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ravenheart
11-24-2011, 09:05 AM
Interesting for a change as it was voted for exclusively by professional guitarists: Trey Anastasio, Dan Auerbach (The Black Keys), Brian Bell (Weezer), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple), Carl Broemel (My Morning Jacket), James Burton, Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains), Gary Clark Jr., Billy Corgan, Steve Cropper, Dave Davies (The Kinks), Anthony DeCurtis (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Tom DeLonge (Blink-182), Rick Derringer, Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars), Elliot Easton (The Cars), Melissa Etheridge, Don Felder (The Eagles), David Fricke (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), Peter Guralnick (Author), Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Albert Hammond Jr. (The Strokes), Warren Haynes (The Allman Brothers Band), Brian Hiatt (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), David Hidalgo (Los Lobos), Jim James (My Morning Jacket), Lenny Kravitz, Robby Krieger (The Doors), Jon Landau (Manager), Alex Lifeson (Rush), Nils Lofgren (The E Street Band), Mick Mars (Mötley Crüe), Doug Martsch (Built to Spill), J Mascis (Dinosaur Jr.), Brian May, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Roger McGuinn (The Byrds), Scotty Moore, Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth), Tom Morello, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Brendan O’Brien (Producer), Joe Perry, Vernon Reid (Living Colour), Robbie Robertson, Rich Robinson (The Black Crowes), Carlos Santana, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Marnie Stern, Stephen Stills, Andy Summers, Mick Taylor, Susan Tedeschi, Vieux Farka Touré, Derek Trucks, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson (Heart)

1 Jimi Hendrix
2 Eric Clapton
3 Jimmy Page
4 Keith Richard
5 Jeff Beck
6 BB King
7 Chuck Berry
8 Eddie Van Halen
9 Duane Allman
10 Pete Townshend
11 George Harrison
12 Stevie Ray Vaughn
13 Albert King
14 Dave Gilmore
15 Freddie King
16 Derek Trucks
17 Neil Young
18 Les Paul
19 James Burton
20 Carlos Santana
21 Chet Atkins
22 Frank Zappa
23 Buddy Guy
24 Angus Young
25 Tony Iommi
26 Brian May
27 Bo Diddley
28 Johnny Ramone
29 Scotty Moore
30 Elmore James
31 Ry Cooder
32 Billy F. Gibbons
33 Prince
34 Curtis Mayfield
35 John Lee Hooker
36 Randy Rhoads
37 Mick Taylor
38 The Edge
39 Steve Cropper
40 Tom Morello
41 Mick Ronson
42 Mike Bloomfield
43 Hubert Sumlin
44 Mark Knopfler
45 Link Wray
46 Jerry Garcia
47 Stephen Stills
48 Johnny Greenwood
49 Muddy Waters
50 Ritchie Blackmore
51 Johnny Marr
52 Clarence White
53 Otis Rush
54 Joe Walsh
55 John Lennon
56 Albert Collins
57 Rory Gallagher
58 Peter Green
59 Robbie Robertson
60 Ron Asheton
61 Dickey Betts
62 Robert Fripp
63 Johnny Winter
64 Duane Eddy
65 Slash
66 Lesley West
67 T-Bone Walker
68 John McLaughlin
69 Richard Thompson
70 Jack White
71 Robert Johnson
72 John Friuscante
73 Kurt Cobain
74 Dick Dale
75 Joni Mitchell
76 Robbie Krieger
77 Willie Nelson
78 John Fahey
79 Mike Campbell
80 Buddy Holly
81 Lou Reed
82 Nels Cline
83 Eddie Hazel
84 Joe Perry
85 Andy Summers
86 J. Mascis
87 James Hetfield
88 Carl Perkins
89 Bonnie Raitt
90 Tom Verlaine
91 Dave Davies
92 Dimebag Darrell
93 Paul Simon
94 Peter Buck
95 Roger McGuinn
96 Bruce Springsteen
97 Steve Jones
98 Alex Lifeson
99 Thurston Moore
100 Lindsay Buckingham

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 09:07 AM
Snore.

ravenheart
11-24-2011, 09:09 AM
Snore.

