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Epidemic Reign
01-17-2012, 09:25 PM
IT HAS BEGUN.

Thoughts?

Google half-assed it. They just blacked out their logo :lol:

https://www.google.com/logos/2012/sopa12_hp.png

BloodoftheKings
01-17-2012, 09:26 PM
If this passes I think we need to overthrow the government before it gets worse.

Triggz
01-17-2012, 09:26 PM
lol... if you click the Images tab, it's back to normal :lol:

Epidemic Reign
01-17-2012, 09:38 PM
If this passes I think we need to overthrow the government before it gets worse.

If it passes, I doubt it will last long. Those political activist hacker groups will raise all kinds of hell.

Not that we shouldn't overthrow the government anyway ;)

Epidemic Reign
01-17-2012, 09:45 PM
lol... if you click the Images tab, it's back to normal :lol:

:lol: Pussies.

A lot of huge businesses use Google Maps religiously to perform their daily functions... transportation and shipping companies primarily. Google would be causing shock waves right now if they blacked out entirely.

TonyD
01-17-2012, 09:53 PM
Good thing they did this at the beginning of the semester and not when papers would be due.

Epidemic Reign
01-17-2012, 09:56 PM
Good thing they did this at the beginning of the semester and not when papers would be due.

I don't think you'd be in much trouble either way. "THE LARGEST ONLINE PROTEST IN HISTORY" really doesn't seem to be very big.

treghet
01-17-2012, 10:10 PM
This doesn't inspire me to write to my local congressman. It just pisses me off.

Also, if I were to actually do it... I would prefer this method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JPfnJVEr8E

Fates Guardian
01-17-2012, 11:37 PM
Oh man, that was nothing like my experience with salvia (mine was rather terrifying), but that video cracked me up nonetheless.

Yeah, not only is Wikipedia blacked out, but Metal Archives as well. This is seriously throwing a wrench in my gears, but I understand and support their doing it. Work is going to be rough tomorrow though....

mankvill
01-18-2012, 12:26 AM
>see people getting angry/making fun of all the websites making internet censorship awareness
>doing nothing about it

:hecho:

MPF
01-18-2012, 12:31 AM
Like I posted in the What Are You Doing THread. If you give a fuck about music or the internet at all, sign this now:

http://www.google.com/takeaction/

mankvill
01-18-2012, 12:34 AM
Like I posted in the What Are You Doing THread. If you give a fuck about music or the internet at all, sign this now:

http://www.google.com/takeaction/

I signed petitions and e-mailed my local lawmakers before SOPA/PIPA awareness made it cool. :cool: /hipster

MPF
01-18-2012, 12:37 AM
I signed petitions and e-mailed my local lawmakers before SOPA/PIPA awareness made it cool. :cool: /hipster

I did as well, but now that it's actually out there on goggle, We gotta spread the word all we can. Otherwise....hipsters will be the only ones on the internet.

treghet
01-18-2012, 12:40 AM
>see people getting angry/making fun of all the websites making internet censorship awareness
>doing nothing about it

:hecho:

My post wasn't totally serious. I've signed the petitions and stuff. I'm just saying if they made the homepage redirect to something and then allowed me to actually view the site I would be more inclined to do what they're telling me, but by making the site inaccessible it feels like they're trying to force me into it. I would have done it in the first place, so there's no reason shut down the site.

MPF
01-18-2012, 01:03 AM
This is really scaring the shit out of me. I know this doesn't some of you guys (JD) but it's not just about music, and porn.

Not to sound like Indestructible here, but if this passes, we have even less freedom then before. Hell we already can be picked off for doing absolutely nothing, arrested and left forever rotting at Guantanamo Bay without given a trail, or even a reason why you are there. If this goes, we can't even look up free, legal information anymore. THAT'S FUCKED UP!!!

Also, I'd be out of a job. My show is an internet radio show, that goes bye bye if this passes.

This can't pass...it just can't :(

mankvill
01-18-2012, 01:08 AM
My post wasn't totally serious. I've signed the petitions and stuff. I'm just saying if they made the homepage redirect to something and then allowed me to actually view the site I would be more inclined to do what they're telling me, but by making the site inaccessible it feels like they're trying to force me into it. I would have done it in the first place, so there's no reason shut down the site.

!

But I wasn't talking about you! D:

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 03:49 AM
We're only getting bits and pieces of what these bills actually contain here.

What legal things are they going to prevent? As a general principle it's hard to see a problem, to be honest. But I have no idea what other things are in the bills.

