darski is guilty of the crime, which carries a maximum sentence of two years in jail.

"[The decision] is negative and restricts the freedom of speech. The court decided that this is allowed in a democratic system," Jacek Potulski, a lawyer for Darski, told Reuters.

He added, "We are still arguing that we were dealing with art, which allows more critical and radical statements."

Ryszard Nowak, chairman of the privately run Nationwide Defence Committee Against Sects, told Polish television about today's court ruling, "The Supreme Court said clearly that there are limits for artists which cannot be crossed."

Back in August 2011, a Polish judge ruled that Darski's ripping up of a Bible during a show was a form of artistic expression consistent with the style of his band.

Judge Krzysztof Wieckowski said he considered Darski's actions "a form of art." He added that the court had no intention of limiting freedom of expression or the right to criticize religion.

The court said audience members who testified said their religious feelings had not been hurt despite the fact they were Christians.

After the 2007 incident, Nowak sued BEHEMOTH for promoting Satanism. Although a court expert witness on religious matters said that the act of destroying the Holy Bible could offend somebody's religious feelings, the case was discontinued because no one except Nowak accused BEHEMOTH of insulting their religious beliefs. (Under Polish law, there must be at least two formal complaints before a charge is laid. The previous complaint was made in 2008, and recently an unspecified number of other complaints had been filed.)

In a 2009 interview with Decibel magazine, BEHEMOTH bassist Tomasz "Orion" Wróblewski explained that the Bible-tearing incident was by no means a spontaneous outburst. "We'd been doing that for two years on tour before it happened in Poland," he said. "So, we had discussed it many times before. A BEHEMOTH show is a BEHEMOTH show, and BEHEMOTH fans are coming to a BEHEMOTH show. BEHEMOTH fans know what BEHEMOTH is about, know what the lyrics are about, and know at least a little of the philosophy behind the band. So, it's kind of surprising that there are people coming to the shows and feeling offended with what we do onstage. If such a person comes to a show, he comes with the purpose of being offended, I guess, and it shouldn't be like that. We're not offending any particular person. We're just offending the religion that we've been raised in."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=181537

ravenheart
10-30-2012, 09:47 AM
I have friends in Poland, and everything they ever tell me about the government and laws there sounds more and more communist every time...

RampinUp46
10-30-2012, 10:44 AM
Jesus Christ, not this shit again...

AnataFan4Life
10-30-2012, 10:45 AM
Forget rapists, murderers, and drug lords, tearing up a fucking book is a much more serious crime :tp:

Indestructible
10-30-2012, 11:19 AM
No physical harm to anyone, no crime, no case.

ravenheart
10-30-2012, 11:45 AM
No physical harm to anyone, no crime, no case.

Seriously, exactly how many times is you need telling that laws are different in different countries?

illuminatus917
10-30-2012, 03:10 PM
I think the concept of sovereignty escapes him.

Indestructible
10-30-2012, 04:20 PM
I think logic escapes most people and the justice system these days.

Indestructible
10-30-2012, 04:22 PM
He ripped a fucking bible in half, please explain to me how anyone has the right to arrest him. I don't care what fucking country he was in, he did nothing wrong.

IrritatedTrout
10-30-2012, 04:34 PM
Wrong and illegal may well be two different things.

AnthG
10-30-2012, 04:35 PM
He ripped a fucking bible in half, please explain to me how anyone has the right to arrest him. I don't care what fucking country he was in, he did nothing wrong.

While I believe it's sucks that he's being arrested for ripping up a book of fictional stories in half, if it's a law (which I assume was a law before Nergal did this), then they have the right to arrest him. I mean, they could have a law that you can't wear green on consecutive Thursdays, and if someone wore green on consecutive Thursdays, they have the right to arrest that person regardless of how shitty the crime is.

ShatteredFlame
10-30-2012, 05:39 PM
https://twitter.com/DumbestLaws

take note

ravenheart
10-30-2012, 06:03 PM
He ripped a fucking bible in half, please explain to me how anyone has the right to arrest him. I don't care what fucking country he was in, he did nothing wrong.

This is the fundamental thing you consistently fail to understand. They have the right to arrest him because in that country what he did is illegal. Nobody cares if you, I, or the Dalai Lama thinks it's a stupid law. The only thing that matters is that it is law.

You also seem to like misrepresenting what a justice system is. It's there to protect people who didn't wilfully break any laws and prosecute the people who did, not give people who did a means to challenge the sense of the particular law they decided to break.

MPF
10-30-2012, 06:10 PM
This is the fundamental thing you consistently fail to understand. They have the right to arrest him because in that country what he did is illegal. Nobody cares if you, I, or the Dalai Lama thinks it's a stupid law. The only thing that matters is that it is law.

As usual, you are right.

It's Polish Law, not American, Not British, Not Russian. It's Polish law. We can't control their laws unless someone finds some reason to go to war with them and we win *which would be fucking stupid*.

As shitty of a law this is, Nergal may be going to Prison. That's how life works sometimes.

dcmetal108
10-30-2012, 07:26 PM
First Randy now him :(.

MPF
10-30-2012, 08:35 PM
First Randy now him :(.

Actually it was Nergal first, then Randy. Nergal was getting court issues for this a couple years ago right before the cancer set in.

OraclesofAgony
10-30-2012, 08:52 PM
Stupid Poles.

elturtleboy
10-30-2012, 08:58 PM
Poor dude just got better.

dcmetal108
10-30-2012, 09:37 PM
Actually it was Nergal first, then Randy. Nergal was getting court issues for this a couple years ago right before the cancer set in.

I know. I meant the fact that they could actually face prison time. This is the first that they said he could face time, Randy won't know if he does till Dec.

Natrlhi
10-30-2012, 10:23 PM
This is such old news. I can't believe this issue is still haunting him after all this time.

If I had an in-law suite or something like that, I'd write to Nergal and tell him to come stay with me until these idiots forget about this stupid bullshit.

daimonos
10-30-2012, 11:22 PM
He's kind of a sellout anyways.

OraclesofAgony
10-30-2012, 11:39 PM
He's kind of a sellout anyways.

derp

ravenheart
10-31-2012, 12:03 AM
Maybe it's all a huge mistake and they meant to arrest Nermal, Garfield's friend.

daimonos
10-31-2012, 12:15 AM
derp

His book should be titled "Cashing in on Cancer".

BlashyrkhMR101
10-31-2012, 10:19 AM
As stupid as it is that what he did is illegal, there isn't anything wrong with artistic expression. Laws tend to not make any sense sometimes. For example, marijuana is illegal in the US and other countries. However, alcohol and cigarettes are not. In fact alcohol is glamorized despite its danger.

SomewhereInTime72
11-01-2012, 10:02 AM
Why is Poland the worst...

AnataFan4Life
11-03-2012, 10:11 AM
http://euobserver.com/culture/118072

The European commission aren't too happy about this.