Yeah, I have to say it's turned out a bit same old, same old. But this is the first time they've actually had professionals vote for these things.

Their other lists are just plain dumb (100 greatest vocalists without RJD), but this isn't really their list, it's a guitarists' list of guitarists.

Maiden33
11-24-2011, 09:18 AM
Yeah, this atrociously bad.

Maiden33
11-24-2011, 09:19 AM
It's a shame they don't expand this into a full-blown article with little explanations behind every choice, because I'd LOVE to hear the explanations behind at least a third of these. "We obligatorily picked this person because they're in an incredibly popular band - and that's about it, despite the fact that most guitarists in legit bands are better than them"

NickLed19
11-24-2011, 09:21 AM
What an awful list.

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 09:39 AM
It's always like 70% old white guys who play blues rock. And except for Jack White, you never see anyone from the last 15 years. There are so many young, innovative guitarists out there, but no, let's talk about Eric Clapton for the billionth time.

es156
11-24-2011, 11:20 AM
14 Dave Gilmore


:hmm:

TonyD
11-24-2011, 11:21 AM
Do we really need more fucking lists?
Also, James Hetfield and Kurt Cobain? No credibility to this.

GarageMetal468
11-24-2011, 11:37 AM
Don't tell me you guys are actually taking this list seriously...

christopher
11-24-2011, 12:10 PM
They forgot Michael Angelo Batio :hmm:

DementedX14
11-24-2011, 12:11 PM
:lame:

Dextrimental
11-24-2011, 12:11 PM
It's always like 70% old white guys who play blues rock. And except for Jack White, you never see anyone from the last 15 years. There are so many young, innovative guitarists out there, but no, let's talk about Eric Clapton for the billionth time.

This.

elturtleboy
11-24-2011, 03:02 PM
Johnny Ramone beats Dimebag,Angus and Slash :party:

Onioner
11-24-2011, 03:22 PM
Kurt Cobain, Johnny Ramone and Ron Asheton shouldn't be anywhere near the top 100 IMO. The way I see it, their music was ridiculously influential, but not their guitar playing at all.

Hell, Alex Lifeson being ranked 98 is a joke in and of itself. I do like that they included James Hetfield though. Save for maybe Glenn and KK from Priest, dude probably has the most influential right hand in all of metal.

JRA
11-24-2011, 03:27 PM
Yeah, this atrociously bad.

You apparently didn't see the list they made in 2003. THAT was atrociously bad. It had Eddie Van Halen at 70 for fuck's sake. This one is at least an improvement. Actually really nice to see Alex Lifeson there. Maybe in 2017 they'll include Murray/Smith, Tipton/Downing, Frehley and Dave Mustaine

ravenheart
11-24-2011, 03:29 PM
You apparently didn't see the list they made in 2003. THAT was atrociously bad. It had Eddie Van Halen at 70 for fuck's sake. This one is at least an improvement. Actually really nice to see Alex Lifeson there.

That's the difference right there. The 2003 one was the usual Rolling Stone retards doing the voting, this wasn't.

I don't mind the same old guys coming out top. They (mostly) deserve it. But yeah, people like Cobain, Paul Simon, John Lennon... they're not guitarists. They're singers who play a little guitar. There are so many great young guitarists who belong on there ahead of people like that.

mastodon421
11-24-2011, 03:38 PM
Kurt Cobain was a self-admitted shit guitar player. Nirvana is one of my favorite bands of all time, but it's not because of Cobain's guitar skill. I agree this list does suck a bag of dicks.

Dextrimental
11-24-2011, 03:39 PM
I think the biggest problem with these lists is that people often put good song-writing over good guitar playing. Cobain, Ramone, Lennon, great song-writers, but they weren't technical or ground-breaking in any of their actual guitar playing, and for a list like this its the actual guitar playing thats getting credited, not the song-writing.

MPF
11-24-2011, 04:08 PM
If Zappa isn't in the top 10 or higher, this is a shitty list.

