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GarageMetal468
04-21-2012, 10:29 PM
Fun show! I went inside as soon as Pig Champion, an awesome local Chicago hardcore group came on and as usual, they were crazy as all hell. As soon as they started the singer did his usual thing of bashing the mic into his forehead so he had blood dripping down from his head the whole time. All those guys are fucking nutcases on stage but the nicest people off stage. I'm glad these guys got a spot on this show, they deserve a lot of attention.

Next up was another local band called Skinwalker. I actually enjoyed them. They were a combination of thrash with power metal song structures as well. Can't really think of what to call them, all I can say is that I probably wouldn't enjoy listening to them all the time but they did put on a great show. And they did a cover of Dio's "The Last In Line", that was cool.

Havok were next and I really don't like them. This was my 3rd time seeing them and they played the exact same set when they opened for Exhumed last fall, minus a couple songs. They do have a great live show, I'll give them that but I really don't like their music all too much.

Havok:

No Amnesty
Fatal Intervention
Morbid Symmetry
D.O.A.
Covering Fire
Afterburner

And shortly after they were done I discovered one of my new favorite live bands and will do whatever I can to see them every time they come near by: KRISIUN. HOLY FUCK. I was anticipating them to be awesome but they blew those expectations away. Mother of fucking god. I don't even know how to put it into words... all I can say is INTENSE. They stole the show, no doubt about it. They had some guitar problems for the first 2 songs, the drummer did a solo before "The Will to Potency" so something was going on. That guy is a beast. Also met all of them and got them to sign my copy of Southern Storm! Not 100% sure of the set, should've kept track but it doesn't really matter in the end because they were too good.

Krisiun:

Kings of Killing
The Will to Potency
Combustion Inferno
Descending Abomination
Hatred Inherit
Black Force Domain

Death Angel had been in the Chicago area at least 3 times in the past 2 years and this was actually my first time seeing them. I used to be big into The Ultra-Violence a couple years ago but lost interest since, but man I'm gonna have to give that another listen! They were fantastic! Lots of energy from all the members. No one was in the same spot for every song. The sound was great too. It took them a while to set up but it was worth the wait. I'm definitely gonna have to see them again next time they're back!

Death Angel:

I Chose the Sky
Mistress of Pain
Truce
Claws In So Deep
Evil Priest
Buried Alive
Relentless Revolution
Seemingly Endless Time
The Ultra-Violence (first couple minutes)
Thrown to the Wolves

The place cleared out after Death Angel were done, looked like a lot of people were there just to see them. That or one of two other things. One being that people can't accept the Sepultura line up as the "real" Sepultura, which is kinda bogus because they put on an awesome live show to this day. And they did tonight, which then leads me to the second thing. Their set list blew, HARD. Last year they played mostly classics with some newer songs thrown in. This year was the exact opposite. I left half way through because it wasn't worth sitting through waves of boring ass groove metal to hear "Arise" or "Inner Self", especially since I saw both early in the set last year. The set is from setlist.fm from a previous date, and it's not any different. I highly doubt they'd pull out another song from Beneath the Remains just for our date. Take a look and commence the :barf:

Sepultura:

Dark Wood of Error
Refuse/Resist
Kairos
Relentless
Dead Embryonic Cells
Convicted in Life
Dialog
Attitude
Choke
Mask
Septic Schizo / Escape to the Void
Sepulnation
Subtraction
Just One Fix(Ministry cover)
Territory
Inner Self
Arise
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Ratamahatta
Roots Bloody Roots

Overall, it was a great show and if it's coming through to your area I suggest going for Death Angel and Krisiun. Again, Sepultura are great live but god damn, that set was awful.

mankvill
04-21-2012, 11:31 PM
I'm only a casual fan, and even I know that Sepultura set is pretty bad.

MetalIsArt
04-22-2012, 12:33 AM
I'm only a casual fan, and even I know that Sepultura set is pretty bad.

