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elturtleboy
04-15-2013, 10:43 AM
So, yes, LMFAO with fewer electronic elements and less catchy songs.;)

http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/AWKcomiccon.jpg

Travis The Dragon
04-15-2013, 01:45 PM
New single to be released this Friday: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=188733

Hell yes! I can't wait to hear it!

XDoomsayerX
04-15-2013, 02:59 PM
BLS :barf:
AWK :D
Two genres dont make together sense but who cares you are going for SABBATH!

BloodoftheKings
04-15-2013, 03:14 PM
I have no problem with Andrew WK opening. Whoever they get to open will just be disregarded by the majority of the crowd who just came to hear Paranoid and Iron Man anyway.

anomynous
04-15-2013, 03:18 PM
No, he's good simple pop metal. I don't mean pop metal like avenged sevenfold, but its like if Cheap Trick was a metal band. He's awesome and fun and he doesn't pretend to be anything more. Of all the bands for Black Sabbath fans to be blockhead curmudgeons about, AWK should be far down that list.

So you like Andrew WK but can't stand Steel Panther?

PVH5150
04-15-2013, 03:22 PM
September 3rd

Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena

Onsale this Saturday at 10AM Pacific Time

$46.50-$126.50 + fees.

rjturtle9
04-15-2013, 04:05 PM
September 3rd

Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena

Onsale this Saturday at 10AM Pacific Time

$46.50-$126.50 + fees.

The sports arena?! Lame!!!

elturtleboy
04-15-2013, 04:05 PM
September 3rd

Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena

Onsale this Saturday at 10AM Pacific Time

$46.50-$126.50 + fees.

Aww balls. I was hoping paying 20-40 for lawn at San Bernadino.



Also Andrew W.K. > BLS

I had fun watching AWK sing and dance then seeing some old biker play a 40 min boring ass guitar solo.

rjturtle9
04-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Aww balls. I was hoping paying 20-40 for lawn at San Bernadino.



Also Andrew W.K. > BLS

I had fun watching AWK sing and dance then seeing some old biker play a 40 min boring ass guitar solo.

This. All of it.

PVH5150
04-15-2013, 04:10 PM
Anyone > BLS

I nearly went deaf dealing with 50 minutes of them opening for Priest in 2011. Retarded volume level, indistinguishable songs and the usual Zakk schtick (awful tone, enough pinch harmonics to end world hunger and a 10 minute whammy bar jack off session).

Yes, that also means Godsmack > BLS.

elturtleboy
04-15-2013, 04:14 PM
Anyone > BLS



Yes, that also means Godsmack > BLS.

ive seen both. So I yes,I do agree

TonyD
04-15-2013, 04:24 PM
Anyone > BLS

I nearly went deaf dealing with 50 minutes of them opening for Priest in 2011. Retarded volume level, indistinguishable songs and the usual Zakk schtick (awful tone, enough pinch harmonics to end world hunger and a 10 minute whammy bar jack off session).

Yes, that also means Godsmack > BLS.

:rolleyes:

natureboy
04-15-2013, 04:30 PM
Sabbath officially announced these 4 North American dates (and various news outlets now picking them up):

http://www.blacksabbath.com/events.html

Weird that only 4 are announced so far... and each of them are exactly 10 days apart. Obviously there will be more, but what's the hold up I wonder.

PVH5150
04-15-2013, 04:37 PM
And they can't even get the first one right. Holmdel, NY? LOL

energymetal14
04-15-2013, 04:38 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks BLS is lame. I just find them painfully boring. Not sure if I'm gonna pay to see Black Sabbath, but I would much prefer Andrew WK to BLS. With that being said, I don't think ANdrew WK is the best opener, but I'm sure he would be fun to see.

natureboy
04-15-2013, 04:44 PM
And they can't even get the first one right. Holmdel, NY? LOL

Lists the Gorge for "Seattle" too... when it's about 2.5 hours away.

anomynous
04-15-2013, 04:45 PM
I'm surprised Battlecross isn't opening

natureboy
04-15-2013, 04:48 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks BLS is lame. I just find them painfully boring. Not sure if I'm gonna pay to see Black Sabbath, but I would much prefer Andrew WK to BLS. With that being said, I don't think ANdrew WK is the best opener, but I'm sure he would be fun to see.

To me, Zakk Wylde always sounds like Strong Bad playing some of his hott lixx.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkrvfC4aYEs

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 05:05 PM
As for BLS it should be known that he asked to play, not sure if in fact he will be on the tour.

marker
04-15-2013, 05:10 PM
Bls sucks live

John The Drummer
04-15-2013, 05:11 PM
Lists the Gorge for "Seattle" too... when it's about 2.5 hours away.

:lol:
This. At least when they list the White River Ampitheatre as Seattle it makes SOME sense.... some.

Sanitarium78
04-15-2013, 05:22 PM
The tickets for the august 14th show in Toronto go on sale saturday at 10am.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/10004A8CF67294CA?artistid=734569&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

I'll probably make the drive up to see this one. Hopefully we can get a show here to.

AnthG
04-15-2013, 05:36 PM
I thought i'd just chime in on this BLS vs. Andrew WK debate and declare myself a member of team Andrew, even though i'm only really familiar with like 5 of his songs.

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 05:54 PM
Too bad Sabbath didn't get a decent headliner that would please most fans of their style of music. They should have got Opeth, Ghost, Baroness, Testament, etc.

moobys37
04-15-2013, 06:05 PM
AWK is fine by me. Sabbath hasn't been about being scary and evil for years. It's about fun and this show seems like a good time.

anomynous
04-15-2013, 06:07 PM
For real though: Why can't they announce dates all at the same time?

PVH5150
04-15-2013, 06:07 PM
Too bad Sabbath didn't get a decent headliner that would please most fans of their style of music. They should have got Opeth, Ghost, Baroness, Testament, etc.

My original wish was The Holy Trinity of Doom.

Sabbath, St Vitus & Pentagram

CaptainGrog
04-15-2013, 06:31 PM
Depending on the ticket price, ill probably get lawn seats for PNC

Bengals279
04-15-2013, 06:32 PM
For real though: Why can't they announce dates all at the same time?

Ik seriously!!!! Just release the dates. Why would they just release 4???

Steev
04-15-2013, 06:32 PM
My original wish was The Holy Trinity of Doom.

Sabbath, St Vitus & Pentagram

I think people are overthinking this, Sabbath(at least usually) tours with names that sell tickets


Obviously AWK is a stretch, but more likely than most stoner/doom bands

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 06:38 PM
My original wish was The Holy Trinity of Doom.

Sabbath, St Vitus & Pentagram

Throw Down in and that would be sludgelicious...

christopher
04-15-2013, 07:13 PM
woah, Ozzy just posted this on fb, I didn't know he had been drinking/drugging again.

For the last year and a half I have been drinking and taking drugs. I was in a very dark place and was an asshole to the people I love most, my family. However, I am happy to say that I am now 44 days sober.

Just to set the record straight, Sharon and I are not divorcing. I’m just trying to be a better person.

I would like to apologize to Sharon, my family, my friends and my band mates for my insane behavior during this period………and my fans.

God Bless,

Ozzy

BloodoftheKings
04-15-2013, 07:18 PM
That's kinda saddening but good thing he's sober again.

Nater
04-15-2013, 07:19 PM
So the new Sabbath album is gonna be fucking awesome!

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 07:32 PM
So the new Sabbath album is gonna be fucking awesome!

I think my hopes are getting high (no pun intended)!!!

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 07:33 PM
Dates have leaked for Black Sabbath and Megadeth's South American dates:

Thursday 3 October 2013
Black Sabbath
Megadeth TBA
Porto Alegre, Brazil

Friday 4 October 2013
Black Sabbath
Megadeth Campo de Marte
São Paulo, Brazil

Black Sabbath
Megadeth Estadio Monumental
Santiago, Chile

Saturday 5 October 2013
Black Sabbath
Megadeth TBA
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Sunday 6 October 2013
Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath, Megadeth Estadio Ciudad de La Plata
La Plata, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Wednesday 16 October 2013
Black Sabbath
Megadeth Por confirmar
Lima, Peru

Saturday 26 October 2013
Black Sabbath
Megadeth Foro Sol
Ciudad de México, Mexico City, Mexico

SOURCE (http://www.facebook.com/wolverinekills)

dcmetal108
04-15-2013, 07:47 PM
Since Motorhead cancelled their tour they should just be the opener.

IrritatedTrout
04-15-2013, 08:03 PM
I hope they announce the rest of the dates in one go so I know where I'll have to go if they play my area while I'm on vacation.

Xenocide
04-15-2013, 08:19 PM
Wolverine there's a mansfield ma date at the comcast center right?

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 08:26 PM
Wolverine there's a mansfield ma date at the comcast center right?

Ummmm I never said that....

EvilCheeseWedge
04-15-2013, 08:31 PM
I guess Ozzy wasn't completely sober for recording 13:

For the last year and a half I have been drinking and taking drugs. I was in a very dark place and was an asshole to the people I love most, my family. However, I am happy to say that I am now 44 days sober.

Just to set the record straight, Sharon and I are not divorcing. I’m just trying to be a better person.

I would like to apologize to Sharon, my family, my friends and my band mates for my insane behavior during this period………and my fans.

God Bless,

Ozzy

IrritatedTrout
04-15-2013, 08:44 PM
Ummmm I never said that....

I know you probably can't talk about the rest of the leaked dates but any idea when they might be officially announced?


