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IrritatedTrout
10-03-2011, 09:53 AM
I recently got my first rap album, Public Enemy's It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back. I'm really enjoying it so far and I wanted to see what you guys would recommend as far as the rest of the genre goes. I've heard parts of PE's Apocalypse '91 and Fear of A Black Planet and both of those sound good. I also wanna get the Marshall Mathers LP and the Eminem Show. I know 36 Chambers by Wu-Tang Clan is considered essential and so is Liquid Swords by GZA. I plan to get all those eventually as the bits and pieces I've heard from them sound pretty sweet.

What other records or artists would you consider essential? Bear in mind I don't want any bullshit modern rap that only talks about drugs, women, and about how their place of residence is more underprivileged than your place of residence. That shit can fuck right off.

mankvill
10-03-2011, 10:03 AM
36 Chambers is far and away my favorite hip-hop album.

I guess another obvious choice would be Illmatic by Nas.

brutal_descent
10-03-2011, 10:09 AM
^ What he said.

Also check out some Beastie Boys (Licenced to Ill), NWA (Straight Outta Compton), The Roots (How I Got Over), and Atmosphere (God Loves Ugly).

ChildrenofSodom
10-03-2011, 10:12 AM
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Volume 2.

Epidemic Reign
10-03-2011, 11:02 AM
Tech N9NE!

DementedX14
10-03-2011, 11:16 AM
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Volume 2.

:bowdown:

llama lom
10-03-2011, 11:33 AM
I don't enjoy most rap for the reasons you listed (same ol' shit all the time), but OFWGKTA is the exception I think. There is some of it in there, but a lot of it is unique and completely different from stuff on the radio. There are many different styles within the collective so there's probably something you will enjoy.

mastodon421
10-03-2011, 11:43 AM
I would suggest checking out:
Nas-Illmatic (my all time favorite rap record)
Wu-Tang Clan-36 Chambers
Atmosphere-GodLovesUgly
A Tribe Called Quest-The Low End Theory
Grieves-Irreversible
Jedi Mind Tricks-Servants In Heaven, Kings In Hell
NWA-Straight Outta Compton
2pac-All Eyez On Me
2pac-Me Against The World
Beastie Boys-Licensed To Ill
Dr.Dre-The Chronic
GZA-Liquid Swords
MF Doom-MM.Food
Madvillain-Madvilliainy

JRA
10-03-2011, 11:49 AM
36 Chambers is tied with Tribe Called Quest's Low End Theory for my favorite hip hop album ever.

Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle and Run DMC's Raising Hell are great party records. Don't expect great lyricism from them though. Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique could also fall under this category. It's like Licensed To Ill, but without the fail.

Anything with the name Eric B. & Rakim on it is quintessential.

In regards to Wu-Tang, Raekwon's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Niggaz! is also a great record, but don't expect to understand a single word from it.

I will also add Nas Illmatic to the pile.

ShatteredFlame
10-03-2011, 11:55 AM
P.O.S - Never Better

My favorite rap album. Out for only 2 years and puts me in a good mood every time I listen to it. His lyrics and delivery are both top notch. The beats feel more punk rock than rap for the most part and I love it.

GZA/Genius - Liquid Swords
Genelec & Memphis Reigns - Scorpion Circles
A Tribe Called Quest - A Low End Theory
CunninLynguists - Oneirology

ChildrenofSodom
10-03-2011, 12:01 PM
My faves, in addition to Revolutionary Vol. 2:

Tupac - Loyal to the Game
Ill Bill - Hour of Reprisal
Nas - Untitled
The Game - L.AX. Files
Immortal Technique - The 3rd World

IrritatedTrout
10-03-2011, 12:03 PM
Immortal Technique sounds cool so far, I've listened to Nas before and didn't like him. Listening to Atmosphere now and it isn't doing anything for me. Jedi Mind Tricks is next.

christopher
10-03-2011, 12:19 PM
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
Dead Prez - Let's Get Free
Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP
Ol' Dirty Bastard - Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version
Sage Francis - Personal Journals
B. Dolan - The Failure
Bone Thugs n Harmony - E. 1999 Eternal/The Art of War

christopher
10-03-2011, 12:23 PM
Listen to all of these songs.

Sage Francis - Escape Artist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7w-z4BvMo)

Gravediggaz - Diary of a Madman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE-5Q_xyiwo)

Dead Prez - Hell Yeah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjSq4HqP9Y)

Bone Thugs n Harmony - Flow Motion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7SoCQYnvNQ)

B Dolan - Joan of Arcadia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7RR86g_uCM)

JRA
10-03-2011, 12:24 PM
Immortal Technique sounds cool so far, I've listened to Nas before and didn't like him.

Because of the gangsterisms right? Dude I had the exact same reaction with Illmatic and I can say it was one of the grossest miscalculations I've ever made. Part of it is the fact that most real rappers live in terrible conditions and are just talking about surviving the only way they know how to do.

But the biggest thing about Illmatic is it has MAGNIFICIENT with rhyme scheme and word structure.