True, nobody cares for the albums after Roots.

kalfitegrdan
04-22-2012, 12:34 AM
Skinwalker. I actually enjoyed them. They were a combination of thrash with power metal song structures as well


Really? I thought they were horrible. They sounded like recycled Bodom riffs with metalcore-ish breakdowns and Threat Signal type vocals to me. So, basically they just sounded like Threat Signal to me.

Anyway, for anyone who doubts that the set was the same as other stops, here's a picture of the set list.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii602/Kalfitegrdan/Sepultura.jpg?t=1335083274

GarageMetal468
04-22-2012, 07:06 AM
True, nobody cares for the albums after Roots.
Shit, I don't care about the albums after Arise but I get why people like Chaos A.D. and Roots. Why they would play anything after Roots is beyond me, no one wants to hear that.

Really? I thought they were horrible. They sounded like recycled Bodom riffs with metalcore-ish breakdowns and Threat Signal type vocals to me. So, basically they just sounded like Threat Signal to me.

I liked their live show. I definitely wouldn't listen to them outside of seeing them live.

John The Drummer
04-22-2012, 07:14 AM
Man, that is a terrible Sepultura set. It is too bad that they didn't pull out the set they did at one of their European gigs with almost nothing but classics.

*ahem MASS HYPNOSIS*

treghet
04-22-2012, 07:20 AM
Glad I didn't waste my money on this tour.

VoidFlame
04-22-2012, 07:22 AM
I might go for Krisiun, I really want to see them...

GarageMetal468
04-22-2012, 07:25 AM
I might go for Krisiun, I really want to see them...

Do it. Death Angel is also well worth your time and money!

dimmudan
04-22-2012, 07:36 AM
Guys I posted this on Friday but I guess no one saw it.

I leave town tomorrow for a week and have an Overkill ticket/invoice for Bottom Lounge in Chicago.

I am giving it away for free to anyone in the area who wants it can attend the show.

I live in Lisle and can either mail it. It should get to you by Wednesday or fax it. It does have my name on it but I can send an email from my account to yours for you to print showing that I have transferred the ticket to you.

I really wanted to go to this show but could not and would hate to see the ticket wasted.

If you want it, first email to danschacher@att.net gets it. Just put your metalsetlists.com screen name and Overkill in the title and let me know if you want to pick it up or for me to mail it or fax it to you. Dan

GarageMetal468
04-22-2012, 07:39 AM
Guys I posted this on Friday but I guess no one saw it.

I leave town tomorrow for a week and have an Overkill ticket/invoice for Bottom Lounge in Chicago.

I am giving it away for free to anyone in the area who wants it can attend the show.

I live in Lisle and can either mail it. It should get to you by Wednesday or fax it. It does have my name on it but I can send an email from my account to yours for you to print showing that I have transferred the ticket to you.

I really wanted to go to this show but could not and would hate to see the ticket wasted.

If you want it, first email to danschacher@att.net gets it. Just put your metalsetlists.com screen name and Overkill in the title and let me know if you want to pick it up or for me to mail it or fax it to you. Dan

Nah I saw it but I can't make it. Awesome offer though, hopefully someone takes you up on that.

VoidFlame
04-22-2012, 07:42 AM
Do it. Death Angel is also well worth your time and money!

That's what I thought. Last time I saw Sepultura, they were really fun too. If I'm still on strike at school next week, I'll be there for sure!

MetalIsArt
04-22-2012, 08:58 AM
Shit, I don't care about the albums after Arise but I get why people like Chaos A.D. and Roots. Why they would play anything after Roots is beyond me, no one wants to hear that.

Sepulnation is an ok song (but only if Igor drums it) Chaos AD has it's moments, and I don't like Roots. But, as it is the last "classic" Sep album...

Look, Kairos was announced as "teh best in years", "heavy" "trash" etc, but I heard only like 30 seconds and knew enough. Bad set, no matter how good they are live.