MPF
01-18-2012, 04:01 AM
We're only getting bits and pieces of what these bills actually contain here.

What legal things are they going to prevent? As a general principle it's hard to see a problem, to be honest. But I have no idea what other things are in the bills.

Bascially this bill will be exactly what the bill they just passed a few weeks ago was.

The one a few weeks ago pertained to the government can take ANY individual that they think is a potential threat, arrest them and hold them for as long as they want without a trial or probably cause.

These two bills is the same thing except internet websites and blocking their sites, suing the IP addresses, and other similar things.

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 04:13 AM
These two bills is the same thing except internet websites and blocking their sites, suing the IP addresses, and other similar things.

Where they demonstrate that the content breaches copyright law, yes?

MPF
01-18-2012, 04:15 AM
Where they demonstrate that the content breaches copyright law, yes?

With the way the government is now, I would be surprised if they actually did meantion where it breaches copyright laws.

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 04:20 AM
With the way the government is now, I would be surprised if they actually did meantion where it breaches copyright laws.

Well, standard levels of government corruption etc. aside, personally I'm not seeing the problem. It's about time websites that can't be bothered to police the content their users upload/create/promote came under fire.

MPF
01-18-2012, 04:24 AM
Well, standard levels of government corruption etc. aside, personally I'm not seeing the problem. It's about time websites that can't be bothered to police the content their users upload/create/promote came under fire.

The illegal sites, yeah I have no problem with that. But the legal sites is what I have problem with. Google can one day be illegal because it can lead you to illegal underage Asian Ass Porn. Or Wikipedia get's closed down because it has an article about bittorrents. That's going over the line and if it passes, it will happen.

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 04:26 AM
The illegal sites, yeah I have no problem with that. But the legal sites is what I have problem with. Google can one day be illegal because it can lead you to illegal underage Asian Ass Porn. Or Wikipedia get's closed down because it has an article about bittorrents. That's going over the line and if it passes, it will happen.

Can you really see them closing Wikipedia and Google? I mean, really? I think people are overreacting. As usual.

YouTube on the other hand, yeah. That place is a liability. And people are complaining that it will drive users away? Well, fucking good. The place is so full of worthless crap it would be better off if no one used it.

powerslave_85
01-18-2012, 04:28 AM
ravenheart would make such a great Republican.

MPF
01-18-2012, 04:28 AM
Can you really see them closing Wikipedia and Google? I mean, really? I think people are overreacting.

YouTube on the other hand, yeah. That place is a liability. And people are complaining that it will drive users away? Well, fucking good. The place is so full of worthless crap it would be better off if no one used it.

It's not so much as that it's overreacting as it is....possible. Will it likely happen, if something fucked up happens, it will.

Again I'm not worried about the copyright problems (as long as I can still do my radio show) everything is legit, since I'm getting Promo CDs and songs from the labels and management agencies. I'm playing by the books but I'm concerned on how bad it could get.

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 04:52 AM
ravenheart would make such a great Republican.

I don't know what that means :eyes:

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 04:54 AM
It's not so much as that it's overreacting as it is....possible.

It's also possible that you could declare war on Germany because you've decided that the law of averages says its about time they started another world war to complete their hattrick, but you won't.

People do love a good protest though, don't they?

On the evidence and detail I've seen so far, I think people like Wikipedia are just overreacting, and everyone else is worried they won't be able to get shitty mp3s for free anymore.

I think we all know it'll never be fully stopped unless ISPs get involved and start blocking things all together, which they won't, but there's clearly a lot that can be done to make it a damn sight harder for any common pleb to be able to download copyrighted material etc.

And any new law creating the power to combat anything at all ALWAYS attracts people who want to protest on the basis of "what if they use this to persecute someone who's innocent". Well, that's true of every law. Ever. Provided the bill doesn't say "the government can break into your homes without a warrant and shoot you on sight without proof," which it clearly isn't going to say, then it's just another law like all the others, with the same risks and benefits of all the others.

That said, we're really not getting the detail of the bill here, just broad headlines and sensationalism over the lame "blackout," so happy to hear of any dodgy clauses in there that may be giving them power to do nasty things, if anyone knows any of the actual detail.

Boatvan
01-18-2012, 05:46 AM
>see people getting angry/making fun of all the websites making internet censorship awareness
>doing nothing about it

:hecho:

This

BloodoftheKings
01-18-2012, 06:13 AM
douchebaggery

http://vimeo.com/31100268

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 06:26 AM
http://vimeo.com/31100268

Great, thanks for a link to yet more sensationalism and generalisations and no actual detail.

