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adamclark52
03-08-2012, 10:57 PM
Metallica
Support: Jerry Cantrell, Days of the New
Date: July 3rd, 1998
Venue: the Molson Amphitheatre in Toronto, Ontario

Iíve been finding a lot of setlists from shows Iíve been to on the past so I decided to post them. Some of them are with the help of setlist.fm, but these arenít just me ripping setlists and posting them (that would be too easy). These are all shows Iíve been to and have stories to tell.

Iíll always remember this show for how much work it was just getting a ticket. I think I bought them in late 1997 or early 1998, whenever it was it was before getting tickets was easy on the internet. I had to do it the old-fashioned way; telephone. I remember starting to call Ticketmaster when tickets went on sale at 10am and getting busy signal after busy signal after busy signal for hours. Literally. I think I ended up getting through at around 4pm and somehow still got tickets, even though they were lawns.

Six months later we went to the show and ended up the FURTHEST spot you could possibly get at the Amphitheater. Thatís probably why I still hate it to this day. We showed up as Days of the New were already on stage. They sounded pretty good. They were a band that was good in small doses, a few songs was enough and that was all they got at this show. My friend had their first album and an hour of all acoustic hard-rock got old about halfway through. This was when they were still a band before the lead guy got all rock star, fired the rest of the band and dove headfirst into obscurity. No setlist but I know they played Stand and Peel last.

Jerry Cantrell was great. Iíve always said that he is the key element to Alice in Chains, and his solo stuff was great too. This was his first tour for his first solo album, My Song was great, just a great song and all the Alice in Chains stuff was (obviously) awesome.

Jerry Cantrell
1. Devil By His Side 

2. No Excuses 
(Alice in Chains song)
3. My Song 

4. Heaven Beside You 
(Alice in Chains song)
5. Between 

6. Got Me Wrong 
(Alice in Chains song)
7. Them Bones 
(Alice in Chains song)
8.Keep the Light On 

9. Cut You In 

10. Brain Damage / Eclipse (Pink Floyd cover)

I wasnít at the time and am still not the hugest Metallica fan but you have to see them if youíre a metalhead; so this was my show. Opening with Helpless was awesome, since the Garage Days tape was one of my favorite Metallica albums. It caught a lot of people off guard but they ended up releasing Garage Inc. six months after this so they were probably just testing the waters. The whole set I just wanted to hear either Leper Messiah or Orion, neither of which I got. But I enjoyed all the pre-Black Album stuff and the stuff from ReLoad (I actually liked that album). And after opening with a cover I was hoping they may play something else from the original Garage Day Revisited album, but again nothing. I admit that I tore this setlist from setlist.fm and I donít remember them playing Creeping Death at the end, I remember them playing Enter Sandman and tons of fireworks (this was at an outdoor venue) and everyone left. So maybe everyone left early?

Metallica
1. Helpless 
(Diamond Head cover)
2. Master of Puppets 

3. Of Wolf and Man 

4. The Thing That Should Not Be 

5. Fuel 

6. The Memory Remains 

7. Bleeding Me 

8. Nothing Else Matters 

9. Until It Sleeps 

10. King Nothing 

11. Wherever I May Roam 

12. One 

13. Fight Fire With Fire 

(break)
14. Low Man's Lyric 
(Acoustic)
15. The Four Horsemen 
(Acoustic)
16. Motorbreath 
(Acoustic)
17. Sad But True 


Encore:
18. Enter Sandman 

19. Creeping Death

It was a good show. A little long actually. I swear to god they were on stage for three hours. At least I got to see Metallica once, not at their best or at their worst.

hellawaits77ny
03-08-2012, 11:12 PM
Cool review man. Would've been cool to see those acoustic songs.

x-voltage
03-09-2012, 12:36 AM
Motorbreath and the Four Horsemen acoustic. That's interesting.