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 04:33 PM
Well I feel the exact opposite. I don't think songwriting can possibly be overrated. That's why this list is 100 Greatest Guitar Players, not 100 Greatest Soloists.

ravenheart
11-24-2011, 04:35 PM
Well I feel the exact opposite. I don't think songwriting can possibly be overrated. That's why this list is 100 Greatest Guitar Players, not 100 Greatest Soloists.

Of course it can't. Therefore they belong on a 100 greatest songwriters list. Well, Cobain doesn't, but still. Being able to put the basics together in pleasing ways doesn't make you a great guitar player. It makes you an ordinary guitar player who's also a great songwriter.

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 04:36 PM
If you have good guitar playing without good songwriting, you might as well just make instructional videos and not bother with the whole art thing.

ravenheart
11-24-2011, 04:38 PM
If you have good guitar playing without good songwriting, you might as well just make instructional videos and not bother with the whole art thing.

Agreed. But they're completely different skills. You can be a great songwriter without being a great guitar player. All of those examples are just that.

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Also, I really don't understand the idea that Kurt Cobain was a terrible guitar player. Just because he played stripped-down riffs and didn't really solo doesn't mean he wasn't technically competent. If you don't like Nirvana, great, but to make it sound like he played like a 5 year old fucking around in a Guitar Center is patently absurd.

Maiden33
11-24-2011, 04:51 PM
I'm most definitely on the Ravenheart side of the argument here.

Also, great and Kurt Cobain don't belong in the same sentence. Ever.

JRA
11-24-2011, 04:55 PM
Pete Townsend I consider to be the greatest songwriter ever. He also was not exactly what I like to call a "lead guitar player" in the Hendrix or Page sense, but he absolutely belongs on any 100 greatest guitar players list. And while I did say that he wasn't necessarily a lead player, he still had chops.

Examples of basic songwriters who don't belong on a greatest guitarists list:

Bob Dylan
John Lennon
George Harrison
Johnny Ramone
Paul Simon
Bob Marley

Examples of basic songwriters who should be on a greatest guitarists list

Keith Richards (though he shouldn't be any higher than 90)
Paul Stanley
Jeff Buckley
Pete Townsend
James Hetfield
Tom Warrior

makethemsuffer12
11-24-2011, 04:58 PM
Also, I really don't understand the idea that Kurt Cobain was a terrible guitar player.

You don't play guitar, do you?

Maiden33
11-24-2011, 05:02 PM
I agree that songwriting is a huge trait for someone to have - but it's not a necessary trait. Think of how many great musicians are not songwriters. Is Nicko McBrain a shitty drummer because he doesn't write any songs for Maiden? Certainly not. It's relatively understood that no one person will write all of a band's parts and have them replicated verbatim, so basically anyone in a band is adding their own flavor and color to almost anything they play on.

I just don't think it should be the overruling factor on a list like this. "100 Greatest Guitarists" an "100 Best Songwriters" should be looking at vastly different criteria. A guitar player should not be thought of as LESS of a guitarist because he can't write a great song (lyrics and all). There are great players who can compose amazing guitar solos in songs they didn't "write".

And no, I don't think technical proficiency is everything - but it is something substantial, and no one should even be eligible for a list like this if they were a consistently sloppy player (live and/or in the studio) with a poor understanding of music and composition. Personal touch, emotion, and style are HUGE factors as a guitarist (and I truly believe it's what separates the mindless shredders from the truly great guitarists) - but all the emotion and "style" in the world isn't going to make me think someone with intermediate (at best) skills is "one of the world's best guitarists".

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 05:05 PM
Examples of basic songwriters who don't belong on a greatest guitarists list:

John Lennon
George HarrisonReally? Jesus, I'm not even a Beatles fan and even I think that's fucking insane.

JRA
11-24-2011, 05:06 PM
There are great players who can compose amazing guitar solos in songs they didn't "write".


Yes, yes, yes. This is why people like Ace Frehley, Marty Friedman, and even Kirk Hammett are as worshipped as they are. Fuck, Adrian and Dave only wrote what...40% of Maiden's classic output? Yet every one of those solos they write on Steve's songs are fantastic works.


Really? Jesus, I'm not even a Beatles fan and even I think that's fucking insane.