And instead contains stupid comments like this: "Under this bill, sharing a video with anything copyrighted in it, or what sites like Youtube and Twitter do, would be considered illegal behavior according to this bill. "

You know why, under the bill, that would be considered illegal? Because it fucking IS illegal.

And the bit about stopping new companies who aren't doing the filtering of content well enough. Damn right. It's perfectly reasonably to not be allowed to enter an arena you aren't capable of operating in.

Here's how this whole debate seems to have progressed so far:

Internet: "HEY AMERICA, THE GOVERNMENT ARE GOING TO CENSOR THE ME! WAAAAHHH!"

America: "OH SHIT! DON'T BOTHER TELLING ME MORE, I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, INTERNET! GRRR GOVERNMENT!"

So, I refer to my previous comment. Anyone got any actual DETAIL on this besides taking Wikipedia and Google's protest-inciting for it? I've yet to read, in online US media, consumer opinion, or UK media, any argument against the bill that's actual valid.

My point is, I'm sure there is a valid argument against it, because surely people like Google and Wikipedia wouldn't be wading in on it if there weren't. They're not that stupid. Are they? So someone present it. Or are baseless, butthurt articles all we've got so far?

I understand there's an issue around the vague wording of the bill, and that's an issue for sure, but really, the rest seems to so far be a whole lot of overreaction and conjecture.

BloodoftheKings
01-18-2012, 06:29 AM
Great, thanks for a link to yet more sensationalism and generalisations and no actual detail.

Here's how this whole debate seems to have progressed so far:

Internet: "HEY AMERICA, THE GOVERNMENT ARE GOING TO CENSOR THE ME! WAAAAHHH!"

America: "OH SHIT! DON'T BOTHER TELLING ME MORE, I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, INTERNET! GRRR GOVERNMENT!"

So, I refer to my previous comment. Anyone got any actual DETAIL on this besides taking Wikipedia and Google's protest-inciting for it?

:tp:

ravenheart
01-18-2012, 06:39 AM
So that'll be a "no, I don't have any actual information to offer" will it? Thanks. Way to contribute.

ChildrenofSodom
01-18-2012, 06:50 AM
Just email, tweet, or call your Congressman. Its easy.

Natrlhi
01-18-2012, 07:04 AM
Just email, tweet, or call your Congressman. Its easy.So do you know why we should, though? I'm with Andy on this one. Give me a reason why I should act - not just the vague possibility that something bad could happen if all the planets lined up in a row on a Tuesday in July. The main problem with the bill that I'm reading about is that the wording is vague and could be potentially misinterpreted such that bad things could happen, such as the closing of Wikipedia or YouTube or even Google...but does anyone believe that the government would actually do that? The way things work in the world today, if the government were to actually do something like that, the people would have a royal fucking shitfit and the move would probably be repealed (or partially repealed, with reasonable caveats instated). Right?

My guess is that this is just another overblown crusade against unfathomable imaginary consequences that will probably never happen, because as Andy says, people sure do love a good protest.

Somebody please give me a good, valid reason to be concerned about this, and I give you my word I will act accordingly.

idrinkwine732
01-18-2012, 07:59 AM
Just email, tweet, or call your Congressman. Its easy.

Most people who have worked in a congressional office will tell you that that does nothing anyway. You're just making more work for the interns.

brutal_descent
01-18-2012, 08:17 AM
Maybe if PornHub would shut off for 24 hours people would do something :lol:

Natrlhi
01-18-2012, 08:20 AM
Maybe if PornHub would shut off for 24 hours people would do something :lol:I don't know what that is.

BloodoftheKings
01-18-2012, 08:25 AM
I don't know what that is.

Liar.

mankvill
01-18-2012, 08:51 AM
Here's a good example of how SOPA/PIPA passing could lead to them overstepping their bounds:

Say there is someone who reviews indie games on YouTube. All he does is play them (maybe he's so popular that the guys who made the game sent him a copy), records them, gives some commentary, links to the website in the dsecription, and uploads it. However, if the publisher doesn't like it, they can use the new law in effect to shut down YouTube until the video with the "copyrighted material" is off the site.

Right now, they can send a cease and desist to YouTube to pull it. Which is why sometimes you see "This video has been removed due to copyright infringement acts against Sony Corporation" etc. etc.

So any site that the "owners" of intellectual properties don't deem fit can be taken down at any moment.

Gaming website that isn't IGN? Gone.
Uploading personal videos of concerts to YouTube? Gone.
Writing fanfiction (however fucking lame that might be) using characters from a TV show? Gone.