MetalIsArt
03-09-2012, 12:39 AM
Metallica
Support: Jerry Cantrell, Days of the New
Date: July 3rd, 1998
Venue: the Molson Amphitheatre in Toronto, Ontario

I’ve been finding a lot of setlists from shows I’ve been to on the past so I decided to post them. Some of them are with the help of setlist.fm, but these aren’t just me ripping setlists and posting them (that would be too easy). These are all shows I’ve been to and have stories to tell.

I’ll always remember this show for how much work it was just getting a ticket. I think I bought them in late 1997 or early 1998, whenever it was it was before getting tickets was easy on the internet. I had to do it the old-fashioned way; telephone. I remember starting to call Ticketmaster when tickets went on sale at 10am and getting busy signal after busy signal after busy signal for hours. Literally. I think I ended up getting through at around 4pm and somehow still got tickets, even though they were lawns.

Six months later we went to the show and ended up the FURTHEST spot you could possibly get at the Amphitheater. That’s probably why I still hate it to this day. We showed up as Days of the New were already on stage. They sounded pretty good. They were a band that was good in small doses, a few songs was enough and that was all they got at this show. My friend had their first album and an hour of all acoustic hard-rock got old about halfway through. This was when they were still a band before the lead guy got all rock star, fired the rest of the band and dove headfirst into obscurity. No setlist but I know they played Stand and Peel last.

Jerry Cantrell was great. I’ve always said that he is the key element to Alice in Chains, and his solo stuff was great too. This was his first tour for his first solo album, My Song was great, just a great song and all the Alice in Chains stuff was (obviously) awesome.

Jerry Cantrell
1. Devil By His Side 

2. No Excuses 
(Alice in Chains song)
3. My Song 

4. Heaven Beside You 
(Alice in Chains song)
5. Between 

6. Got Me Wrong 
(Alice in Chains song)
7. Them Bones 
(Alice in Chains song)
8.Keep the Light On 

9. Cut You In 

10. Brain Damage / Eclipse (Pink Floyd cover)

I wasn’t at the time and am still not the hugest Metallica fan but you have to see them if you’re a metalhead; so this was my show. Opening with Helpless was awesome, since the Garage Days tape was one of my favorite Metallica albums. It caught a lot of people off guard but they ended up releasing Garage Inc. six months after this so they were probably just testing the waters. The whole set I just wanted to hear either Leper Messiah or Orion, neither of which I got. But I enjoyed all the pre-Black Album stuff and the stuff from ReLoad (I actually liked that album). And after opening with a cover I was hoping they may play something else from the original Garage Day Revisited album, but again nothing. I admit that I tore this setlist from setlist.fm and I don’t remember them playing Creeping Death at the end, I remember them playing Enter Sandman and tons of fireworks (this was at an outdoor venue) and everyone left. So maybe everyone left early?

Metallica
1. Helpless 
(Diamond Head cover)
2. Master of Puppets 

3. Of Wolf and Man 

4. The Thing That Should Not Be 

5. Fuel 

6. The Memory Remains 

7. Bleeding Me 

8. Nothing Else Matters 

9. Until It Sleeps 

10. King Nothing 

11. Wherever I May Roam 

12. One 

13. Fight Fire With Fire 

(break)
14. Low Man's Lyric 
(Acoustic)
15. The Four Horsemen 
(Acoustic)
16. Motorbreath 
(Acoustic)
17. Sad But True 


Encore:
18. Enter Sandman 

19. Creeping Death

It was a good show. A little long actually. I swear to god they were on stage for three hours. At least I got to see Metallica once, not at their best or at their worst.

History will judge Load & Reload differently, but it bothered me that they didn't play more of both albums.

AND of course they didn't play much more material from the eighties than the "classics" during 1996-1999. And MOP was mostly the short version too. hm.

ravenheart
03-09-2012, 02:51 AM
Support: Jerry Cantrell, Days of the New

:eek: :boohoo:

treghet
03-09-2012, 02:59 AM
15. The Four Horsemen 
(Acoustic)
16. Motorbreath 
(Acoustic)

I would be so pissed at them for playing these acoustic.