Maybe if the list was to 200. But 100? Hell no. Not after 40+ years of the shadows cast by Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Beck and the like.

powerslave_85
11-24-2011, 05:13 PM
Here's how I look at it: if said guitar player were replaced by a someone whose only similarity to them was having the exact same level of technical skill, would it fundamentally change the band and their music? Just because someone doesn't literally have that many writing credits doesn't mean their artistic vision doesn't impact the band.

Maiden33
11-24-2011, 05:14 PM
Fuck, Adrian and Dave only wrote what...40% of Maiden's classic output? Yet every one of those solos they write on Steve's songs are fantastic works.

I honestly would be surprised if the number's even that high. And I consider Adrian to easily be one of the greatest solo composers of all time. The man makes a 25 second solo a work of art in itself.

JRA
11-24-2011, 05:25 PM
Here's how I look at it: if said guitar player were replaced by a someone whose only similarity to them was having the exact same level of technical skill, would it fundamentally change the band and their music? Just because someone doesn't literally have that many writing credits doesn't mean their artistic vision doesn't impact the band.

If the guitarist being replaced isn't their primary songwriter (in which case the band usually breaks up anyway) then no, I don't think it makes an impact.

In all honesty, Vinnie Vincent and Bruce Kulick may have been (or not) a little bit better than Ace, but Kiss didn't go glam metal because of their input, they went glam because Paul Stanley thought it was the only way to survive (plus their 70's albums are a big pre-cursor to glam metal anyway).

Dextrimental
11-24-2011, 05:38 PM
Here's a good example: Chris Broderick. Man is a virtuoso if ever there was one on guitar, yet his two most famous outings were in bands he didn't actually write anything in, except for his solos. Great guitar player, but his song-writing can't be rated, because we have no way of knowing it.

Now take Kurt Cobain. Man can play and write a good song, a basic song, but a good song, yet his guitar playing would have been basic at best. Should he be rated on the same level as Chris Broderick on a guitar players list, based on the fact his skill on guitar was in song-writing? I don't think so. Song-writing is a necessary skill of a guitarist no doubt, and some entries manage to have great skill in a technical and song writing aspect, your Dimebags, Van Halens and Claptons, but on a purely guitar players list, Broderick deserves the slot and consideration way above Kurt. On a song - writers list, Kurt has it, everyday, but as just a guitarist, it's gotta be Broderick. Man is simply a better guitarist.

makethemsuffer12
11-24-2011, 05:39 PM
I agree that songwriting is a huge trait for someone to have - but it's not a necessary trait. Think of how many great musicians are not songwriters. Is Nicko McBrain a shitty drummer because he doesn't write any songs for Maiden? Certainly not. It's relatively understood that no one person will write all of a band's parts and have them replicated verbatim, so basically anyone in a band is adding their own flavor and color to almost anything they play on.

I just don't think it should be the overruling factor on a list like this. "100 Greatest Guitarists" an "100 Best Songwriters" should be looking at vastly different criteria. A guitar player should not be thought of as LESS of a guitarist because he can't write a great song (lyrics and all). There are great players who can compose amazing guitar solos in songs they didn't "write".

And no, I don't think technical proficiency is everything - but it is something substantial, and no one should even be eligible for a list like this if they were a consistently sloppy player (live and/or in the studio) with a poor understanding of music and composition. Personal touch, emotion, and style are HUGE factors as a guitarist (and I truly believe it's what separates the mindless shredders from the truly great guitarists) - but all the emotion and "style" in the world isn't going to make me think someone with intermediate (at best) skills is "one of the world's best guitarists".

This. All of this.

AnthG
11-24-2011, 05:59 PM
This is basically the first list they did like 8 years ago in a different order.

velvetgrass
11-24-2011, 08:09 PM
22 Frank Zappa

Not metal, but fuck yeah! One of my favorite musicians/composers of all time in addition to being one of the best guitarists of all time. So glad he made the list, extremely underrated.