It's sad that Ozzy went back to his old habits again. He seemed to be trying really hard to stay sober. :(

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-15-2013, 11:43 PM
I know you probably can't talk about the rest of the leaked dates but any idea when they might be officially announced?


It's sad that Ozzy went back to his old habits again. He seemed to be trying really hard to stay sober. :(

Considering the others are going onsale this week, I would say tomorrow, Tuesday... today... lol. I think the problems were that they didn't have the opening act(s) signed up but that is just a guess. I know BLS was in talks 2 weeks ago which is late at this stage of the game if you ask me.

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-16-2013, 01:27 AM
08/04 Holmdel, NJ – PNC Bank Arts Center
08/14 Toronto, ON – Air Canada Centre
08/12 Mansfield, MA -- Comcast Center
08/24 Seattle, WA – Gorge Amphitheatre
09/03 Los Angeles, CA – Los Angeles Sports Arena

Leaked via ticket sites or radio stations

christopher
04-16-2013, 01:42 AM
Too bad they didn't just make it Ozzfest

Xenocide
04-16-2013, 05:12 AM
Fuck. Yeah.

ravenheart
04-16-2013, 05:55 AM
Those SA dates are all old from Last.fm. They haven't been updated in weeks on there though, so the Sao Paulo venue, for instance, is different. The Lima date was finally officially confirmed by the promoter yesterday, but no confirmed venue.

Also, the rumoured dates currently have two cities on the same day, so at least one of those is incorrect.

This is often the case with big SA tours though. Little bits of information leak out all the time and everything changes once the official confirmation comes out.

All but the Mansfield date on the NA run were officially announced last night. Pre-sales starts Thursday using a code from here (https://www.facebook.com/events/147056262140133/?context=create). General on-sale on Friday.

Wrecking Crew
04-16-2013, 11:44 AM
So the presales are starting before all the dates are announced? That sucks since those of us who will have to travel won't know where the best place to travel is yet.

natureboy
04-16-2013, 11:59 AM
So the presales are starting before all the dates are announced? That sucks since those of us who will have to travel won't know where the best place to travel is yet.

Yup. Blows. Oh well.

IrritatedTrout
04-16-2013, 01:01 PM
It does suck. Luckily I can't make any of the four dates so at least I don't have to worry about them but I hope the rest of them are announced at once. Also, Andrew W.K. isn't listed as the opener anymore.

Steev
04-16-2013, 01:08 PM
They'll announce more dates, I'm not concerned

elturtleboy
04-16-2013, 01:30 PM
Too bad they didn't just make it Ozzfest

this to the max

ravenheart
04-17-2013, 01:40 AM
They'll announce more dates, I'm not concerned

At least a few more, for sure. Across the whole tour they're basically playing every other night. That makes available August 6, 8, 10, 16, 18, 20, 22, 26, 28, 30 and September 1 around the currently announced shows. And that's just assuming that Holmdel is opening night and Los Angeles is closing night.

Definitely not need to panic just yet. Although I do hate this whole announcing a few shows at a time thing.

ravenheart
04-17-2013, 01:46 AM
This comment from Tony Iommi pretty much confirms I'll be getting the deluxe edition:

"There are 16 tracks in total, and all of them will appear in some form or other on the album when it is released. There will be different versions, including a deluxe edition."

UK ticket fiasco continues too. Extra show announced this morning, no pre-warning, and different agencies sending out the information at different times, so of course there are no good tickets left.

IrritatedTrout
04-17-2013, 05:32 AM
At least a few more, for sure. Across the whole tour they're basically playing every other night. That makes available August 6, 8, 10, 16, 18, 20, 22, 26, 28, 30 and September 1 around the currently announced shows. And that's just assuming that Holmdel is opening night and Los Angeles is closing night.

Definitely not need to panic just yet. Although I do hate this whole announcing a few shows at a time thing.

Yeah, plus the tour is supposed to start in late July.

Steev
04-17-2013, 06:20 AM
I'm figuring Camden, NJ gets one

They got Ozzfest pretty much every year(even 2010)

snowdog2112
04-18-2013, 12:36 PM
Did anyone hear the new single? Played on Ozzy boneyard on satellite radio I missed it

moobys37
04-18-2013, 12:37 PM
http://www.iheartradio.com/player/?mid=23086234

mr. roti
04-18-2013, 12:43 PM
Its allright! Not expecting too much out of it anyway...

snowdog2112
04-18-2013, 12:50 PM
Not bad

John The Drummer
04-18-2013, 01:03 PM
Weird.... the moment I clicked on this the new track came on the radio... I think it's new Sabbath at least.... not familiar at all.

John The Drummer
04-18-2013, 01:29 PM
BOOM! Turns out it was new Sabbath. Meh, it really wasn't nothing special, just sounded like a new BlacK Sabbath song :\

Reminded me a lot of the sound/tone of the Heaven & Hell album they did with Dio. Dio would have been better :(

HugeRockStar
04-18-2013, 01:37 PM
Meh.

Jochen
04-18-2013, 01:51 PM
It's a decent song, but it's too compressed.

natureboy
04-18-2013, 02:07 PM
Managed to score pit tix this AM for the Gorge show. May scrap this plan if they announce a Texas date but for now it's an excellent back up plan.

300%_Density
04-18-2013, 02:29 PM
I'll have to agree w/ the people who commented on the IHR site. Starting from 6:23 the song really picks up and has more of a harder blues sound that reminds me more of the S/T than anything else.

This makes me quite happy. If you assume, the single is usually one of the worst songs on the album (which is usually the case), then this album is sounding pretty good to me.

Onioner
04-18-2013, 02:41 PM
I can see how this album will go back to S/T's bluesier sound, but I was honestly really hoping for something heavier. The Devil You Know had some of Iommi's most crushing riffing IMO, so I was really hoping that this album would be a continuation of that sound.

PowerMaiden
04-18-2013, 03:24 PM
I really like that song


Cheers !
PowerMaiden

anomynous
04-18-2013, 03:29 PM
No Rev = No Sabbath

PVH5150
04-18-2013, 03:35 PM
It's a decent song, but it's too compressed.

Rick Rubin produced it, what do you expect?

Jochen
04-18-2013, 03:36 PM
Rick Rubin produced it, what do you expect?

I thought this would be the exception.

Bengals279
04-18-2013, 03:39 PM
I thought it was a good song. Listened to it like 4 times in a row

Nater
04-18-2013, 04:06 PM
I'm glad they kept the tone from the Heaven and Hell stuff. Shit was brutal in an awesome Sabbath way. It sounds good enough to me for a radio single. I have high expectations for this album

EvilCheeseWedge
04-18-2013, 04:11 PM
Radio stream is super compressed. iTunes is live though (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/13-deluxe-version/id633814827). Album pre-order nets you "God is Dead?" now, or you can buy just the track. I'll buy it tomorrow and listen on my studio monitors and pull it up in Pro Tools and see how the compression looks in terms of whether it's mastered too hot.

Travis The Dragon
04-18-2013, 04:16 PM
I'm really loving this! I feel exactly like I'm listening to the first 2 Sabbath albums. I absolutely can't wait to hear the rest!

Onioner
04-18-2013, 04:16 PM
Rick Rubin produced it, what do you expect?

It's the engineers Rick employs that ruin his albums, not Rick himself. Rick is good at getting the artist in a place where they recognize and cultivate what makes them great. It's the reason why creatively speaking, albums produced by Rick Rubin are often considered comebacks or career highlights. His engineers though, are a whole other story. There's a reason why Reign in Blood is considered a sonic masterpiece and Death Magnetic is anything but that even though Rick produced both of those albums. Anyone with Google at their disposal should be able to figure out the specific reason why those albums sound the way they do.

W0unds
04-18-2013, 06:00 PM
I like this much more than I had expected. Looking forward to hearing a better quality copy.

EvilCheeseWedge
04-18-2013, 07:12 PM
Here's an official YouTube stream of "God is Dead?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVfUimq2KeI)

elturtleboy
04-18-2013, 07:41 PM
Yeah its pretty boring. Maybe it'll grow on me. Ozzy fixed up vocals are the main things that bugs me. I'll admit towards the 6 min mark it got way better. But the whole beginning just sounds like a new typical Ozzy solo song. I feel like he got on drugs and ruined his marriage for nothing. Him getting fucked up made me think he was gonna sound better. NOPE! IDk,we'll see.

PVH5150
04-18-2013, 07:56 PM
Ozzy fixed up vocals are the main things that bugs me.

Nearly all of Ozzy's solo work from Ozzmosis onwards sounds 100% more doctored than this.

I hear a slight reverb/echo effect and some double tracking in spots, but nothing more. Ozzy solo from 1995 onward sounded nearly auto-tuned.

IrritatedTrout
04-18-2013, 08:11 PM
Geez is up high in the mix, nice. Drums are good so far. Little slow but pretty eerie sounding too. Ozz just came in, I don't think he sounds bad, less fake sounding than his recent solo stuff. I can hear a bit of autotune though for sure.

Not super crazy about the riffing on the chorus, its ok. Lyrics are pretty cool so far. Don't really like the part around the 5 minute mark. 6:20 - Hell yes, sounds bluesy like the first album. Ending was a bit abrupt, would have liked more solo work from Tony.



So those are my initial thoughts. :lol: Overall, I liked it. Ozz sounds better than I thought he would and Wilk sounds pretty good and I don't mind the production. Bit overly long though.