Sanitarium78
03-09-2012, 05:40 AM
I saw this tour when it came here. This was before Metallica changed the set up every night so everything is the same but instead of getting an embarassingly bad acoustic version of Motorbreath we got one of Last Carees instead. They most certainly ended the show with Creeping Death so i'm not sure why you don't remember it.

As for the acoustic version of The Four Horsemen, I don't think i've ever seen a band insult one of their classic songs more than Metallica did with this version. It was fuckin pathetic and Tony Iommi should've nailed each member of the band upside their head with his guitar for comiting such a metal sin.

I'm fine with acoustic songs if that's what the original arrangment is or if it's already a soft and slow song. That's why Low Man's Lyric worked fine that way but people were completely dumbfounded at the show when they did Horsemen like that. Hardly anybody sang along and everyone was just standing their with blank looks on their faces and thinking "what the fuck are they doing?" I'll never understand doing an acoustic version of a rocking song. The whole concept will never make sense to me.

Other than that, the show i went to was great. I don't remember how I got tickets but I know it wasn't as hard to get them as the OP said it was for him. I know I was within like the first 10 rows and during FFWF I could feel the heat from the fire pods that went off during it:rocker:

I can't remember Jerry Cantrell's set but i know it was a bit different. He did Down In A Hole and Would at my show.

El Gordo
03-09-2012, 05:41 AM
I would be so pissed at them for playing these acoustic.

Yup. This was the second show I ever went to (I believe I've already posted the setlist in here somewhere) and my buddy and I were fucking pissed about the acoustic songs. We had been building this show up since we bought the tickets in April or whatever and they give us The Four Horsemen Acoustic?!

Anyway, it was a good show and an incredibly fun day.

Force10
03-09-2012, 05:44 AM
I saw this tour the week prior - June 28 in Manassas, VA. I just had a lawn seat, and remember not being very excited for the show. This turned out to be the last time (out of 7) that I saw Metallica.

The acoustic section sucked. It was an awful idea.

I distinctly remember Creeping Death being played as I was leaving the ampitheatre and avoiding the inevitable traffic jam getting out of there.

I assume DotN and JC were the openers, but for whatever reason we missed both of them.

ravenheart
03-09-2012, 05:51 AM
I assume DotN and JC were the openers, but for whatever reason we missed both of them.

Fail. That would have been worth seeing without Metallica!

Although before Jerry's better solo album, but still.

MetalIsArt
03-09-2012, 06:34 AM
I saw this tour when it came here. This was before Metallica changed the set up every night so everything is the same but instead of getting an embarassingly bad acoustic version of Motorbreath we got one of Last Carees instead. They most certainly ended the show with Creeping Death so i'm not sure why you don't remember it.

As for the acoustic version of The Four Horsemen, I don't think i've ever seen a band insult one of their classic songs more than Metallica did with this version. It was fuckin pathetic and Tony Iommi should've nailed each member of the band upside their head with his guitar for comiting such a metal sin.

I'm fine with acoustic songs if that's what the original arrangment is or if it's already a soft and slow song. That's why Low Man's Lyric worked fine that way but people were completely dumbfounded at the show when they did Horsemen like that. Hardly anybody sang along and everyone was just standing their with blank looks on their faces and thinking "what the fuck are they doing?" I'll never understand doing an acoustic version of a rocking song. The whole concept will never make sense to me.

Other than that, the show i went to was great. I don't remember how I got tickets but I know it wasn't as hard to get them as the OP said it was for him. I know I was within like the first 10 rows and during FFWF I could feel the heat from the fire pods that went off during it:rocker:

I can't remember Jerry Cantrell's set but i know it was a bit different. He did Down In A Hole and Would at my show.

You can hate an acoustic rendition as much as you want, but it's not a "sin".

El Gordo
03-09-2012, 06:39 AM
You can hate an acoustic rendition as much as you want, but it's not a "sin".

Playing a live acoustic version of The Four Horsemen sure as fuck is a sin in heavy metal if there ever was one. If Hetfield wants to rip through it on an acoustic in his basement, sure go ahead. If I'm paying for a ticket though, well sir, you can fuck right off with that acoustic guitar.