Nickweiser
04-22-2012, 11:45 AM
its honestly gotta really suck being Derrick Green. I kinda feel for the dude. He has basically lived under Max's shadow for several years and fans still want only stuff from the Max era. There have been a few bands where that have had memorable vocalists and when they lose em, the band still comes back with an equally good singer that fans eventually adapt too. Shit, it happened for George with Cannibal Corpse. But Derrick, my o my he must really hate Max!

treghet
04-22-2012, 12:08 PM
its honestly gotta really suck being Derrick Green. I kinda feel for the dude. He has basically lived under Max's shadow for several years and fans still want only stuff from the Max era. There have been a few bands where that have had memorable vocalists and when they lose em, the band still comes back with an equally good singer that fans eventually adapt too. Shit, it happened for George with Cannibal Corpse. But Derrick, my o my he must really hate Max!

It's not that he's a bad vocalist, the band just hasn't written any good songs in years. If they went back to writing good thrash metal after Max left then I don't think people would really care that they got a new vocalist.

MetalIsArt
04-23-2012, 12:54 AM
its honestly gotta really suck being Derrick Green. I kinda feel for the dude. He has basically lived under Max's shadow for several years and fans still want only stuff from the Max era. There have been a few bands where that have had memorable vocalists and when they lose em, the band still comes back with an equally good singer that fans eventually adapt too. Shit, it happened for George with Cannibal Corpse. But Derrick, my o my he must really hate Max!

Cannibal Corpse improved with Corpsegrinder imho.

MetalIsArt
04-23-2012, 12:56 AM
its honestly gotta really suck being Derrick Green. I kinda feel for the dude. He has basically lived under Max's shadow for several years and fans still want only stuff from the Max era. There have been a few bands where that have had memorable vocalists and when they lose em, the band still comes back with an equally good singer that fans eventually adapt too. Shit, it happened for George with Cannibal Corpse. But Derrick, my o my he must really hate Max!

Besides, the only reason that this version of Sepultura still exists is because of Kisser's stupid refusal to reform.

VoidFlame
04-23-2012, 03:39 AM
Besides, the only reason that this version of Sepultura still exists is because of Kisser's stupid refusal to reform.

Hmm, I don't know if you've ever seen Cavalera Conspiracy live... Max isn't who he used to be. He doesn't even play his guitar (he only does open notes with his volume turned down) and he doesn't have that much energy anymore. The new Sepultura line-up slays live, and I don't think that Sepultura with Max Cavalera would release an incredible album. Just look at the recent Soulfly and CC albums, it's nothing exceptional.

MetalIsArt
04-23-2012, 05:28 AM
Hmm, I don't know if you've ever seen Cavalera Conspiracy live... Max isn't who he used to be. He doesn't even play his guitar (he only does open notes with his volume turned down) and he doesn't have that much energy anymore. The new Sepultura line-up slays live, and I don't think that Sepultura with Max Cavalera would release an incredible album. Just look at the recent Soulfly and CC albums, it's nothing exceptional.

I haven't heard the second CC album, so I can't comment on that. I know that they "slay" live, but still. Both Sepultura & Soulfly will play at Rock Zottegem here in june (albeit on different days) and take my word for it: the latter will draw the biggest crowd.

The last few Soulfly records have been really good imho. And FYI: I stopped listening to Derrick Green's Sepultura when Igor left.

Blacktooth85
04-23-2012, 10:31 AM
Hmm, I don't know if you've ever seen Cavalera Conspiracy live... Max isn't who he used to be. He doesn't even play his guitar (he only does open notes with his volume turned down) and he doesn't have that much energy anymore. The new Sepultura line-up slays live, and I don't think that Sepultura with Max Cavalera would release an incredible album. Just look at the recent Soulfly and CC albums, it's nothing exceptional.

The new Soulfly album, "Enslaved" is killer. Probably Soulfly's best along with "Dark Ages." "Omen" was nothing special. Cavalera Conspiracy sounds kind of generic. The first album was alright... But i agree about Max live. It seems he has no interest anymore....

Natrlhi
04-24-2012, 01:34 PM
I'm only a casual fan, and even I know that Sepultura set is pretty bad.