Sanitarium78
04-18-2013, 08:27 PM
The song is avaiable on iTunes now. The quality is better than the one that was posted on here. Pretty solid song, if the rest of the album is on par with this we'll have an enjoyable record.

Not sure why some thought Ozzy's vocals were gonna sound different here then they have for the last 15 years or so. His voice sounds exactly like I expected it would.

SomewhereInTime72
04-18-2013, 09:01 PM
Pretty enjoyable song. I had no expectations either way, but I'm glad it turned out to be pretty good and not bad. It's not fantastic or anything, but good's good. Interested in the album.

christopher
04-18-2013, 09:05 PM
I'm pretty happy with it. Can't wait to hear more.

daimonos
04-19-2013, 01:04 AM
Rick Rubin produced it, what do you expect?

People nowadays really seem to mix up the roles of an engineer with a producer, especially when they want to talk shit about Rick Rubin.

adamclark52
04-19-2013, 02:12 AM
I guess I got what I expected from the new song. I wasn't clamoring for it and didn't expect to be blown out of my seat. But what I really didn't expect was that I got bored and changed the channel about halfway through.

christopher
04-19-2013, 02:51 AM
I guess I got what I expected from the new song. I wasn't clamoring for it and didn't expect to be blown out of my seat. But what I really didn't expect was that I got bored and changed the channel about halfway through.

You missed the best part then! The song was kind of slow at first, but the last half if amazing!

ravenheart
04-19-2013, 04:45 AM
I sampled a few seconds from the beginning middle and end, found it to be exactly what I expected (Ozzy singing for Heaven & Hell - there, I said it), and stopped because I don't want to spoil hearing the whole album for the first time when it arrives in June.

ravenheart
04-19-2013, 04:46 AM
People nowadays really seem to mix up the roles of an engineer with a producer, especially when they want to talk shit about Rick Rubin.

I would actually really be interested in some of the guys here who are involved in record production/engineering/mixing etc. giving a detailed breakdown of exactly what parts of what we hear on any given album are due to which person. And what it is they do to achieve it etc.

Onioner
04-19-2013, 10:23 AM
I would actually really be interested in some of the guys here who are involved in record production/engineering/mixing etc. giving a detailed breakdown of exactly what parts of what we hear on any given album are due to which person. And what it is they do to achieve it etc.

The raw vocal, guitar, bass and drum tones were because of the engineers who tracked the sessions. They likely spent half a day just messing with their gear and the artist's equipment trying to get one instrument sound that they liked. The mix engineers took said tones, EQ them to their liking, add reverb, possibly replace kick drums with samples (that's Andy Sneap's technique anyway), and do whatever they've got to do to get a mix they like.

Now this is where it gets tricky. Some mixing engineers have been doing what is supposed to be the mastering engineer's job and crank their master fader (basically the one fader in Pro-Tools/Logic that brings every active instrument fader up or down simultaneously) to oblivion. This results in clipping, which is when part of a wave form gets effectively chopped into a flat line because it hit the "ceiling" so to speak of digital audio- that's 0 dB. We hear clipping as digital distortion. When a mastering engineer receives a mix, they're supposed to balance the overall EQ from track to track, make the songs loud enough for the market and add fades and transitions where necessary. When a mastering engineer receives a jacked mix of the kind I just mentioned, there is nearly nothing they can do to fix it. This is what happened to Death Magnetic, and Stadium Arcadium, both Rick Rubin productions. Rick Rubin has probably never manned a board in his entire career. Yes, he deserves some blame for letting these albums get pressed sounding they way they do, but he is not directly responsible for the sound of any of his records in an engineering sense.

daimonos
04-19-2013, 10:32 AM
Wow, someone actually gets it.

Rick Rubin's job isn't to make the album sound good, his job is to keep Sabbath in check and make sure they don't make a shit album. From arrangements, advice, critiques, ect. That sort of thing.

Wrecking Crew
04-19-2013, 12:16 PM
Now this is where it gets tricky. Some mixing engineers have been doing what is supposed to be the mastering engineer's job and crank their master fader (basically the one fader in Pro-Tools/Logic that brings every active instrument fader up or down simultaneously) to oblivion. This results in clipping, which is when part of a wave form gets effectively chopped into a flat line because it hit the "ceiling" so to speak of digital audio- that's 0 dB. We hear clipping as digital distortion. When a mastering engineer receives a mix, they're supposed to balance the overall EQ from track to track, make the songs loud enough for the market and add fades and transitions where necessary. When a mastering engineer receives a jacked mix of the kind I just mentioned, there is nearly nothing they can do to fix it. This is what happened to Death Magnetic, and Stadium Arcadium, both Rick Rubin productions. Rick Rubin has probably never manned a board in his entire career. Yes, he deserves some blame for letting these albums get pressed sounding they way they do, but he is not directly responsible for the sound of any of his records in an engineering sense.

Thanks for the breakdown, I was wondering who to blame for the clipping present in so much music today. I had to get a new CD player 10 years ago just because of clipping. It's amazing the difference when you pop in a CD from the '80s or early '90s versus most anything after around 2002.

Onioner
04-19-2013, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the breakdown, I was wondering who to blame for the clipping present in so much music today. I had to get a new CD player 10 years ago just because of clipping. It's amazing the difference when you pop in a CD from the '80s or early '90s versus most anything after around 2002.

Well, what I explained is the reason that explains why Death Magnetic sounds the way it did. It's the exception, not the rule. Most other albums get cranked to hell in the mastering, not the mixing. 95% of mix engineers leave a ton of room for the mastering engineer to make the track louder. Digital limiters and compressors have gotten a lot better in recent years. You can get a pretty jacked signal without any clipping and distortion if you've got the plugins/hardware and a bit of ingenuity.

It's a cyclical thing. For like 50 years artists have been competing for the loudest track around. Mastering engineers have had to acquiesce to the artists/labels' desire for a loud song or risk losing business. What's different about now as opposed to a few years ago is that mastering engineers finally have the technology to get a really loud signal that sounds good. Not nearly as nice as a song with most of its dynamic range intact mind you, but certainly good enough.

Northern_Shaman
04-19-2013, 08:48 PM
I'm about to ask a potentially retarded (series of) question(s).

Why the fuck is this 'CD volume' bullshit an issue to begin with? Who cares about this? Don't you people have volume controls on whatever you're listening to music with? Why the fuck did this become a thing? Who would be losing business due to tracks not being 'loud enough'?!?

I don't get it.

anomynous
04-19-2013, 10:35 PM
Can't tell if serious

MetalIsArt
04-20-2013, 01:56 AM
FUCK BLACK SABBATHS NEW SONG IS GREAT

MetalIsArt
04-20-2013, 01:58 AM
Geez is up high in the mix, nice. Drums are good so far. Little slow but pretty eerie sounding too. Ozz just came in, I don't think he sounds bad, less fake sounding than his recent solo stuff. I can hear a bit of autotune though for sure.

Not super crazy about the riffing on the chorus, its ok. Lyrics are pretty cool so far. Don't really like the part around the 5 minute mark. 6:20 - Hell yes, sounds bluesy like the first album. Ending was a bit abrupt, would have liked more solo work from Tony.



So those are my initial thoughts. :lol: Overall, I liked it. Ozz sounds better than I thought he would and Wilk sounds pretty good and I don't mind the production. Bit overly long though.

"Geez" has always been prominent in the mix.

Onioner
04-20-2013, 04:17 AM
I'm about to ask a potentially retarded (series of) question(s).

Why the fuck is this 'CD volume' bullshit an issue to begin with? Who cares about this? Don't you people have volume controls on whatever you're listening to music with? Why the fuck did this become a thing? Who would be losing business due to tracks not being 'loud enough'?!?

I don't get it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

This explains the loudness thing, which is related to the problems we associate with Rick Rubin's productions, but not quite one in the same. On a record, clipped signal is so because it is too loud. Loud signal is not necessary clipped. Squares and rectangles dude. And yes, we do have volume controls, that's very true- too bad artists and labels don't give a shit. Artists and label people for the most part, don't know a thing about sound engineering. To them, louder = better. Now think about this for a second- mastering engineer delivers final product to label. Label says "This isn't loud enough, do it again." Mastering engineer either says no and loses not just present, but also future business, or says yes and keeps present and future business. That's why albums have gotten louder over the years. It's literally a competition, and engineers are forced to encourage it in order to stay in business.

Like I said earlier, loudness isn't really much of a problem anymore. It was before when engineers had to literally drive signal through the roof to increase the loudness of a track. In 2013 modern mastering technology can get a good sounding jacked signal. Yes, some dynamic range would be nice, but there are a lot of albums that sound perfectly good while still being really loud. The Devil You Know is actually a really good example of this funny enough. Most people that complain about 'loud mastering' spend more time staring at waveforms instead of actively listening and making a judgement based on that (to anyone that judges a track's quality based on a waveform photo, listen with your ears, not your eyes). Clipping always equals distortion, and for the most part distortion = bad. As of now, clipping is now a result of a small number of things including, but definitely not limited to these:

1) A mix engineer that jacks the album to oblivion for purposes that supposedly serves the mix. Ted Jensen, the guy who mastered Death Magnetic, claimed that the mixed tracks he was sent was already clipped- that's an example of this scenario.

2) The artist themselves clip the track or part of the track for artistic purposes. Trent Reznor did this to some NIN instrument tracks to achieve a desired digital distortion effect. If that's what the artist was going for, then more power to them.