MetalIsArt
03-09-2012, 07:08 AM
Playing a live acoustic version of The Four Horsemen sure as fuck is a sin in heavy metal if there ever was one. If Hetfield wants to rip through it on an acoustic in his basement, sure go ahead. If I'm paying for a ticket though, well sir, you can fuck right off with that acoustic guitar.

You don't have to tell me to fuck off because I don't have the same opinion about this. I'm not talking about the quality of the song, but about the use of an acoustic guitar.

Fade To Black gave the band their first "they sold out" moanings from fanz...

Sanitarium78
03-09-2012, 07:18 AM
You don't have to tell me to fuck off because I don't have the same opinion about this. I'm not talking about the quality of the song, but about the use of an acoustic guitar.

Fade To Black gave the band their first "they sold out" moanings from fanz...

He didn't tell you specifically to fuck off. I believe he was using it in referrence to Hetfield.

Force10
03-09-2012, 07:47 AM
Fail. That would have been worth seeing without Metallica!

Although before Jerry's better solo album, but still.

Oh there's no question it was a Fail! I'm trying to recall why I missed Jerry- my guess is that I carpooled with a guy who usually wants nothing to do with opening acts. He's the kind of guy who likes to walk in right when the headliner starts. And to be fair the traffic into and out of the Manassas ampitheater is horrendous.

ravenheart
03-09-2012, 08:14 AM
my guess is that I carpooled with a guy who usually wants nothing to do with opening acts. He's the kind of guy who likes to walk in right when the headliner starts.

Without even checking out who the opening acts are, I bet.

El Gordo
03-09-2012, 10:28 AM
You don't have to tell me to fuck off because I don't have the same opinion about this. I'm not talking about the quality of the song, but about the use of an acoustic guitar.

Fade To Black gave the band their first "they sold out" moanings from fanz...

Yeah, I wasn't telling you to fuck off.

I am now though. :tongue:

anomynous
03-09-2012, 10:40 AM
History will judge Load & Reload differently, but it bothered me that they didn't play more of both albums.


I doubt it

MetalIsArt
03-09-2012, 11:20 AM
I doubt it

I like certain songs on those albums very much. King Nothing, Wasting My Hate, Attitude,... ;)

Besides, like I said before, it's cool to like Volbeat, who are now nothing more than those records with annoying vocals. But when it comes to Metallica, hypocrisy is never far away. That doesn't mean I'm a blind fanboy.

adamclark52
03-09-2012, 01:31 PM
History will judge Load & Reload differently, but it bothered me that they didn't play more of both albums.

It's weird, Load and the song Until it Sleeps in particular are actually what got me into Metallica. Not because I liked the song, it was the exact opposite. I was so put off by it that it made me realize how awesome their older stuff was and then I started listening to Ride the Lightning. From that album (Load) I only liked one song, Hero of the Day (wicked song even better video) and didn't mind a few others (Bleeding Me) but found too many of the songs had riffs that were too similar and based off the basic pentatonic scale.

Then ReLoad comes out and sounds almost exactly the same in the riff and structure department and for some reason I actually really like about half of it. But then the other half was where I noticed they started to get into the habit of stretching three minute songs into seven minute songs, something they still do today.

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 03:06 AM
Weren't they originally meant to be one album?

I'd love to hear some outtakes. Which they have, trust me...

hellawaits77ny
03-10-2012, 03:24 AM
Besides, like I said before, it's cool to like Volbeat, who are now nothing more than those records with annoying vocals. But when it comes to Metallica, hypocrisy is never far away. That doesn't mean I'm a blind fanboy.

Fuckin great point, man.

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 03:30 AM
Fuckin great point, man.

No problem mate.

On a side note: Do you know what my ultimate Metallica dream is? A tour with Megadeth.

adamclark52
03-10-2012, 07:22 AM
Weren't they originally meant to be one album?

Yes, that's what I've read a ton of times over the years.

Is Metallica your favorite band?