True, nobody cares for the albums after Roots.

Man, that is a terrible Sepultura set.

Glad I didn't waste my money on this tour.

Some Stats:
Morbid Visions (1986) - Zero songs :(
Schizophrenia (1987) - 2 songs
Beneath the Remains (1989) - 1 song :(
Arise (1991) - 3 songs
Chaos A.D. (1993) - 2 songs
Roots (1996) - 3 songs :D
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Against (1998) - 1 song
Nation (2001) - 1 song
Roorback (2003) :barf: - Zero songs :D
Dante XXI (2006) :barf: - 2 songs :hmm:
A-Lex (2008) :barf: - Zero songs :D
Kairos (2010 - their latest album) - 5 songs
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Songs from albums up to and including Roots: 11
Songs from albums after Roots, but not from their latest album: 4
Songs from their latest album (to be expected?): 5

Food for Thought
Overall, is the above set list really all that surprising?
Is it just fun / accepted / normal to rip on Sepultura these days?
Does anybody really disagree that Sepultura was better when Max and Igor were in the band?
If not, then why keep bringing it up? Who are you trying to convince, when everybody already agrees?

treghet
04-24-2012, 03:00 PM
Food for Thought
Overall, is the above set list really all that surprising?
Is it just fun / accepted / normal to rip on Sepultura these days?
Does anybody really disagree that Sepultura was better when Max and Igor were in the band?
If not, then why keep bringing it up? Who are you trying to convince, when everybody already agrees?

The set isn't surprising, in fact it's mostly the same as their tour last year, but coming off of the Trashfest Classics Tour you'd think they might have been inspired to change it up a little. Obviously Thrashfest was a special tour, but they know what the fans want to hear and they were actually willing to give them that. It just feels like we've been shafted a little.

As for the discussion on the current Sepultura lineup, yes that seriously needs to be put to rest. I'm tired of reading the same conversation in nearly every Sepultura thread.

Nickweiser
04-24-2012, 03:11 PM
It's not that he's a bad vocalist, the band just hasn't written any good songs in years. If they went back to writing good thrash metal after Max left then I don't think people would really care that they got a new vocalist.
good point. Maybe if Sepultura did go to the thrash gig it would be much better and more appreciated. i never though of it that way so kudos to ya!

Nickweiser
04-24-2012, 03:13 PM
Cannibal Corpse improved with Corpsegrinder imho.
strongly agreed about mr george fisher!

Natrlhi
04-24-2012, 03:46 PM
As for the discussion on the current Sepultura lineup, yes that seriously needs to be put to rest. I'm tired of reading the same conversation in nearly every Sepultura thread.

That was really my main point. The setlist bitching was secondary (and speaking of the questions I was asking, it's expected).

...and who the fuck is George Fisher? Never heard of him.

JRA
04-24-2012, 04:37 PM
The problem is Sepultura had already gone to shit even when max was in the band. Roots and Chaos AD were groove laden feces that suck on all levels.

The difference with Cannibal Corpse was they never changed their core sound. Sure some dynamics changed with the vocalist no longer being the premier lyricist, but overall they never succumbed to any trend.

anomynous
04-24-2012, 04:46 PM
Chaos AD is awesome.

GarageMetal468
04-24-2012, 05:13 PM
The problem is Sepultura had already gone to shit even when max was in the band. Roots and Chaos AD were groove laden feces that suck on all levels.

The difference with Cannibal Corpse was they never changed their core sound. Sure some dynamics changed with the vocalist no longer being the premier lyricist, but overall they never succumbed to any trend.

yes yes yes YES FINALLY YES SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME

My problem isn't about the new lineup. Hell, I'd rather have this one than with the Cavaleras. I have a feeling that if Max was back in the band then we'd have Soulfly pt. 2. :barf:

The set is the real problem. They've got both people who have seen them back in the day when Arise came out and newer fans going to see them, and they both wanna hear the classics. None of this Dante XXI or whatever crap.