It's just scary because these few corporations that would own the majority of the media have the power to shut down anything they don't agree with. That's why this bill shouldn't be passed. It's a slippery slope to full-out internet censorship.

mankvill
01-18-2012, 08:57 AM
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makethemsuffer12
01-18-2012, 09:54 AM
Maybe if PornHub would shut off for 24 hours people would do something :lol:

Then there's always Redtube. ;)

brutal_descent
01-18-2012, 09:58 AM
Then there's always Redtube. ;)

Actually, think about it. If an actress who did a sex scene in a film which got uploaded to PornHub or RedTube was signed exclusively to a film studio, and they had the power to block the site because of it's infringements on their material, they'd probably close them down too :eyes:

makethemsuffer12
01-18-2012, 10:02 AM
Actually, think about it. If an actress who did a sex scene in a film which got uploaded to PornHub or RedTube was signed exclusively to a film studio, and they had the power to block the site because of it's infringements on their material, they'd probably close them down too :eyes:

NOT THE PR0NZ

Natrlhi
01-18-2012, 10:03 AM
The end of porn on the Internet would be the end of the Internet.

brutal_descent
01-18-2012, 10:15 AM
The end of porn on the Internet would be the end of the Internet.

NOT THE PR0NZ

:lol: :lol: :lol:

imanidiot777
01-18-2012, 10:22 AM
Here's a good example of how SOPA/PIPA passing could lead to them overstepping their bounds:

Say there is someone who reviews indie games on YouTube. All he does is play them (maybe he's so popular that the guys who made the game sent him a copy), records them, gives some commentary, links to the website in the dsecription, and uploads it. However, if the publisher doesn't like it, they can use the new law in effect to shut down YouTube until the video with the "copyrighted material" is off the site.

Right now, they can send a cease and desist to YouTube to pull it. Which is why sometimes you see "This video has been removed due to copyright infringement acts against Sony Corporation" etc. etc.

So any site that the "owners" of intellectual properties don't deem fit can be taken down at any moment.

Gaming website that isn't IGN? Gone.
Uploading personal videos of concerts to YouTube? Gone.
Writing fanfiction (however fucking lame that might be) using characters from a TV show? Gone.

It's just scary because these few corporations that would own the majority of the media have the power to shut down anything they don't agree with. That's why this bill shouldn't be passed. It's a slippery slope to full-out internet censorship.

Finally a good post. Not only that, but we have real world examples of what something like this can do. Australia passed something similar and a list of websites the government started blacklisting was leaked and was found to include sites that were not of the politics they wanted the citizens seeing or religious sites they deemed "extreme".

mankvill
01-18-2012, 10:34 AM
It can go much further than that, though.

Like, if someone links to copyrighted material on this site.

The owners of that material would circumvent everything and just shut down metalsetlists.com until the link is removed. There's no way to protect against that.

treghet
01-18-2012, 12:58 PM
So now people are posting this online. IT'S THE END OF THE WORRRLLLD

SOPA Emergency IP list:

So if these ass-fucks in DC decide to
ruin the internet, here’s how to access your favorite sites
in the event of a DNS takedown

tumblr.com 174.121.194.34
wikipedia.org 208.80.152.201

# News
bbc.co.uk 212.58.241.131
aljazeera.com 198.78.201.252

# Social media
reddit.com 72.247.244.88
imgur.com 173.231.140.219
google.com 74.125.157.99
youtube.com 74.125.65.91
yahoo.com 98.137.149.56
hotmail.com 65.55.72.135
bing.com 65.55.175.254
digg.com 64.191.203.30
theonion.com 97.107.137.164
hush.com 65.39.178.43
gamespot.com 216.239.113.172
ign.com 69.10.25.46
cracked.com 98.124.248.77
sidereel.com 144.198.29.112
github.com 207.97.227.239

# Torrent sites
thepiratebay.org 194.71.107.15
mininova.com 80.94.76.5
btjunkie.com 93.158.65.211
demonoid.com 62.149.24.66
demonoid.me 62.149.24.67

# Social networking
facebook.com 69.171.224.11
twitter.com 199.59.149.230
tumblr.com 174.121.194.34
livejournal.com 209.200.154.225
dreamwidth.org 69.174.244.50

# Live Streaming Content
stickam.com 67.201.54.151
blogtv.com 84.22.170.149
justin.tv 199.9.249.21
chatroulette.com 184.173.141.231
omegle.com 97.107.132.144
own3d.tv 208.94.146.80
megavideo.com 174.140.154.32