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 07:35 AM
Yes, that's what I've read a ton of times over the years.

Is Metallica your favorite band?

Yes.

treghet
03-10-2012, 09:04 AM
Besides, like I said before, it's cool to like Volbeat, who are now nothing more than those records with annoying vocals. But when it comes to Metallica, hypocrisy is never far away. That doesn't mean I'm a blind fanboy.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n5qk1YwHc5I/S-zc3ebwwLI/AAAAAAAAAB4/6kfQNB37YsE/s1600/313Volbeat.png

PowerMaiden
03-10-2012, 10:00 AM
Those old Metallicaca sets are making me sick

I wish some of you saw them in the 80's you would come to realised that they're only a pale copy of once a great band. They lost everything, all their aggression, there anger and their will to kick our arses live. Now it's all 'hey baby' 'How does it feel to be alive' . Fuck that shit. they can't play and Gayms can't sing anymore.


That was the real Metallica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd6e-mHddnk


anyway I had to say it :D


Cheers !
PowerMaiden

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 10:40 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n5qk1YwHc5I/S-zc3ebwwLI/AAAAAAAAAB4/6kfQNB37YsE/s1600/313Volbeat.png

Very cool. I could whine for hours about how bad the latest Morbid Angel is.

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 10:43 AM
Those old Metallicaca sets are making me sick

I wish some of you saw them in the 80's you would come to realised that they're only a pale copy of once a great band. They lost everything, all their aggression, there anger and their will to kick our arses live. Now it's all 'hey baby' 'How does it feel to be alive' . Fuck that shit. they can't play and Gayms can't sing anymore.


That was the real Metallica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd6e-mHddnk


anyway I had to say it :D


Cheers !
PowerMaiden

I've seen them live a few times now, but "Gaymz" never said hey baby...

It's hard for somebody like you to accept that Metallica still has fans, now matter how far they have drifted away from their original sound..."Troo methulfans" lose their reason when someone like me shows up.

What's more pathetic? A band that did what they wanted or underaged kiddiez who think Iron Maiden is the only band that exists?

PowerMaiden
03-10-2012, 10:55 AM
What's more pathetic?

everything about Metallica is pathetic to me since 1991 ish

but hey that's just me, I'm always amazed to see so many people still liking them, but half of the crowd at their concert is there for Nothing Else Maters and Enter Sandman another quarter are there to prentend they are cool. There's the other quarter of older fan that are a mystery to me, maybe they like what Metallica are now ? who knows


Cheers !
PowerMaiden

PowerMaiden
03-10-2012, 10:57 AM
oh yeah, you shouldn't put the words Iron Maiden in the same sentence as the word Metallica. It doesn't make sence :edwink:


Cheers !
PowerMaiden

El Gordo
03-10-2012, 01:00 PM
I've seen them live a few times now, but "Gaymz" never said hey baby...

It's hard for somebody like you to accept that Metallica still has fans, now matter how far they have drifted away from their original sound..."Troo methulfans" lose their reason when someone like me shows up.

What's more pathetic? A band that did what they wanted or underaged kiddiez who think Iron Maiden is the only band that exists?

Powermaiden is spot on here. I've never faulted Metallica for playing the music they want to play. If Load or St. Anger was what they wanted to be playing at the time, then good for them. What I fault them for is becoming such a lazy, joke of a band. Their old material almost always sounds sluggish and sloppy when they play it live nowadays. Age is obviously a factor, but I don't fault them for getting old. Overkill and Testament still destroy stages live as well as they did in the 80's. Metallica does not.

Metallica 1989 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWxurFACGzg)
Metallica 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMWaxLCpAs)

Metallica is the reason I'm into metal. I used to be a proud Metallica fanboy. They aren't worth the price of admission anymore, sadly.

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 01:37 PM
Powermaiden is spot on here. I've never faulted Metallica for playing the music they want to play. If Load or St. Anger was what they wanted to be playing at the time, then good for them. What I fault them for is becoming such a lazy, joke of a band. Their old material almost always sounds sluggish and sloppy when they play it live nowadays. Age is obviously a factor, but I don't fault them for getting old. Overkill and Testament still destroy stages live as well as they did in the 80's. Metallica does not.