3) The mastering engineer doesn't have the tech or the knowhow to get a song to be loud without clipping the signal. This scenario was the most common one, but it should be happening much less frequently as time goes on.

Just listen to The Tenant by Ludicra. The album has one of the best modern metal productions in every single area- performances, tones, mixing and mastering- while still being really fucking loud. Same with Andy Sneap's recent productions, he especially has really improved in that regard in the last couple of years. To be honest with every single person here, dynamic range compression is absolutely necessary. If you like listening to music in your car, or on earbuds, or in any other environment where you're listening to music with shit happening in the background, compression makes your music listenable. The only people who can actually enjoy records with zero dynamic compression are people that are able to listen to music in otherwise silent environments. That's probably like 5% of any act's fanbase at best, and realistically only 2%. Basically, compression can act as the glue of a good mix. Quieter elements are brought up, and more abrasive ones are toned down. It also adds uniformity to the volume of a track, so that way you don't have to constantly adjust the volume as you listen to it. It also has the potential of causing the opposite extreme- a song can sound 'too together' and can sound too tightly packed for lack of a better phrase. Limiters can potentially avoid some of this issue thanks to some black motherfuck audio magic that I don't understand, but they're certainly not a definitive solution.

And to everyone here, if my posts haven't indicated this enough already, this whole loudness and compression issue is a very complicated issue. There is no perfect solution other than to hope that the engineers give every song the unique treatment it deserves. And as far as this Black Sabbath song is concerned, I do like that all the instruments are nicely balanced in the mix. I'm not a fan of the drum tones, the kick drum sounds especially super weak during the slow bits. I also think that the loud parts of the song are just a tad too compressed. One of the great things about Paranoid, Master of Reality and Vol 4 was how well the mix breathed- you could practically feel the air on those albums, even if their fidelity wasn't too great, especially on Vol 4. The instruments weren't merely all audible, but there was space in between them too. That's the big thing missing from God is Dead to me, but it won't be a deal breaker- it certainly wasn't on The Devil You Know anyway, although the issue wasn't nearly as pronounced on that album.

If anyone has any more engineering questions and whatnot, just shoot me a PM. I've hijacked this thread enough already haha. I'm also afraid that if I go into any more detail about specific albums that I know the production process of, I'll put something on here that I'll later regret.

MetalIsArt
04-20-2013, 04:22 AM
I had absolutely NO problems of hearing every instrument on Devil You Know.

Put on Vapor Trails or, unfortunately, Death Magnetic... God Is Dead doesn't sound anything like that. And I do like the latter album, thank you.

Onioner
04-20-2013, 05:06 AM
I had absolutely NO problems of hearing every instrument on Devil You Know.

Put on Vapor Trails or, unfortunately, Death Magnetic... God Is Dead doesn't sound anything like that. And I do like the latter album, thank you.

Cool, neither did I haha. I think The Devil You Know had a fantastic modern production. Sure I'll take Master of Reality over it any day, but for a metal album released in 2009 The Devil You Know kicked all sorts of ass. Tony's tone on The Devil You Know in particular is one of my favorite guitar tones ever. Heavier than TIME.

Vapor Trails and Death Magnetic are both examples of clipping negatively impacting the songs. My opinions on the production quality of an album have literally nothing to do with what I think of the music itself, so please don't think I'm bashing the music on Death Magnetic in any way. I also never said God is Dead suffered from the same issues as Death Magnetic, only that I didn't like the kick sound and that I thought it was just too compressed at times. As far as earbuds playing back the YouTube stream are showing me, I don't hear any clipping, which is great! I like the mix on the album a lot too, everything is audible and Geezer especially takes no effort to pick out without sacrificing Tony's tone.

MetalIsArt
04-20-2013, 06:18 AM
My favorite BS album will always be Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

IrritatedTrout
04-20-2013, 06:37 AM
"Geez" has always been prominent in the mix.

Because the mix of a 2013 album will automatically sound the same as one from the 1970's right?:tp:

MetalIsArt
04-20-2013, 06:51 AM
Because the mix of a 2013 album will automatically sound the same as one from the 1970's right?:tp:

Did I ever say that? You made it seem like Geezer's bass was never "there".

IrritatedTrout
04-20-2013, 07:20 AM
Moving on...

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=188984

Pretty sweet set. I like the cave stage design. God, they need to announce the rest of the US dates. What's the holdup?

dcmetal108
04-20-2013, 10:46 AM
Finally listened to the new song and it's not that bad.

Sanitarium78
04-20-2013, 01:47 PM
Well this was unexpected. My brother and I were gonna go to the show in Toronto which went on sale to the public this morning. After I got home from work this afternoon I went to get my tickets and there are only single seats left:eek: I guess I underestimated the demand our neighbors to the north have for Sabbath. Maybe they'll add a second show. That might be why they're holding off on announcing other dates. They might wanna see how these first few shows sell in north america and then go from there.

IrritatedTrout
04-20-2013, 07:55 PM
The show in Jersey only has a few tickets left in the 400 sections as well. But I bet scalpers are buying up a ton of tickets.

Bengals279
04-20-2013, 09:16 PM
God why can't they just announce the dates already?

ravenheart
04-22-2013, 01:43 AM
Well this was unexpected. My brother and I were gonna go to the show in Toronto which went on sale to the public this morning. After I got home from work this afternoon I went to get my tickets and there are only single seats left:eek: I guess I underestimated the demand our neighbors to the north have for Sabbath. Maybe they'll add a second show. That might be why they're holding off on announcing other dates. They might wanna see how these first few shows sell in north america and then go from there.

Never leave tickets for an obviously in-demand show until you get home. If they go on sale at 9am, you need to be on that shit at 9am. And even then, if they're doing the shitty VIP and platinum package stuff in the US like they are here, you probably still won't get anything good.

Steev
04-22-2013, 05:31 AM
Even the VIP is sold out at most venues

ravenheart
04-22-2013, 05:36 AM
Even the VIP is sold out at most venues

More or less the same for all shows here.

MetalIsArt
04-22-2013, 06:23 AM
And of course, you'll be a VIP too ;)

Sanitarium78
04-22-2013, 07:53 AM
Never leave tickets for an obviously in-demand show until you get home. If they go on sale at 9am, you need to be on that shit at 9am. And even then, if they're doing the shitty VIP and platinum package stuff in the US like they are here, you probably still won't get anything good.

Thanks for the lesson on how to buy concert tickets. After 21 years of going to shows I wasn't sure what I should do;)

Like I said, I was at work and there was really nothing I could do about getting tickets right when they went on sale at 10am. I underestimated the demand there was for Sabbath. But then again, how many concerts sell out today? Esepcially when we're talking about a metal show. Hardly any of the metal bands who can play arenas or amphitheaters sell out their shows the day tickets go on sale over here. It may be different in the UK though. I honestly did think when I got home at 3 o'clock that afternoon that there would still be something decent left. This is the first time I can recall not being able to get tickets for a show I wanted to go to the day they went on sale.

Oh well, the rest of the dates have yet to be announced so maybe they'll add a second Toronto show or we will get a show down here in either Buffalo or Rochester.

ravenheart
04-22-2013, 09:18 AM
Thanks for the lesson on how to buy concert tickets. After 21 years of going to shows I wasn't sure what I should do;)

Damn right, you should know better ;)

I totally didn't work from home the morning Sabbath tickets went on sale for London... :eyes:

ravenheart
04-22-2013, 09:25 AM
We finally have a confirmed tracklist:

1. End Of The Beginning (8:07)
2. God Is Dead? (8:54)
3. Loner (5:06)
4. Zeitgeist (4:28)
5. Age Of Reason (7:02)
6. Live Forever (4:49)
7. Damaged Soul (7:43)
8. Dear Father (7:06)
9. Methademic (6:00) [DELUXE EDITION]
10. Peace of Mind (3:43) [DELUXE EDITION]
11. Pariah (5:35) [DELUXE EDITION]

Not sure if the deluxe edition double CD will include those tracks on the end of the first disc, or on the second disc.

MunicipalWasted
04-25-2013, 12:37 PM
Thu- Jul 25 Houston, TX @ Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
Sat-Jul 27 Austin, TX @ Frank Erwin Center
Mon-Jul 29 Tampa, FL @ Live Nation Amphitheatre
Wed-Jul 31 W. Palm Beach, FL @ Cruzan Amphitheatre
Fri-Aug 02 Bristow, VA @ Jiffy Lube Live
Sun-Aug 04 Holmdel, NJ @ PNC Bank Arts Center
Tue-Aug 06 Detroit, MI @ DTE Energy Music Theatre
Thu-Aug 08 Uncasville, CT @ Mohegan Sun Arena
Sat-Aug 10 Philadelphia, PA @ Wells Fargo Center
Mon-Aug 12 Boston, MA @ Comcast Center
Wed-Aug 14 Toronto, ON @ Air Canada Centre
Fri Aug 16 Tinley Park, IL @ First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre
Sun-Aug 18 Indianapolis, IN @ Klipsch Music Center
Thu-Aug 22 Vancouver, BC @ Rogers Arena
Sat-Aug 24 Seattle, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre
Mon-Aug 26 San Francisco, CA @ Shoreline Amphitheatre at Mountain View
Wed-Aug 28 Irvine, CA @ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre
Fri-Aug 30 Phoenix, AZ @ US Airways Center
Sun-Sep 01 Las Vegas, NV @ MGM Grand Garden Arena
Tue-Sep 03 Los Angeles, CA @ Los Angeles Sports Arena

Nater
04-25-2013, 12:55 PM
I'm in. No way I'm gonna miss Sabbath.

marker
04-25-2013, 12:56 PM
I love Ozzy, but I really doubt he'll make it through all those shows. He's been missing shows on and off for like ten years now because of his health. Of course they release the Irvine show after people bought tickets to see them at the dump that is the L.A. Sports Arena.

anomynous
04-25-2013, 01:13 PM
of course nowhere close.

moobys37
04-25-2013, 01:18 PM
of course nowhere close.

