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Beaner666
07-21-2012, 11:10 AM
Venue: Medusa’s
Tour: Beneath the Remains
Support: Obituary & Sadus

OBITUARY
Deadly Intentions
Turned Inside Out
Find the Arise
Internal Bleeding
Bloodsoaked
Dying
Cause of Death
Memories Remain
Circle of the Tyrants
Slowly We Rot
Words of Evil

SEPULTURA
Primitive Future
Inner Self
Mass Hypnosis
Troops of Doom
Stronger Than Hate
Slaves of Pain
Orgasmatron
Escape to the Void
Sarcastic Existence
Murder
Antichrist
Symptom of the Universe
Encore:
Polícia
Beneath the Remains

I recently ran across an old box of some of my old cassette bootlegs. I’ve had the luxury to occasionally track down shows I actually went to, in fact, this is usually my main criteria when looking for bootlegs. Anyway, I can confirm the set list from the bootleg, but in addition to the bootleg I did actually go to this show. Pease bear with me if there are any inaccuracies as this was over 20 years ago. Also, the number one thing I remember about this show is how incredibly crowded the venue was so please excuse me if this review sounds more about the capacity than the show itself:

When we first got to the venue there was already a line a block or so long, but this was common for shows back then, people always showed up super early to shows even though you could theoretically show up at the last second and “muscle” your way to the front. It was more or less just an excuse to socialize before the show. The first thing I noticed upon taking my place in line was that security seemed a little “extra anxious.” While security was always super tight at these smaller underground club shows, they seemed a little extra on edge this time. I then overheard some of the bouncers saying amongst themselves something about “700 pre-sale.”

Even though advance tickets were available at Ticketmaster, most people still waited till the day of the show and simply bought “at the door,” so a large pre-sale was pretty significant. Also, the “700 pre-sale” was probably already at, or possibly even over the legal capacity of the venue. I have no idea what the legal capacity was, but it was definitely exceeded that night. More on that later:

Anyway, despite the long line we had gotten there early enough to be inside before the show actually started so I did catch all three bands. I did catch Sadus and I do remember liking them, but like most of the crowd I was mainly there for Sepultura and Obituary. People were still trickling in during Sadus’ set so the venue wasn’t insanely packed yet, but that was soon to change as by the time Obituary took the stage we were all sandwiched in like sardines in a trash compactor.

Back in the late 80’s and early 90’s circle pits were all the rage and when Obituary started played the venue damn near exploded. Despite the fact that circle pits were popular back then, the place was literally so crowded there was no room for a true circle pit, instead the entire floor just kinda swayed back and forth and left and right. There were some attempts to start pits but they were unsuccessful, it just wound up being a lot of pushing and shoving. Unfortunately during Obituary I got elbowed in the mouth and got my upper lip busted open and I couldn’t take the crush of the crowd anymore so I said “f--- it” and went to the back bar and got an OJ (I was only 18 at the time, so I couldn’t drink, plus the venue was a juice bar anyway.) Unfortunately, even in the back it was still wall to wall people with no breathing room!

Obituary was touring for “Cause of Death” and before anyone asks, in an “I wish I knew then, what I know now” moment I was totally oblivious as to whether or not James Murphy was still with Obituary at this time. Even if I did care at the time there was no way to really tell: Between the venue having somewhat of a low stage, the venue being totally over-sold, and my own short stature (I’m only five foot, five inches tall) I could barely even see the stage. Even before I took shelter in the back of the room, when I was attempting to get close I could only make it about half-way to the front and even at my best sight-line all I could see over the crowd of the band was the top’s of everyone’s head’s, but not their faces. Going back and listening to the bootleg I feel secure saying that James Murphy was still with them at this point, but I freely admit I could be wrong.

The one thing that surprised me most about the show was that were actually more people there for Obituary than Sepultura. There wasn’t a mass exodus or anything like that, but a significant amount of people did leave after Obituary. Unfortunately the venue was so ridiculously over-sold the place just went from “total fire code violation” to “minor fire code violation.”