But where's David Gilmour? He should be on this.

mankvill
11-24-2011, 08:16 PM
Not a single guitarist from Dragonforce? Fuck this list.

hellawaits77ny
11-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Not that I care about Rolling Stone at all, but it's cool to see J Mascis entered. My dad is a huge Dino Jr fan, and I don't mind them either. He's a very unique, talented guiatr player.

MPF
11-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Not metal, but fuck yeah! One of my favorite musicians/composers of all time in addition to being one of the best guitarists of all time. So glad he made the list, extremely underrated.

But where's David Gilmour? He should be on this.

Zappa and Gilmour should have been in the top 10. No questions asked.

ImmortalEmperor
11-25-2011, 02:22 PM
I agree that Zappa should be much higher. Also, placing John McLaughlin so low (68) and omitting Gary Moore makes this list laughable.

velvetgrass
11-25-2011, 03:57 PM
I agree that Zappa should be much higher. Also, placing John McLaughlin so low (68) and omitting Gary Moore makes this list laughable.

Zappa should be much higher, but just talking to most people: a lot don't know Zappa and some only know him for his humor, and not for his guitar playing or composing skills. Based simply on my experience, (I haven't seen past Rolling Stone guitar rankings mentioned) I'm thankful that he's on there at all.

I was talking to one of my best friends who is 17 (only 1 year younger than me) and we're talking guitarists: I mention Zappa, my friend really doesn't know/care much about him. Then later in the conversation I mention Steve Vai and my friend says "I've heard he's one of the greatest metal guitarists". Nothing against Steve Vai by any means, but by transcribing some of Zappa's guitar solos for The Frank Zappa Guitar Book and being in Zappa's band from 1980-1982 were the first things that made him somewhat famous. It's just sad that people near my age may have heard of Steve Vai as a great guitarist, but have never heard of Frank Zappa at all or not as a guitar player.

I am definitely one of the biggest Zappa fanatics on here. Somebody can test me with Zappa trivia, I'm serious. I was into Frank's music way before I got into metal.

christopher
11-25-2011, 07:57 PM
They forgot Doc Watson. One of the best guitarists of all time.

Maiden33
11-25-2011, 08:03 PM
Bothering to go through this list and say: "They forgot X" is so completely pointless. They "forgot" more people than they rightfully included.

illuminatus917
11-25-2011, 08:15 PM
They forgot Doc Watson. One of the best guitarists of all time.

:fist:

GarageMetal468
11-25-2011, 08:41 PM
5 pages in and the bitching about this bullshit list which we all know was going to be highly innacurate to begin with is still going strong! :fist:

metallicbrian666
11-26-2011, 06:12 AM
THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT, WHERE'S ROBB FUCKING FLYNN?

ChildrenofSodom
11-26-2011, 06:41 AM
Someone already mentioned Broderick, but hello? Where's Jeff Loomis? Then again, if this list doesn't put Iommi in the top 10, how could we expect them to respect an arpeggio sweeping god?

MetalIsArt
11-27-2011, 06:57 AM
I've become more of a bassist during the last couple of years, but MY personal favourites are:

Hetfield/Hammett
Young/Young
Slash/Stradlin
Perry/Whiford
Tony Iommi
Jimmy Page
Brian May
Gary Moore
Philip Campbell (this has to be the most underrated guitarist ever)
David Gilmour (just starting to get into Pink Floyd, but from the first notes you just KNOW he's a master, especially solo acoustic)

MetalIsArt
11-27-2011, 07:02 AM
Yes, yes, yes. This is why people like Ace Frehley, Marty Friedman, and even Kirk Hammett are as worshipped as they are. Fuck, Adrian and Dave only wrote what...40% of Maiden's classic output? Yet every one of those solos they write on Steve's songs are fantastic works.




Maybe if the list was to 200. But 100? Hell no. Not after 40+ years of the shadows cast by Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Beck and the like.

IMO, The Beatles have made some good music (especially their "serious" work and the later compositions of Harrison), but the way they get overanalysed, overpraised, worshipped and so on is just ridiculous.

Sure, they've inspired a lot of bands (like Aerosmith), but it's not that they were first with everything.

And yes, Lennon's solo work is at times much better than Mccartney's.

Go ahead, shoot me now.