Highly doubt as long as Tony's cancer stays in check this will be their only tour.

Onioner
04-25-2013, 01:19 PM
Yup, definitely happy I didn't buy tickets for LA. See you dudes at Irvine, and maybe even Shoreline too. Actually make that Shoreline for sure and maybe Irvine. Shoreline might have the best lawn ever.

Christen
04-25-2013, 01:24 PM
Highly doubt as long as Tony's cancer stays in check this will be their only tour.

Will just have to keep fingers crossed I suppose. Will have to pass on this right now since I can't afford the trip to Vancouver.

mankvill
04-25-2013, 01:30 PM
I'm not too upset.

slapguitarer
04-25-2013, 01:39 PM
Great way to start off the semester!

rjturtle9
04-25-2013, 01:40 PM
Yup, definitely happy I didn't buy tickets for LA. See you dudes at Irvine, and maybe even Shoreline too. Actually make that Shoreline for sure and maybe Irvine. Shoreline might have the best lawn ever.

I'm glad I didn't buy tickets to the LA show either. I'll probably just get lawn in Irvine. Not too excited about seeing Sabbath to be honest.

moobys37
04-25-2013, 01:46 PM
I'm not too upset.

Also this.

I saw Sabbath 9 years ago and Ozzy already wasn't sounding too hot. Keep your expectations low and you'll have a much better time.

dcmetal108
04-25-2013, 01:51 PM
I'll try my best to go to the Tinley Park show.

PVH5150
04-25-2013, 01:53 PM
Definitely doing Mohegan and will probably do Comcast.

I'd much rather see them in a medium sized arena than a large summer shed with terrible acoustics.

NickLed19
04-25-2013, 02:36 PM
Its not even Sabbath, so I could care less. When Bill Ward is on the drums, I will care.

Bengals279
04-25-2013, 02:37 PM
I'm not too upset.

I am God Damnit

Jochen
04-25-2013, 02:40 PM
I don't care how Ozzy sounds, I care even less that Ward isn't drumming, when I saw them at Lollapalooza last year, they were awesome and I had a blast seeing them. I'm definitely going to Tinley Park.

TonyD
04-25-2013, 02:40 PM
Also this.

I saw Sabbath 9 years ago and Ozzy already wasn't sounding too hot. Keep your expectations low and you'll have a much better time.

My first concert was nearly 9 years ago :eyes:

anomynous
04-25-2013, 02:47 PM
No Portnoy = No Sabbath

Skyline Chili Buoy
04-25-2013, 02:58 PM
I looked back through a few pages and didn't find the information, is there an opener for this tour?

maidenpriest
04-25-2013, 03:21 PM
I'll probably go to this. Can write Ozzy off my bucket list and see Iommi play live, which I'm more stoked for. :D

Onioner
04-25-2013, 03:26 PM
I don't care about seeing Black Sabbath so much as I care about seeing Tony Iommi. The riff-lord is Black Sabbath anyway, Bill or no Bill.

Jochen
04-25-2013, 03:26 PM
I looked back through a few pages and didn't find the information, is there an opener for this tour?

Andrew WK

IrritatedTrout
04-25-2013, 03:49 PM
Fuck yes! I leave for a week-long vacation on August 3rd, the DC date is August 2nd!:D Shame the Philly date is while I'll be away or I would probably do that one too but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. And it's a GA pit in DC which is really nice.


:party::rocker::horns:

Travis The Dragon
04-25-2013, 04:11 PM
As much as I love Sabbath, I don't like Ozzy's stage presence. I can't stand the silly, dopey way he claps his hands and jumps and such.

Bengals279
04-25-2013, 04:12 PM
As much as I love Sabbath, I don't like Ozzy's stage presence. I can't stand the silly, dopey way he claps his hands and jumps and such.

LMAO he looks like a chicken

hiddenzombie013
04-25-2013, 04:36 PM
FUCK YES TAMPA! I was expecting them to come to Atlanta at best, but nope, third date of the tour (and ironically, ATL got skipped)! I will go pit for this unless it's outrageously expensive (which it very well could be). So stoked.

Fun fact: this is two days before Mayhem Fest here, so it's gonna be a sweet week of metal.

justinm4bama
04-25-2013, 04:55 PM
FUCK YES TAMPA! I was expecting them to come to Atlanta at best, but nope, third date of the tour (and ironically, ATL got skipped)! I will go pit for this unless it's outrageously expensive (which it very well could be). So stoked.

Fun fact: this is two days before Mayhem Fest here, so it's gonna be a sweet week of metal.

Yeah it fucking blows that FL gets two dates and Atlanta doesn't get a single one.

Skyline Chili Buoy
04-25-2013, 04:59 PM
Andrew WK

Sounds like a party.

IrritatedTrout
04-25-2013, 07:12 PM
FUCK YES TAMPA! I was expecting them to come to Atlanta at best, but nope, third date of the tour (and ironically, ATL got skipped)! I will go pit for this unless it's outrageously expensive (which it very well could be). So stoked.

Fun fact: this is two days before Mayhem Fest here, so it's gonna be a sweet week of metal.

Best seats seem to be $150 in most places.

RampinUp46
04-25-2013, 07:48 PM
Sat-Jul 27 Austin, TX @ Frank Erwin Center

Time to sell a kidney. :rocker:

Steev
04-25-2013, 09:42 PM
Philly show, sweet


Hopefully the floor is GA

Disturbed95
04-26-2013, 05:25 AM
Will be at the Mansfield date... although i hate the comcast center

Sanitarium78
04-26-2013, 12:07 PM
Its not even Sabbath, so I could care less. When Bill Ward is on the drums, I will care.

Then somebody owes me an explination because I have a bunch of CDs released between 1981 and 1995 that say "Black Sabbath" on the cover. Ward didn't drum on any of those so they're lying to me about it being Black Sabbath. Who was the band that played on all those albums then?:D

I love Ozzy, but I really doubt he'll make it through all those shows. He's been missing shows on and off for like ten years now because of his health. Of course they release the Irvine show after people bought tickets to see them at the dump that is the L.A. Sports Arena.

Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure Ozzy has been good the last few tours and has missed very few shows.

Also this.

I saw Sabbath 9 years ago and Ozzy already wasn't sounding too hot. Keep your expectations low and you'll have a much better time.

Ozzy not being a good live singer is nothing new. I've heard live boots from throughout his career and his voice has always been hit and miss live. People talk about this all the time like it's some kind of new revelation.

ravenheart
04-26-2013, 01:02 PM
Ozzy not being a good live singer is nothing new. I've heard live boots from throughout his career and his voice has always been hit and miss live. People talk about this all the time like it's some kind of new revelation.

I've seen him 4 times. Two times he was great. Two times he was shit. I know I've only got a 50% chance of a good night each time, and I'm OK with that.

ravenheart
04-26-2013, 01:03 PM
Its not even Sabbath, so I could care less. When Bill Ward is on the drums, I will care.

When people first started saying this after Bill pulled out of the reunion, it was dumb.

It's still dumb.

EvilCheeseWedge
04-26-2013, 01:04 PM
I'll be at the DTE. And who goes to a Sabbath show for Ozzy anyways? Tony and Geezer... :rocker:

;)

NickLed19
04-26-2013, 01:20 PM
When people first started saying this after Bill pulled out of the reunion, it was dumb.

It's still dumb.

Not really. Not only is Bill Ward not with them, for no reason at all...but Ozzy sucks now.

anomynous
04-26-2013, 01:24 PM
Bill Ward quit. He wasn't fired, he quit.







People seem to forget that.

Steev
04-26-2013, 01:32 PM
Damn I'm probably gonna be out of town for the Philly show

El Gordo
04-26-2013, 02:50 PM
Bill Ward quit. He wasn't fired, he quit.







People seem to forget that.

Bill Ward quit because he wasn't getting fair treatment. When Ozzy is involved, Black Sabbath becomes the Ozzy Show. The Ozzy Show sucks because Ozzy fucking sucks. Come back with Tony Martin and I'll buy a ticket. And it's not dumb for people to say this isn't Sabbath... It's being billed as a Sabbath reunion but it's missing one integral part: Bill Ward. I saw Sabbath a few times when they had to change their name to Heaven and Hell because it wasn't the Ozzy Show and that was great. Ozzy's a shit singer, and always has been. Now that he's an old man and probably wears diapers he's not worth paying to see, whether he's playing with Tony Iommi or Zakk Wylde or a reanimated Randy Rhoads (actually, I'd see that). Whatever, I'm sure it'll still be an enjoyable show because Tony is still a great guitarist and Geezer is a great bassist and they'll be playing old classics, but I wouldn't pay for it.