Here's an example:

It's like that, you know it's like that
I got it hemmed, now you never get the mic back
When I attack, there ain't an army that could strike back
So I react never calmly on a hype track
I set it off with my own rhyme
Cause I'm as ill as a convict who kills for phone time
I'm max like cassettes, I flex like sex
In ya, stereo sets, Nas'll catch wreck
I used to hustle - now all I do is relax and strive
When I was young I was a fan of the Jackson 5
I drop jewels, wear jewels, hope to never run it
With more kicks than a baby in a mother's stomach
Nasty Nas has to rise cause I'm wise
This is exercise 'til the microphone dies
Back in eighty-three I was an MC sparkin
But I was too scared to grab the mics in the parks and
kick my little raps cause I thought niggaz wouldn't understand
And now in every jam I'm the fuckin man
I rap in front of more niggaz than in the slave ships
I used to watch "C.H.I.P.S." now I load glock clips
I got to have it, I miss Mr. Magic
Versatile, my style switches like a faggot
But not bisexual, I'm an intellectual
Of rap, I'm a professional and that's no question, yo
These are the lyrics of the man, you can't near it, understand
Cause in the streets, I'm well known like the number man
Am I in place wit the bass and format
Explore rap, and tell me Nas ain't all that
And next time I rhyme, I be foul
Whenever I freestyle I see trial niggaz say I'm wild
I hate a rhymebiter's rhyme
Stay tuned, Nas, soon the real rap comes at halftime

Most rappers nowadays are struggling to rhyme the last sound of each stanza right, here Nas does practically the last 4 syllables multiple times.

Rakim was also a master at this.

BloodoftheKings
10-03-2011, 01:18 PM
Also check out some Beastie Boys (Paul's Boutique)

Fixed. Licensed is good but Paul's Boutique is far superior.

Tech N9NE!

No. He already said he doesn't want shitty gangster rap.

I would suggest checking out:
A Tribe Called Quest-The Low End Theory
Jedi Mind Tricks-Servants In Heaven, Kings In Hell
MF Doom-MM.Food
Madvillain-Madvilliainy

These plus MF Doom's Operation Doomsday.

Epidemic Reign
10-03-2011, 01:28 PM
No. He already said he doesn't want shitty gangster rap.

How do you figure Tech N9ne is gangster rap? It's not, at all.

IrritatedTrout
10-03-2011, 01:40 PM
Because of the gangsterisms right? Dude I had the exact same reaction with Illmatic and I can say it was one of the grossest miscalculations I've ever made. Part of it is the fact that most real rappers live in terrible conditions and are just talking about surviving the only way they know how to do.

But the biggest thing about Illmatic is it has MAGNIFICIENT with rhyme scheme and word structure.

Eh, I think that might be part of it. I don't know what it is exactly but nothing's really making me want to listen to the tracks I've heard again. What you pointed about the rhyming is pretty good though.

Jedi Mind Tricks was pretty cool, I liked the lyrics to the few songs I listened to a lot. Especially the one about Vietnam.

Doggystyle didn't do anything for me. Probably due to the lyrics.

I hated NWA. Probably for pretty much the same reason I don't listen to brutal death metal and the like, lyrics that are nothing but gore and extreme profanity are a huge musical turnoff. There needs to be more substance than that.

ChildrenofSodom
10-03-2011, 02:57 PM
Second Jedi Mind Tricks. And Dead Prez.

JRA
10-03-2011, 03:05 PM
I actually don't care for NWA either. They have 3 listenable songs, Eazy E was one of the worst and most overrated MC's ever, and Dr. Dre and Ice Cube were infinitely more interesting on their solo albums.

christopher
10-03-2011, 03:08 PM
one of my favorite songs

Sage Francis - Crack Pipes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4vVH3hBfs4)

mankvill
10-03-2011, 03:55 PM
No. He already said he doesn't want shitty gangster rap.

There's a reason he's the best-selling independent rapper of all time, and it ain't because he's shitty gangster rap. :hmm:

larvtard
10-03-2011, 04:01 PM
I'm gonna try to use this thread as well! My friend was playing Jurassic 5 and A Tribe Called Quest and that stuff was cool. However, I've already gots so much stuff to listen to!!!! :mad:

smearCampaign
10-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Besides the usual Wu-Tang, Beasties, Nas, Mobb Deep, etc. I also like hip-hop like this:

Aesop Rock - Commencement at the Obedience (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7snfXC4mJ0)
Deltron 3030 - Virus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6j_3KetcQs)
El-P - Tasmanian Pain Coster feat. Omar and Cedric of The Mars Volta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld28kr20nxE)

ShatteredFlame
10-03-2011, 04:48 PM
Besides the usual Wu-Tang, Beasties, Nas, Mobb Deep, etc. I also like hip-hop like this:

Aesop Rock - Commencement at the Obedience (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7snfXC4mJ0)
Deltron 3030 - Virus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6j_3KetcQs)
El-P - Tasmanian Pain Coster feat. Omar and Cedric of The Mars Volta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld28kr20nxE)

:hug:

ChildrenofSodom
10-04-2011, 04:48 AM
Not rap, but Def Poetry is pretty sick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kVT89O6cLo

adamclark52
10-04-2011, 10:55 AM
It's a toss up between Wu-Tang's 36 Chambers and their follow-up Forever. Both are awesome and you should check them out. The three later Wu-Tang albums are okay, about 30-50% really good and the rest is boring.

Also check out Cannibal Ox's 'the Cold Vein', if you can even find it these days.

smearCampaign
10-04-2011, 11:05 AM
Also check out Cannibal Ox's 'the Cold Vein', if you can even find it these days.

Yes. That's a great album.