Like I said during Obituary it was so crowded that everyone on the floor just kinda swayed back and forth, well I guess it was also so crowded the crush of the crowd almost knocked over the venue’s PA! Before Sepultura took stage either the head of security or the show promoter came onstage and A) begged everyone to “take a step back” and B) threatened to cancel the rest of the show if we didn’t. I remember he also explained how the PA almost came down, and that if you were the person responsible you would have 899 people pissed off at you. So I guess in addition to the 700 pre-sale they sold another 200 at the door and capped the show off at 900. Like I said earlier I don’t know what the legal capacity of the venue was, but it was definitely not 900! Once again sorry to keep harping about the capacity, but I’m 40 now and I’ve been going to concerts since I was 13 and this show had to be the most dangerously over-sold show that I ever went to.

By the time Sepultura took the stage myself and most of the crowd seemed out of it. They did put on a great show, but the energy level in the room was just not as high as it was for Obituary. Also, more people continued to trickle out. I’m not sure if they were Obituary fans who just wanted to catch a few Sepultura songs before they bailed or if they were just “walking wounded” and completely worn out.

Sepultura69
07-21-2012, 11:38 AM
Crazy story. :eek:

Too bad people were leaving while sepultura performed a huge portion of their greatest work. :bouville:

RampinUp46
07-21-2012, 03:58 PM
Those setlists...holy fuck.

This show wouldn't happen to be on the internet, would it? And is it a video or audio cassette?

Beaner666
07-21-2012, 05:20 PM
Those setlists...holy fuck.

This show wouldn't happen to be on the internet, would it? And is it a video or audio cassette?

To the best of my knowledge this show is not on the net. I have this on audio cassette (no video) and I don't have any means to transfer it to digital media right now, sorry.

bobbie solo
07-21-2012, 09:42 PM
i do audio production at several radio stations in NYC. i can easily transfer the cassette to mp3/flac etc. PM me if you want to send it to me.

treghet
07-22-2012, 02:22 AM
Thank you for posting this! That sounds like an incredible show, even though it was probably so cramped you could hardly breathe. Those sets are incredible. Beneath the Remains is my favorite Sepultura album and Cause of Death is my favorite Obituary album, so this tour is pretty much a dream in my book. It would have been cool if Sepultura played another song or two from Schizophrenia, but I would die happy with it just as it is.

Beaner666
07-22-2012, 11:29 AM
i do audio production at several radio stations in NYC. i can easily transfer the cassette to mp3/flac etc. PM me if you want to send it to me.

I still have a working cassette tape deck and I recently downloaded a freeware version of AUDIOGRABBER. What kind of cables do I need to hook up my tape deck to my PC? I recently dug up a box of old bootleg cassette tapes so I do want to try to transfer them myself since I have a bunch of shows I’d like to convert. My main roadblock right now is that I am out of work, so I can’t afford to buy new cables, or even afford postage to mail anyone copies of the show.

bobbie solo
07-22-2012, 08:50 PM
something like this...

http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/record-2-pc/

Zla Vydra
07-23-2012, 10:48 AM
Thanks for posting that. I saw that tour in Austin when I was a sophomore at the Univ. of Texas. It's cool that there was a big crowd in Chicago, because, as was usually the case, there definitely was not in Austin. There might have been 100-150 people at the Back Room (now, I believe, the site of Emo's East). I don't remember that much about the show except:
1) Everyone hated or ignored Sadus
2) I was disappointed that Obituary didn't play Body Bag
3) Igor played fast as fuck and it seemed like Max was on speed.

RampinUp46
07-23-2012, 08:09 PM
Thanks for posting that. I saw that tour in Austin when I was a sophomore at the Univ. of Texas. It's cool that there was a big crowd in Chicago, because, as was usually the case, there definitely was not in Austin. There might have been 100-150 people at the Back Room (now, I believe, the site of Emo's East). I don't remember that much about the show except:
1) Everyone hated or ignored Sadus
2) I was disappointed that Obituary didn't play Body Bag
3) Igor played fast as fuck and it seemed like Max was on speed.