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-26-2013, 03:11 PM
Anyone who has followed Black Sabbath knows that Bill Ward has been problematic since the band parted ways with Ozzy in the late 70's. He refused to be apart of the first reunion tour for the 97 Ozzfest due to money. He pulled out of the 99 Ozzfest reunion tour due to money which he had agreed to and he was okay with to the point the band advertised him being on the tour. At the last minute the band followed his demands for more money to salvage the tour and deliver the 'reunion' they had promoted. Same thing in 2011. He was part of the reunion again but opted out for more money. I don't blame the other guys in the band for moving forward. Ward was a legendary drummer and an integral part of the band but in the mid 00's when I saw him on Ozzfest a few times he couldn't play his own songs very well. Every drum had triggers on it. They even had Mike Bordin on stand by incase Ward couldn't play a gig. His wanting more money along with his declining skills and poor health made it an easy choice for Sabbath to move forward without him. He says he quit but the truth appears to be they both parted ways. I have always heard that he received as much money as the other 3. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen but him constantly acting like a money whore, stalling progress and constantly complaining about not 'receiving a fair amount' has been consistent.

ravenheart
04-26-2013, 03:18 PM
And it's not dumb for people to say this isn't Sabbath...

Yes, it is. In fact, it's been dumb to say it every time there's been a line-up that wasn't the original four, which people did every time.

ravenheart
04-26-2013, 03:19 PM
for no reason at all

I don't call constantly demanding more money and quitting over it no reason at all.

Be under no illusion, Bill created the entire mess himself. As WK said, this is the third successive time he's pulled the same shit.

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-26-2013, 04:06 PM
I don't call constantly demanding more money and quitting over it no reason at all.

Be under no illusion, Bill created the entire mess himself. As WK said, this is the third successive time he's pulled the same shit.


And that is the problem. It isn't the first time; in fact, he has a past history of the same type of behavior when it comes to participating in a Sabbath tour then backing out while demanding more money. At this point it would seem foolish to think it is the remaining members of Sabbath or their respective management who are responsible. Ward was a great drummer but his disposition on his perceived lack of monetary fairness is his own fault and is probably unfair in a biased manner which soley benefits him.

Onioner
04-26-2013, 06:25 PM
The riff lord = Black Sabbath. That's honestly as much of an argument anyone should ever need.

WOLVERINEKILLS
04-26-2013, 06:57 PM
The riff lord = METAL. That's honestly as much of an argument anyone should ever need.

Fixed.

Iommi created the genre in my opinion.

AnthG
04-27-2013, 07:22 AM
Bill Ward quit because he wasn't getting fair treatment. When Ozzy is involved, Black Sabbath becomes the Ozzy Show. The Ozzy Show sucks because Ozzy fucking sucks. Come back with Tony Martin and I'll buy a ticket. And it's not dumb for people to say this isn't Sabbath... It's being billed as a Sabbath reunion but it's missing one integral part: Bill Ward. I saw Sabbath a few times when they had to change their name to Heaven and Hell because it wasn't the Ozzy Show and that was great. Ozzy's a shit singer, and always has been. Now that he's an old man and probably wears diapers he's not worth paying to see, whether he's playing with Tony Iommi or Zakk Wylde or a reanimated Randy Rhoads (actually, I'd see that). Whatever, I'm sure it'll still be an enjoyable show because Tony is still a great guitarist and Geezer is a great bassist and they'll be playing old classics, but I wouldn't pay for it.


So, just to be clear, when the drummer is different it isn't Black sabbath and you don't care, but if Ward was in the band and Ozzy wasn't but Tony Martin was then it'd be ok and you'd care and you'd buy a ticket and it's be Black Sabbath. Correct?

ravenheart
04-27-2013, 07:56 AM
So, just to be clear, when the drummer is different it isn't Black sabbath and you don't care, but if Ward was in the band and Ozzy wasn't but Tony Martin was then it'd be ok and you'd care and you'd buy a ticket and it's be Black Sabbath. Correct?

I would love nothing more than to see Sabbath with Tony Martin again... but yeah, that logic is just fucking stupid.

El Gordo
04-27-2013, 06:40 PM
So, just to be clear, when the drummer is different it isn't Black sabbath and you don't care, but if Ward was in the band and Ozzy wasn't but Tony Martin was then it'd be ok and you'd care and you'd buy a ticket and it's be Black Sabbath. Correct?

I'd buy a ticket because it wouldn't be billed as THE BLACK SABBATH REUNION TOUR! I'd buy it because Tony Martin is a great singer and Sabbath released some great albums with him. Whatever, I'm not privy to what goes on behind closed doors so I won't comment further on whether or not Bill Ward is an asshole or a competent drummer anymore, or whether or not Ozzy can sing his own songs anymore. I'll just save the money I'd be paying to see a sub-par Sabbath set to spend it on something worthwhile.

EvilCheeseWedge
04-27-2013, 07:05 PM
Tony Martin has as much trouble staying on pitch as Ozzy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCZEyQxerow) Please don't bring him back...

TonyD
04-29-2013, 05:31 PM
Does anybody have any idea where to get presale codes? I don't have a smartphone anymore so I can't even do the app thing.

Onioner
04-29-2013, 07:23 PM
Does anybody have any idea where to get presale codes? I don't have a smartphone anymore so I can't even do the app thing.

I think the Facebook presale code is just "SABBATH" without the quotes. Give it a shot.

christopher
04-29-2013, 07:55 PM
Yeah, I'm going to pass on this tour. The cheapest tickets at the LA show were over $80 and are sold out. The Irvine show lists all tickets at $150, which I hope is not true.

TonyD
04-29-2013, 09:32 PM
I think the Facebook presale code is just "SABBATH" without the quotes. Give it a shot.

Thanks, if all else fails I'm thinking THIRTEEN is probable too :lol:

ravenheart
05-01-2013, 09:34 AM
So apparently the Best Buy version of '13' is going to have an exclusive bonus track, 'Naivete In Black'.

Great, so people who spend top dollar on the box set version don't even get all of the songs.

Also, South American dates being officially announced tomorrow.

Onioner
05-01-2013, 10:10 AM
So apparently the Best Buy version of '13' is going to have an exclusive bonus track, 'Naivete In Black'.

Great, so people who spend top dollar on the box set version don't even get all of the songs.

Also, South American dates being officially announced tomorrow.

Just wait for the inevitable 'tour edition'. That should have everything on it if Ozzy's solo albums have been a template of sorts.

TonyD
05-01-2013, 10:29 AM
That title :eyes:

marker
05-01-2013, 11:44 AM
Yeah, I'm going to pass on this tour. The cheapest tickets at the LA show were over $80 and are sold out. The Irvine show lists all tickets at $150, which I hope is not true.

That can't be true.

Coma323
05-01-2013, 11:53 AM
My mom won two tickets to the CT show on the radio, score.

TiradesOfTruth
05-01-2013, 07:19 PM
Anyone happen to know what the live nation pre-sale code is?

EvilCheeseWedge
05-02-2013, 04:21 AM
Anyone happen to know what the live nation pre-sale code is?

Pretty sure it's just SABBATH

Wrecking Crew
05-02-2013, 09:54 AM
It was showers for the Gorge show.

Onioner
05-02-2013, 10:09 AM
SABBATH does indeed work. Just picked up two lawn tickets for the Shoreline show for me and papa Onioner. :D

smearCampaign
05-02-2013, 10:13 AM
For those interested....
The presale code for the Houston show is: PAVILION
enter it in the "Venue" Presale Box, according to the email I got.

christopher
05-02-2013, 10:22 AM
That can't be true.

Turns out lawn is $40, I might try to get one of those before they sell out.

marker
05-02-2013, 10:51 AM
Turns out lawn is $40, I might try to get one of those before they sell out.
I knew nobody would charge 150 for lawn, oh wait the stones would though.

TonyD
05-02-2013, 11:08 AM
They're making you watch a fucking advertisement to get the captcha code

slapguitarer
05-02-2013, 11:17 AM
They're making you watch a fucking advertisement to get the captcha code

Yeah that was annoying.

Got my tickets doe! :D

EvilCheeseWedge
05-02-2013, 11:21 AM
VIP tickets for Michigan :rocker:

moobys37
05-02-2013, 11:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkmTaT6hhY&feature=youtu.be

1:39

TonyD
05-02-2013, 12:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkmTaT6hhY&feature=youtu.be

1:39

:eyes:
I just bought tickets...
Oh well, proceeds the weedian

slapguitarer
05-02-2013, 12:50 PM
:eyes:
I just bought tickets...
Oh well, proceeds the weedian

:rocker:

DethMaiden
05-02-2013, 01:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkmTaT6hhY&feature=youtu.be

1:39

lololololololol

ravenheart
05-02-2013, 01:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkmTaT6hhY&feature=youtu.be

1:39

I know it's funny because it's Ozzy, but seriously, I've seen singers forget the words to a song they're playing live for the first time on countless occasions.

EvilCheeseWedge
05-02-2013, 01:25 PM
I wouldn't care if Ozzy wasn't mic'd the whole time I saw Sabbath. Bring on the riffs.

Onioner
05-02-2013, 01:28 PM
I wouldn't care if Ozzy wasn't mic'd the whole time I saw Sabbath. Bring on the riffs.

Yep. As long as the riff filled land is the final destination, I don't care if Ozzy is mumbling and bumbling his way along.

EvilCheeseWedge
05-02-2013, 01:31 PM
Yep. As long as the riff filled land is the final destination, I don't care if Ozzy is mumbling and bumbling his way along.

:shred:

energymetal14
05-02-2013, 02:34 PM
I wouldn't care if Ozzy wasn't mic'd the whole time I saw Sabbath. Bring on the riffs.