# Television
gorillavid.com 178.17.165.74
videoweed.com 91.220.176.248
novamov.com 91.220.176.248
tvlinks.com 208.223.219.206
1channel.com 208.87.33.151

# Shopping
amazon.com 72.21.211.176
newegg.com 216.52.208.187
frys.com 209.31.22.39

# File Sharing
mediafire.com 205.196.120.13
megaupload.com 174.140.154.20
fileshare.com 208.87.33.151
multiupload.com 95.211.149.7
uploading.com 195.191.207.40
warez-bb.org 31.7.57.13
hotfile.com 199.7.177.218
gamespy.com 69.10.25.46
what.cd 67.21.232.223
warez.ag 178.162.238.136
putlocker.com 89.238.130.247
uploaded.to 95.211.143.200
dropbox.com 199.47.217.179
pastebin.com 69.65.13.216


Here’s a tip for the do-it-yourself crowd:
Go to your computer’s Start menu, and either go to
“run” or just search for “cmd.”
Open it up, and type in “ping [website address],”


Once you have the IP for a website, all you really
need to do is enter it like you would
a normal URL nd hit enter/press go. Typing in
“208.85.240.231”
should bring you to the front page of AO3,
for example, just as typing “174.121.194.34/dashboard”
should bring you straight to your Tumblr dashboard.
Since we’re obviously bracing for the worst case scenario
which would involve you not being
able to access the internet regularly, you should,
save this list.

BloodoftheKings
01-18-2012, 01:03 PM
I don't mean to be paranoid but I saved that as a note just in case.

ChildrenofSodom
01-18-2012, 01:52 PM
Most people who have worked in a congressional office will tell you that that does nothing anyway. You're just making more work for the interns.

I've been of those interns. And depending on how good the representative is, they will listen. Some just ignore it and vote how they want. Others (like the one I worked for) kept a running tally of the pro/con letters, and it actually can have a big influence.

So. There yah go. Personal experience.

Epidemic Reign
01-18-2012, 02:22 PM
A lot of people seem to think that these bills grant the government the right to go around and just pull shit from the internet at will. The government doesn't want to do that, and if they did they wouldn't need to pass a bill, they'd just do it.

What the bills do is give copyright holders the ability to defend their material, and nobody is going to waste their time filing a lawsuit against metalsetlists.com because someone posted a link when they could go after the source. And I highly doubt anyone would file a lawsuit against MPF's radio show.

I'm not supporting these bills, I haven't read every word of them and I'm sure there are reasons why so many people are against them. I've signed the petitions like everyone else. I'm just saying, I'm totally in the "people are making this shit out to be much worse than it is" boat.

illuminatus917
01-18-2012, 02:31 PM
For whatever it's worth, I've written four letters to two different senators and received personally typed letters in response from each of them. All between half a page and two pages in length.

If nothing else, it lets me know they're at least reading what I'm sending them.

mankvill
01-18-2012, 02:31 PM
What the bills do is give copyright holders the ability to defend their material, and nobody is going to waste their time filing a lawsuit against metalsetlists.com because someone posted a link when they could go after the source. And I highly doubt anyone would file a lawsuit against MPF's radio show.

But the thing is that with this bill, they won't need to file a lawsuit. With SOPA passing, they can just take down whatever site the copyrighted material is posted on (even if it's not hosted there). And that's pretty fucked up.

Epidemic Reign
01-18-2012, 02:39 PM
But the thing is that with this bill, they won't need to file a lawsuit. With SOPA passing, they can just take down whatever site the copyrighted material is posted on (even if it's not hosted there). And that's pretty fucked up.

They must be required to at least file a claim of some sort and provide proof of copyright ownership. At some point I read that a site must be deemed "committed to facilitating copyright infringement", which would require at least a minimal level of investigation. It's bound to be a process and a hassle to some degree.

ChildrenofSodom
01-18-2012, 03:12 PM
A lot of people seem to think that these bills grant the government the right to go around and just pull shit from the internet at will. The government doesn't want to do that, and if they did they wouldn't need to pass a bill, they'd just do it.

What the bills do is give copyright holders the ability to defend their material, and nobody is going to waste their time filing a lawsuit against metalsetlists.com because someone posted a link when they could go after the source. And I highly doubt anyone would file a lawsuit against MPF's radio show.

I'm not supporting these bills, I haven't read every word of them and I'm sure there are reasons why so many people are against them. I've signed the petitions like everyone else. I'm just saying, I'm totally in the "people are making this shit out to be much worse than it is" boat.