Metallica 1989 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWxurFACGzg)
Metallica 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMWaxLCpAs)

Metallica is the reason I'm into metal. I used to be a proud Metallica fanboy. They aren't worth the price of admission anymore, sadly.

With all due respect, when I saw Testament @ GMM 2008 their sound was incredibly awful. And if you want to see a lazy band, that doesn't even like to tour, go see Slayer. Not that Metallica have never played lesser shows (they were better in 2009 than in 2004), but come on. And uh, Overkill should be at least as big as dickhead Kerry's group.

It's impossible to argue with people on message boards when you admit you still like these guys.

treghet
03-10-2012, 01:45 PM
Very cool. I could whine for hours about how bad the latest Morbid Angel is.

You do realize that is a Pokemon named Volbeat, right?

MetalIsArt
03-10-2012, 01:45 PM
You do realize that is a Pokemon named Volbeat, right?

No. But your response proves my theory.

treghet
03-10-2012, 01:49 PM
No, not really interested in that. But your response proves my theory.

Proves what? I didn't say anything negative. You're getting defensive over nothing.

adamclark52
03-10-2012, 05:57 PM
I wish I could've seen them in the 1980's.

hellawaits77ny
03-10-2012, 08:55 PM
I still think they're great live. I do agree they are a bit sloppy at times, but just the atmosphere and aura, I guess you would say, of a Metallica concert is very special to me.

PowerMaiden
03-10-2012, 08:57 PM
I still think they're great live. I do agree they are a bit sloppy at times, but just the atmosphere and aura, I guess you would say, of a Metallica concert is very special to me.

that I can understand. But it doesn't do it to me anymore because of all of the deceptions over the years


Cheers !
PowerMaiden

AnthG
03-11-2012, 10:26 AM
The Metallica apologists sticking up for Load and Reload are forgetting one thing about those albums: We don't hate them (or at least I don't) because they sound different and decided to do something else with their music. We hate them because they're, on the whole, shitty albums. Reload especially. Compare them to Volbeat all you want, I don't like them either.

MetalIsArt
03-11-2012, 12:33 PM
The Metallica apologists sticking up for Load and Reload are forgetting one thing about those albums: We don't hate them (or at least I don't) because they sound different and decided to do something else with their music. We hate them because they're, on the whole, shitty albums. Reload especially. Compare them to Volbeat all you want, I don't like them either.

I compare them to Volbeat because nobody I know has made the same remark about their albums sounding exactly like Load & Reload, but with some of the worst normal vocals I've ever heard. I was relieved to see that I'm not the only one who can't stand them.

MetalIsArt
03-11-2012, 12:35 PM
I wish I could've seen them in the 1980's.

This. I wish I was already old enough to go to concerts between 1969 & 1989... :bliss:

adamclark52
03-12-2012, 12:35 AM
Actually, if I was to see Metallica live again I'd either want to see them around Master of Puppets era or now. Master of Puppets era is because that was my favorite album by them and probably the best chance I would have had to see them play stuff I love and avoid the latter stuff (because it wouldn't have been written at that point:dorky:). Now because they seemed to have reached the stage in their career where they've embraced their past more, so the chances of me seeing those older songs live is greater.

Sepultura69
03-12-2012, 11:02 AM
if you want to see a lazy band, that doesn't even like to tour, go see Slayer.

This post makes no sense at all. Fail.

Slayer is not even close to the word "lazy". They tour all the fucking time in europe and in america. Sure they don't tour as much in america as they use too but they Tour EUROPE very heavily and extensively. I seriously have no idea what you mean by "lazy band". Slayer are not even close to lazy. They tour all the fucking time and have been doing so for thirty plus years.

Anyways, cool story bro.

street_burial
03-12-2012, 11:06 AM
lol Metallica fanboys are just as bad as Iron Maiden fanboys