Yep. As long as the riff filled land is the final destination, I don't care if Ozzy is mumbling and bumbling his way along.

:horns:

TonyD
05-02-2013, 10:18 PM
I said that implying I'm probably gonna smoke a copious amount of weed.

treghet
05-02-2013, 11:07 PM
Officially going to the Irvine show. :D

anomynous
05-03-2013, 08:54 AM
Ozzy basically saying Bill can't drum anymore (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189497)







No Portnoy = No Sabbath

WOLVERINEKILLS
05-03-2013, 10:22 AM
Probably the truth as to why Ward isn't in the band.

IrritatedTrout
05-03-2013, 10:26 AM
I understand why Bill wouldn't want to do it but it would have been cool to have Wilk alternate playing songs with Ward every night so he could still be a part of it.

Fuck Clufetos. :lol:

Onioner
05-03-2013, 11:18 AM
I understand why Bill wouldn't want to do it but it would have been cool to have Wilk alternate playing songs with Ward every night so he could still be a part of it.

Fuck Clufetos. :lol:

Clufetos is a tool, but he's actually been really nailing Bill's parts this year. Dude did his homework, even though his flying arms make him look like a total jackass.

christopher
05-03-2013, 12:13 PM
Officially going to the Irvine show. :D

me too! I got lawn tickets, what about you?

treghet
05-03-2013, 10:26 PM
me too! I got lawn tickets, what about you?

I got terrace tickets on the side.

Ommie
05-04-2013, 12:39 PM
Got my ticket as well. Now we wait. :hmm:

ravenheart
05-05-2013, 02:56 AM
Clufetos is a tool, but he's actually been really nailing Bill's parts this year. Dude did his homework, even though his flying arms make him look like a total jackass.

Really? When I saw him with Ozzy two years ago and they did Sabbath numbers with more complicated fills, he fucking ruined them.

With Sabbath last year he was at least competent in that I didn't notice him fuck up, but I wasn't really watching him, you know?

Incidentally, what the fuck is Wilk doing that he can't be in Australia?

Onioner
05-05-2013, 12:12 PM
Really? When I saw him with Ozzy two years ago and they did Sabbath numbers with more complicated fills, he fucking ruined them.

With Sabbath last year he was at least competent in that I didn't notice him fuck up, but I wasn't really watching him, you know?

Incidentally, what the fuck is Wilk doing that he can't be in Australia?

Yep, your assessment's pretty dead on, but check out some videos from this year. Tommy's actually taken the time to learn the stuff for this tour. Believe me, I remember watching him ruin Fairies Wear Boots with Ozzy three years ago too.

ravenheart
05-05-2013, 12:28 PM
I remember watching him ruin Fairies Wear Boots with Ozzy three years ago too.

God yes. That was easily the worst one. I think me and the people I was with just started laughing when it got to the first fill.

El Gordo
05-05-2013, 03:55 PM
Ozzy basically saying Bill can't drum anymore (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189497)







No Portnoy = No Sabbath

So... if Ward got the boot because he couldn't remember his drum parts and couldn't perform up to snuff, that's fine. But why the fuck does anyone let Ozzy onstage? Was Ward's drumming honestly worse than Ozzy's vocals? I can't imagine what that would sound like... My son is currently slapping the shit out of my wife's laptop with reckless abandon. Probably something like that?

ravenheart
05-05-2013, 05:28 PM
Was Ward's drumming honestly worse than Ozzy's vocals? I can't imagine what that would sound like...

Honestly, I've heard Ozzy sound bad in terms of hitting notes, but I've never really heard him forget lyrics and fuck up songs, in four shows.

EvilCheeseWedge
05-06-2013, 09:07 AM
A band can play fine through a vocalist that's struggling, not so much a drummer. It's too bad Bill didn't just agree to do an encore or two or something with them... focus on playing those well, and end the shows right. Ah well.

marker
05-06-2013, 12:39 PM
So... if Ward got the boot because he couldn't remember his drum parts and couldn't perform up to snuff, that's fine. But why the fuck does anyone let Ozzy onstage? Was Ward's drumming honestly worse than Ozzy's vocals? I can't imagine what that would sound like... My son is currently slapping the shit out of my wife's laptop with reckless abandon. Probably something like that?

I was thinking the same thing, Bill can't drum and Ozzy can't sing. I agree with Cheese Wedge. The drumming has to be tight, or it will really fuck up the sound with Geezer and Iommi. Ozzy can sing like shit and it's not going to ruin the sound as much. And Ozzy has been using a teleprompter for like ten years now, that's how he never forgets the lyrics.

gilpdawg
05-07-2013, 10:19 AM
I was thinking the same thing, Bill can't drum and Ozzy can't sing. I agree with Cheese Wedge. The drumming has to be tight, or it will really fuck up the sound with Geezer and Iommi. Ozzy can sing like shit and it's not going to ruin the sound as much. And Ozzy has been using a teleprompter for like ten years now, that's how he never forgets the lyrics.
Ten years?? Try probably 20. I know he was using them as early as 1997.

ravenheart
05-24-2013, 05:14 AM
For anyone who cares about/has ordered the deluxe box set, the shitty download card for a track-by-track audio commentary by the band, that probably no one wanted, has been replaced with an exclusive artwork print. Win.

Sanitarium78
05-29-2013, 06:13 PM
Bad news for Iommi. His cancer will more than likely never go away fully and he will have to get regular treatments from now on:(

http://loudwire.com/black-sabbath-tony-iommi-fighting-lymphoma-rest-of-life/

christopher
05-29-2013, 06:23 PM
Bad news for Iommi. His cancer will more than likely never go away fully and he will have to get regular treatments from now on:(

http://loudwire.com/black-sabbath-tony-iommi-fighting-lymphoma-rest-of-life/

That is a bummer :( My dad had the same cancer as Iommi and even though it is gone, the effects have damaged him tremendously. I hope the best for Iommi. I completely understand if he has to cancel any upcoming shows for his treatment. I would love nothing more than to see him perform live again, but I just want the best for him.

Dextrimental
05-29-2013, 06:36 PM
That is a bummer :( My dad had the same cancer as Iommi and even though it is gone, the effects have damaged him tremendously. I hope the best for Iommi. I completely understand if he has to cancel any upcoming shows for his treatment. I would love nothing more than to see him perform live again, but I just want the best for him.

This.

It will be July before I have the money to sort out a trip to Belfast for the show here, but honestly if Tony decides to cancel this tour and Sabbath decide to become a festival band I would understand completely. Lord knows Ozzy's close enough to the brink, two members in bad nick is asking for a catastrophe on the road.

Travis The Dragon
05-29-2013, 07:08 PM
That's really too bad about Iommi. I wish him the best and just want him to do whatever it takes to get better.

Travis The Dragon
05-30-2013, 04:40 PM
With the release date being less than 2 weeks away, I'm surprised audio samples for the full album haven't shown up yet.

El Gordo
05-30-2013, 07:05 PM
I was thinking the same thing, Bill can't drum and Ozzy can't sing. I agree with Cheese Wedge. The drumming has to be tight, or it will really fuck up the sound with Geezer and Iommi. Ozzy can sing like shit and it's not going to ruin the sound as much. And Ozzy has been using a teleprompter for like ten years now, that's how he never forgets the lyrics.

I know you posted this about a month ago but that's crap. So the drummer has to be fucking perfect and the vocalist can suck shit? That's a double standard if I ever heard one. If Ward's awful and gets kicked out, then the same should go for Ozzy. He's shit, and has been for a long time. It's supposed to be a band. All parts are equal.

daimonos
05-30-2013, 07:08 PM
I know you posted this about a month ago but that's crap. So the drummer has to be fucking perfect and the vocalist can suck shit? That's a double standard if I ever heard one. If Ward's awful and gets kicked out, then the same should go for Ozzy. He's shit, and has been for a long time. It's supposed to be a band. All parts are equal.

As a drummer, I can attest to the fact that it's a little bit more important to have the drummer on point, since they have to hold everything together in a way. It's not a double standard, it's just common sense. There's nothing worse than a shitty drummer that ruins the whole band.

marker
05-30-2013, 08:15 PM
As a drummer, I can attest to the fact that it's a little bit more important to have the drummer on point, since they have to hold everything together in a way. It's not a double standard, it's just common sense. There's nothing worse than a shitty drummer that ruins the whole band.

Plus they don't need Ward to sell tickets. Ozzy is the only one who can front this band now and have anything close to a successful tour.

EvilCheeseWedge
05-30-2013, 09:25 PM
I know you posted this about a month ago but that's crap. So the drummer has to be fucking perfect and the vocalist can suck shit? That's a double standard if I ever heard one. If Ward's awful and gets kicked out, then the same should go for Ozzy. He's shit, and has been for a long time. It's supposed to be a band. All parts are equal.

I'm sorry, but this is kind of stupid. If you can't tell the difference between a drummer and a vocalist then you aren't a musician and there's probably no reasoning with you. People can play through shitty vocals - big deal. Good luck trying to play with a guy who can't keep a steady beat on the drums though. Or doesn't know where he is in a song. Or who can't reliably perform the set due to health or whatever else.

Plus, from the practical business side, yeah, sure, fire Ozzy. And let's bring back Sabbath's second most successful vocalist?