It allows copyright holders to force sites to take down their material without legal oversight. And Viacom and Century Media somehow get youtube to take down videos, so what makes you think they won't pursue others? Another aspect is that it forces sites to self-police. Does metalsetlists have the resources to do that? How many sites beyond google (and its subsidiaries) have the money to self-police?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/five-reasons-the-internets-still-protesting-sopa-and-pipa/2012/01/18/gIQAbDG67P_blog.html
Piracy is good: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/small_business/2012/01/sopa_stopping_online_piracy_would_be_a_social_and_ economic_disaster_.html

powerslave_85
01-18-2012, 03:29 PM
I don't know what that means :eyes:
Republicans are quite fond of the "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" mantra.

mankvill
01-18-2012, 05:03 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/sopa/sopa.gif

dcmetal108
01-18-2012, 07:11 PM
In all honesty this doesn't really have a chance of actually happening and staying with it.

It's almost like a huge scare tactic. They are just trying to stand against stuff like piratebay to make them think they will shut them down. They've tried it thousands of times and with a thousand different reasons and it never sticks through for a reason.

They want to shut down torrents. They need to remember that A TORRENT ISN'T ILLEGAL! Utorrent for example clearly states that it is not a illegal program but what the USER DOWNLOADS could be.

I mean in the big picture is someone illegally downloading the new Rihanna cd really hurting the government. The US could just be like Canada and not give two shits about it.

powerslave_85
01-18-2012, 07:34 PM
This was basically my whole day: "Hmm, let me go to this website...oh, a thing about SOPA. Okay. Well, let me go here...shit. Maybe if I...ALRIGHT I GET THE FUCKING PICTURE. I JUST WANT TO POST STUPID GIFS ON TUMBLR."

In all seriousness: It sickens me the kind of power that the RIAA and the MPAA have over this kind of shit. And the piss-poor way they go about it. Whenever they sue someone for filesharing, it's never the college kids with terabytes of movies and TV shows, it's someone's aunt who downloaded some Rhianna songs. I think the internet has fundamentally changed the way media is consumed forever, and copyright/intellectual property laws need to change with it. To what? Fuck if I know. And I'm not saying everything should be free and available for everyone, but the recording industry already gambled and lost with their business model, and I think the movie industry is headed there too.

If you think Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube would get shut down under SOPA, you're delusional. There's waaaaaaaaaaay too much corporate money tied up in those sites for that to happen. But allowing private industry groups to shut down a blog or website "BECAUSE WE SAY SO" with no legal oversight is horseshit, and un-American.

idrinkwine732
01-18-2012, 09:49 PM
I've been of those interns. And depending on how good the representative is, they will listen. Some just ignore it and vote how they want. Others (like the one I worked for) kept a running tally of the pro/con letters, and it actually can have a big influence.

So. There yah go. Personal experience.

Where, as in location, did you work?

MetalIsArt
01-21-2012, 06:55 AM
Three days ago, I was watching an older Simpsons episode on WTSO. All of a sudden it stopped...

dcmetal108
01-21-2012, 10:37 AM
Well since Congress said they are stopping this all for right now the bigger problem is the hacker group that took down all the goverments websites said if they don't put megaupload back up and release the guys they will start taking down all the big sites (facebook, twitter, xbox live, youtube, etc).

Now I don't know if they would but they have the skills to do so.

treghet
01-21-2012, 10:53 AM
Well since Congress said they are stopping this all for right now the bigger problem is the hacker group that took down all the goverments websites said if they don't put megaupload back up and release the guys they will start taking down all the big sites (facebook, twitter, xbox live, youtube, etc).

Now I don't know if they would but they have the skills to do so.

That would probably be for the better. Without those websites people would have physical contact instead of being online.

brutal_descent
01-21-2012, 11:57 AM
Anonymous talks the talk, but it's been a long time since I've seen them walk the walk. DDoS'ing gets old, guys. :lol:

treghet
01-21-2012, 07:09 PM
So uh, now there's this thing?

http://www.slashgear.com/sopa-sponsor-has-another-internet-bill-that-records-you-247-20210264/

dcmetal108
01-22-2012, 01:58 PM
So uh, now there's this thing?

http://www.slashgear.com/sopa-sponsor-has-another-internet-bill-that-records-you-247-20210264/

It'll never happen. Too much backlash for happen.

Main point people would make it "What happens when someone hacks it and a couple million peoples credit info and the such end up being sold online."