I saw Cavalera Conspiracy on their Fall 2011 tour at Emo's East (you were correct about the Back Room being there once) and noticed a lot of similar aspects - most notably the small crowd...except the band almost everyone hated was Otep. For about 35 - 50 people, a little under a third of them were Otep fans - everyone else had their arms crossed or were drinking heavily. I even asked myself why the hell Max had Otep on that tour (I personally don't mind them at all, but after hearing the stories about Otep's attitude, it's harder to defend the band as well as I used to) to begin with.

Igor still plays fast as fuck, but Max seemed out of breath at times and was more focused on his guitar. I later found out that one of the security guards got Max's dreadlock when it fell on the floor while he was headbanging. All those jokes about Max looking like he never bathes just got a whole lot funnier...or disgusting, depending on how you look at it. :lol:

Wrecking Crew
07-24-2012, 07:44 AM
Damn, I would have loved to see this but I lived a million miles from anywhere at the time and didn't hear about any of the smaller touring shows since the internet didn't exist yet. The closest I got to a Sepultura show was watching the Arise tour video that came out, this setlist is much cooler. You can record cassettes to PC with a standard tape deck and a 2 RCA - headphone jack stereo cable too and something like Goldwave, I would love to hear this.

Beaner666
07-24-2012, 09:25 AM
something like this...

http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/record-2-pc/

Unfortunately I do not have, and cannot afford anything like the cable shown in the link. I am out of work right now so even if it is super-cheap it is still beyond my means. Also my PC is old and outdated and I don’t meet the minimum system requirements listed for the software that comes with it. It says you need 1GB RAM, and Windows Vista or Windows 7 and I have 512MB RAM and Windows XP. I will still somehow try to transfer my old bootlegs to digital, but it will take some time, please be patient.

Beaner666
07-24-2012, 09:28 AM
Thanks for posting that. I saw that tour in Austin when I was a sophomore at the Univ. of Texas. It's cool that there was a big crowd in Chicago, because, as was usually the case, there definitely was not in Austin. There might have been 100-150 people at the Back Room (now, I believe, the site of Emo's East). I don't remember that much about the show except:
1) Everyone hated or ignored Sadus
2) I was disappointed that Obituary didn't play Body Bag
3) Igor played fast as fuck and it seemed like Max was on speed.

I can’t believe the Austin show was so empty. Was it 21 & over? The Chicago show was all ages and 90% of the crowd was definitely under 21 so if the Austin show was age restricted I can see that making a big impact on the size of the crowd. I understand Austin is smaller than Chicago, but I was under the impression that Austin is still pretty big. From what I have heard over the years I was under the impression the “SOS Tour” did pretty well in other cities other than Chicago. I know they played Milwaukee the night before Chicago and I heard that show was at the much larger Eagles Ballroom. From what I heard it wasn’t sold out or anything, but the Eagles Ballroom is huge and is part of a multi-venue complex and is the largest room in the venue and I can only assume if the show drew poorly it would have been in one of the smaller halls.

PS: at the Chicago show, during Obituary everyone was chanting for “Body Bag” too!

bobbie solo
07-24-2012, 06:26 PM
Unfortunately I do not have, and cannot afford anything like the cable shown in the link. I am out of work right now so even if it is super-cheap it is still beyond my means. Also my PC is old and outdated and I don’t meet the minimum system requirements listed for the software that comes with it. It says you need 1GB RAM, and Windows Vista or Windows 7 and I have 512MB RAM and Windows XP. I will still somehow try to transfer my old bootlegs to digital, but it will take some time, please be patient.

ok, so send it to me.

Beaner666
07-25-2012, 11:57 AM
ok, so send it to me.

Um, ‘cuz I’m broke, as in so broke I can’t even afford postage. Sorry if this comes off as dick-ish, but I’m not gonna mail you my only copy. I can’t afford blank tapes to make an extra copy and as I stated I can’t even afford postage right now regardless.