Oh right. :tp:

Onioner
05-30-2013, 09:43 PM
I'm sorry, but this is kind of stupid. If you can't tell the difference between a drummer and a vocalist then you aren't a musician and there's probably no reasoning with you. People can play through shitty vocals - big deal. Good luck trying to play with a guy who can't keep a steady beat on the drums though. Or doesn't know where he is in a song. Or who can't reliably perform the set due to health or whatever else.

Plus, from the practical business side, yeah, sure, fire Ozzy. And let's bring back Sabbath's second most successful vocalist?

Oh right. :tp:

Bingo. Ozzy's inconsistent sure, but I'll take a patchy Ozzy over a derping drummer any day. A bad drummer can ruin any band, even one with the riff lord on guitar. Bill's parts are forceful yet intricate, it's easy to make small mistakes and fuck it all up, just ask anyone who's ever learned to play War Pigs or Supernaut. That's why Bill had to really simplify his parts on the last few tours, and even then he was barely keeping up. Tommy Clufetos looks like a buffoon (seriously, what the hell is up with his arms?!) but he is doing more justice to Bill's parts than Bill himself could muster right now.

And yeah, without Ozzy and Dio, Iommi and Geezer basically have no career. And even then, Heaven & Hell wouldn't have been nearly as successful without the initial Ozzy reunion bringing the Black Sabbath name back into the public eye. Honestly, I'm fairly sure Ozzy, Iommi and Geezer are just doing this for fun now. They could probably retire now and live comfortably for the rest of their lives, at least Ozzy could for sure. It's also easy to see how they want to end Black Sabbath on a positive note, with one last really great album and a tour wherever they can hit. I don't think any of them want to die knowing that Black Sabbath was unfinished.

Travis The Dragon
05-31-2013, 04:23 PM
Studio version of End Of The Beginning can be found here (http://www.futuro.cl/destacados/black-sabbath-presenta-end-of-the-beginning-nuevo-destacado-de-13/).

El Gordo
05-31-2013, 05:01 PM
I'm sorry, but this is kind of stupid. If you can't tell the difference between a drummer and a vocalist then you aren't a musician and there's probably no reasoning with you. People can play through shitty vocals - big deal. Good luck trying to play with a guy who can't keep a steady beat on the drums though. Or doesn't know where he is in a song. Or who can't reliably perform the set due to health or whatever else.

Plus, from the practical business side, yeah, sure, fire Ozzy. And let's bring back Sabbath's second most successful vocalist?

Oh right. :tp:

The drummer is the guy at the back hitting stuff with sticks, right?

Dude, I've been playing guitar for 19 years (admittedly not much at all lately, but having a kid tends to fuck with your free time) so I understand that having a solid drummer is more important than having a strong vocalist. Ozzy's awful though. He's shit. Aren't they playing Symptom of the Universe as an instrumental? Fuck that. His vocals on God is Dead? make me cringe. I'm sure Iommi and Geezer could find many better projects to lend their talents to, albeit with a (much) smaller paycheck. Then again, I guess that's the answer right there, isn't it?

daimonos
05-31-2013, 05:24 PM
Man, there's mad all over this shit.

daimonos
05-31-2013, 05:34 PM
Everyone seems to forget the fact that Bill was originally involved in the Heaven and Hell reunion as well.

anomynous
05-31-2013, 05:39 PM
No Bill = No mediocre drumming in it for the sake of money

300%_Density
05-31-2013, 06:02 PM
Quality > Sentiment

PVH5150
05-31-2013, 06:06 PM
Plus, from the practical business side, yeah, sure, fire Ozzy. And let's bring back Sabbath's second most successful vocalist?

Oh right. :tp:

Yes, let's let Ian Gillan be in both Deep Purple & Black Sabbath simultaneously.

WOLVERINEKILLS
06-03-2013, 02:12 PM
Probably the best post of your day - Black Sabbath's 13 is streaming in it's entirety on itunes. Check it out!!!

Jochen
06-03-2013, 02:42 PM
1:35 into the album and so far, so good!

daimonos
06-03-2013, 03:28 PM
Album is great. Fuck off, hipsters.

EvilCheeseWedge
06-03-2013, 03:55 PM
Fuck, I don't want to break down and listen to it yet. Glad to hear good things so far.

hot_turkey_ed
06-03-2013, 04:19 PM
Album is great. Fuck off, hipsters.

:allan:

Fuck, I don't want to break down and listen to it yet. Glad to hear good things so far.

I didn't wait and finished the stream a few minutes ago.

I consider the new album to Ozzy Sabbath the way I considered The Devil You Know to Dio Sabbath.... and I still listen to that album frequently... good addition to the collection. Have no worries about 13.

daimonos
06-03-2013, 04:24 PM
:allan:



I didn't wait and finished the stream a few minutes ago.

I consider the new album to Ozzy Sabbath the way I considered The Devil You Know to Dio Sabbath.... and I still listen to that album frequently... good addition to the collection. Have no worries about 13.

:fist:

EvilCheeseWedge
06-03-2013, 04:32 PM
I didn't wait and finished the stream a few minutes ago.

I consider the new album to Ozzy Sabbath the way I considered The Devil You Know to Dio Sabbath.... and I still listen to that album frequently... good addition to the collection. Have no worries about 13.

:party:

This pleases me. :ecw:

WOLVERINEKILLS
06-03-2013, 05:18 PM
Its not my favorite Ozzy era album but its good. Easily better than Technical Ecstacy, Never Say Die & Vol. 4 imo.

BloodoftheKings
06-03-2013, 05:33 PM
Easily better than Vol. 4 imo.

Are you serious?

WOLVERINEKILLS
06-03-2013, 06:01 PM
Yes I am because I think that is one of the weaker Ozzy era albums and nowhere near as great as Master Of Reality, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Paranoid, Sabotage & Self Titled.

sfhui
06-03-2013, 06:09 PM
need to figure out how to stream it...

Onioner
06-03-2013, 06:11 PM
Easily better than Vol. 4 imo.

BURN THE WITCH

Nah I totally get that people don't like Vol. 4, it was my first post-Paranoid Black Sabbath album so I guess I have a special connection with it. I will never ever forget spinning the record on my dad's hi-fi system and my shitty el-cheapo turntable and the last half of Wheels of Confusion being the heaviest fucking thing I had ever heard at the time. But yeah, I'm really happy that people are liking 13, I can't wait to give it a listen.

christopher
06-03-2013, 06:35 PM
That outro at the end of the album sent chills down my spine.

WOLVERINEKILLS
06-03-2013, 06:51 PM
BURN THE WOLVERINE

Nah I totally get that people don't like Vol. 4, it was my first post-Paranoid Black Sabbath album so I guess I have a special connection with it. I will never ever forget spinning the record on my dad's hi-fi system and my shitty el-cheapo turntable and the last half of Wheels of Confusion being the heaviest fucking thing I had ever heard at the time. But yeah, I'm really happy that people are liking 13, I can't wait to give it a listen.

Vol. 4 is a good album in the grand scheme of all things metal but I just don't think it compares well with the best of the Ozzy era albums.

Onioner
06-03-2013, 07:03 PM
Vol. 4 is a good album in the grand scheme of all things metal but I just don't think it compares well with the best of the Ozzy era albums.

Fair enough, and I was just messing with you haha. Master of Reality is basically heavier than time itself, so stacking Vol. 4 against it is a rather unfair battle.

EvilCheeseWedge
06-03-2013, 07:17 PM
I love Volume 4. It's got the heaviness of Master of Reality in some areas, but it gets more progressive. It's the perfect link between Master of Reality and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. In Tony's book he called SBS something like the "pinnacle" of Black Sabbath. And I completely agree. It's heavy, sorta progressive, but you can still smell the bluesy jam influence. It also sounds huge, even all this time later.

The only reason I don't think 13 will be able to compete with Volume 4 for me is variety. My impression of 13 from "God is Dead," the bit of "End of the Beginning" on CSI, and from band interviews is that they're really channeling the Black Sabbath-Paranoid-Master of Reality vibe. Which is fine. Those albums are tremendous, and I mean, eventually the variety and progressive elements sort of overwhelmed things on Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die.

Anyways, I never expected 13 to beat the first six Sabbath albums. But if it can sit along side of them then it will be a win, and if it can easily sit next to them... then it's a big win.

Honestly, it's just kind of awesome that in 2013 there's a bona fide Black Sabbath album being released. (At least Forbidden won't go down as the last "official" Black Sabbath album...)

daimonos
06-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Volume 4 is probably the best thing Sabbath ever did. Just sayin'.

hb420
06-03-2013, 09:56 PM
End of the Beginning, Age of Reason, and Damaged Soul are instant classics. :rocker:

anomynous
06-03-2013, 10:03 PM
Waiting for the deluxe version to give it a listen through, since that's an extra 3 tracks.

WOLVERINEKILLS
06-03-2013, 11:41 PM
Volume 4 is probably the best thing Sabbath ever did. Just sayin'.

In your opinion. In my opinion its a toss up between Master Of Reality, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.

MPF
06-03-2013, 11:43 PM
Volume 4 has Supernaut. So that statement is indeed true.

300%_Density
06-04-2013, 08:38 AM
Wow. So beyond surprised at how good this is. I was hoping it would be good and my expectations are succeeded.

Christopher hit the nail on the head. I absolutely love the outro as well. They brought back the rain and bells from the song Black Sabbath. Now it kind of feels like everything has come full circle 43 years after the S/T album came out. This will be an easy lock for the end of 2013 list on here.

Also this talk of Volume 4 has me wanting to revisit the album again, I don't care for the album a lot but I feel like I need to try it again.