The good news is I finally found a cable that works. I found a cable with RCA jacks on one end and a mini-headphone jack on the other end. I was able to run the line out from my tape deck to the microphone jack to my PC. I started with the Obituary set first since it is shorter and it is currently a “work in progress,” but the free software I downloaded to capture, edit and convert the files is being a little tricky. Since it a live show and there are no breaks (crowd noise throughout) I had originally planned on just capturing the show as one giant track and then splitting the tracks afterwards so I can break up the songs in the right spot.

Unfortunately, while the program I used does allow you to split up tracks, it only does so “on the fly” and not afterwards as I had hoped. I’m gonna see if I can work around this, but I may need to re-start from scratch. Give me a few days to try and figure something out. I will get this done, I swear, just please give me some time and please be patient.

Wrecking Crew
07-25-2012, 02:02 PM
You can record cassettes to PC with a standard tape deck and a 2 RCA - headphone jack stereo cable too and something like Goldwave, I would love to hear this.

That's the cable I meant, I was hoping you already had one. I would recommend Goldwave (shareware), it will let you record the whole tape as one big file and then you can copy selected portions of the big file into their own separate files. It's very quick and easy and how I converted a few files in the past.

Beaner666
07-25-2012, 02:17 PM
That's the cable I meant, I was hoping you already had one. I would recommend Goldwave (shareware), it will let you record the whole tape as one big file and then you can copy selected portions of the big file into their own separate files. It's very quick and easy and how I converted a few files in the past.

I finally figured out how to split the tracks using the program I already have (Audiograbber). I just had to do a few extra steps and jump through a few extra hoops, but finally I managed it. This is my first time taking an old cassette tape and converting it to digital media so it's a bit of a learning process for me (trial and error). I'll look into Goldwave for the future, but I'm already about halfway through with this project so I'll just tough it out with what I have.

Being broke sucks, if I could afford to mail bobbie solo a copy and let him deal with converting it I would, this is already giving me a headache, but I'm learning how to do something new and when I'm done I can share the show so its worth it!

Beaner666
07-25-2012, 07:46 PM
OK, I’m done with the Obituary portion of the show, but first I have to ask:

Are we allowed to post links to bootlegs on this board?

I kinda/sorta new to the board and I don’t want to be booted (no pun intended).

brutal_descent
07-25-2012, 07:55 PM
OK, I’m done with the Obituary portion of the show, but first I have to ask:

Are we allowed to post links to bootlegs on this board?

I kinda/sorta new to the board and I don’t want to be booted (no pun intended).

Bootlegs are OK.

Beaner666
07-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Obituary -- Chicago, IL -- December 9th, 1990

http://depositfiles.com/files/kt6jmrgg8

Zla Vydra
07-26-2012, 07:09 AM
I can’t believe the Austin show was so empty. Was it 21 & over? The Chicago show was all ages and 90% of the crowd was definitely under 21 so if the Austin show was age restricted I can see that making a big impact on the size of the crowd. I understand Austin is smaller than Chicago, but I was under the impression that Austin is still pretty big. From what I have heard over the years I was under the impression the “SOS Tour” did pretty well in other cities other than Chicago. I know they played Milwaukee the night before Chicago and I heard that show was at the much larger Eagles Ballroom. From what I heard it wasn’t sold out or anything, but the Eagles Ballroom is huge and is part of a multi-venue complex and is the largest room in the venue and I can only assume if the show drew poorly it would have been in one of the smaller halls.

PS: at the Chicago show, during Obituary everyone was chanting for “Body Bag” too!

There are a couple of reasons I can think of for the sparse attendance:
1) They might have played San Antonio as well (75 miles away and a much bigger, better metal scene, with dudes from Mexico more likely to show up);
2) Austin just sucked for metal shows back then (and might still now - I don't know). The only packed club show I can remember was Kreator/Blitzspeer/Morgoth in the spring of 1991 on the Coma of Souls tour. I saw Candlemass with about 25 other people, Annihilator with about 40, etc., at the same venue. The poplulation of the city was much smaller then - about 500k, compared to about 1.2 million now.

Beaner666
07-27-2012, 11:24 AM
Has anyone had a chance to download the Obituary set yet? It was my first time taking an old tape and converting it to digital media so I was just making sure I did everything OK before I move on to the Sepultura set. Let me know if I f’d anything up or if I did it right and can proceed forward and do the same with the Sepultura set. Thanks in advance!

Wrecking Crew
07-27-2012, 02:34 PM
Has anyone had a chance to download the Obituary set yet? It was my first time taking an old tape and converting it to digital media so I was just making sure I did everything OK before I move on to the Sepultura set. Let me know if I f’d anything up or if I did it right and can proceed forward and do the same with the Sepultura set. Thanks in advance!

We're probably just all waiting for the Sepultura set :D

RampinUp46
07-27-2012, 08:44 PM
Has anyone had a chance to download the Obituary set yet? It was my first time taking an old tape and converting it to digital media so I was just making sure I did everything OK before I move on to the Sepultura set. Let me know if I f’d anything up or if I did it right and can proceed forward and do the same with the Sepultura set. Thanks in advance!

Is it possible to upload it to YouTube by any chance? I'd tell you, but I don't trust download bootlegs anymore (the last one I downloaded fucked my last computer to shit - it still hasn't been fixed because I have no real money).

Beaner666
07-27-2012, 09:06 PM
We're probably just all waiting for the Sepultura set :D

Here it is!

http://www.filefactory.com/file/6ab63qwllx9d/n/Sepultura_--_Chicago_IL_--_December_9th_1990_flac_.rar

Beaner666
07-27-2012, 09:25 PM
Is it possible to upload it to YouTube by any chance? I'd tell you, but I don't trust download bootlegs anymore (the last one I downloaded fucked my last computer to shit - it still hasn't been fixed because I have no real money).

Give me another day or two. YouTube won't let you upload without a Google account and I don't have one so I need to set up an account from scratch. The main reason I used Deposit Files and File Factory was 'cuz I could just "upload & go" without having to sign up for anything.

Beaner666
07-28-2012, 01:45 PM
RampinUp46,

I really want to be helpful and upload this stuff to YouTube, but YouTube is being a royal pain in the ass.

First off, when I signed up for YouTube since they are now part of the Google Empire I was forced into creating a Gmail account as well as a Google+ account in addition to the YouTube account. A little aggravating, but not too serious. It’s just I have a pet peeve about being forced into signing up for services I don’t want or need. All I wanted was a YouTube account; I already have a few separate email accounts for various needs: one for friends & family, one for job hunting and one for spam & porn - I don’t need anymore! As for social networking I am totally happy with Facebook. I do have a few friends using Google+, but they keyword there is “few” and those few still use Facebook anyway, I don’t need or want Google+!

Once I was done with creating my Google Empire account I ran into more problems: YouTube wouldn’t accept the files since I used FLAC, so now I need to re-encode the files as MP3. I realize these are bootlegs and are “inferior” quality to begin with and using a lossless codec may seem a bit redundant, but the reason I choose FLAC is that if you decide to burn the show to an old school CD there won't be any gaps between the songs so if you listen to the CD on a real stereo and not the PC the songs will segue and blend in like one giant song like a professional live CD … well, as professional as an audience bootleg can be.

I already went through the trouble of creating the YouTube account, so I will upload it eventually, but please give me another few days since I need to re-encode the files.

In the meantime, while I understand your trepidation on downloading from the links I already provided, I can assure you they are virus free. They were clean on my end, so as long as Deposit Files and File Factory aren’t tacking anything on you should be fine. But the keyword there is “should” - I’m not taking any responsibility if you get whacked again.

ShatteredFlame
07-28-2012, 02:25 PM
Don't bother making an MP3. Youtube just doesn't accept audio files. You would have to upload it as a video, which isn't hard just tack the audio into your computers basic video editing program (windows has windows movie maker and macs have iMovie, Final Cut or Quicktime Video) and just export the project with like an image in the videos place. The file would then be in a video container that you can upload to youtube.

Here's help with that:
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/static.py?hl=en&guide=1728585&page=guide.cs

I'm not sure if that link will work for you, if it doesn't go to the upload page on youtube and click the encoding help link.