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mankvill
08-21-2011, 02:25 PM
http://www.facebook.com/LouReedMetallica?sk=info

November 1st (North America), October 31st (Rest of the World)

The musical collaboration between Lou Reed and Metallica, "Lulu," is coming your way this Fall.

"Lulu" was inspired by German expressionist writer Frank Wededkind's plays "Earth Spirit" and "Pandora's Box," which tell a story of a young abused dancer's life and relationships and are now collectively known as the "Lulu Plays." Since their publication in the early 1900's, the plays have been the inspiration for a silent film ("Pandora's Box," 1929), an opera, and countless other creative endeavors. Originally the lyrics and musical landscape were sketched out by Lou for a theatrical production, but after coming together with the 'Tallica boys for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concerts in New York in 2009 all guilty parties knew they wanted to make more music together. Lou was inspired enough by that performance to recently ask the band to join him in taking his theatrical "Lulu" piece to the next level and so starting in early May of this year we were all camped out recording at HQ studios in Northern California, bringing us to today and ten complete songs.

We can't wait to share this music and the whole experience with you.

http://www.loureedmetallica.com

MPF
08-21-2011, 02:27 PM
I'm looking forward to it. IT will get bashed beyond belief by anyone under 35. But I'll probably dig it.

SomewhereInTime72
08-21-2011, 02:58 PM
I am not sure what to think about this, so I just won't until the time comes that I have to. :eyes:

christopher
08-21-2011, 03:54 PM
I'm looking forward to it. IT will get bashed beyond belief by anyone under 35. But I'll probably dig it.

I think people of all ages will bash it. Metallica fans over 35 will probably bash it the most since they were around when Metallica first went to shit in the late 80s.

IrritatedTrout
08-21-2011, 03:58 PM
This may turn out to be really stupid but I'll give it a chance.

Maidenmagic
08-21-2011, 04:05 PM
I think there's a possibility that they will do a small one-off show for this album.

El Gordo
08-21-2011, 05:17 PM
I'm looking forward to it. IT will get bashed beyond belief by anyone under 35. But I'll probably dig it.

Why would people under 35 be more likely to bash it? It's more logical to assume that the older Metallica fans would bash it more, considering they were around when Metallica weren't fucking horrible. Anyway, I'm not sure what to expect from this, it could really go either way.

JRA
08-21-2011, 05:21 PM
If this gets all their stupid Deep Purple wannabe tendencies out of the way so the next album can be pure unadulterated speed metal, that's fine be me.

Lulu is an odd title though.

makethemsuffer12
08-21-2011, 05:29 PM
Ehh, I don't know what to think of this. I just want Metallica to make another album already.

MPF
08-21-2011, 06:20 PM
The reason I said what I said is because anyone that I've talked about about this project with that was the cutoff line

Under 35- Fucking hate it, they are working with an old guy who's not metal, and theyw ill make shitty music.

Over 35- Yeah I'll check it out, I might dig it.

Indestructible
08-21-2011, 06:23 PM
Ill probably like,but this albums will be the first time I will hear Lou Reed

MPF
08-21-2011, 07:37 PM
Ill probably like,but this albums will be the first time I will hear Lou Reed

VELVET UNDERTGROUND!

NAO!!!

Dissimulate
08-22-2011, 01:05 AM
It's not going to suck because of Lou Reed, it's going to suck because Metallica haven't written anything good in about 20 years and show no sign of reversing the trend.

ravenheart
08-22-2011, 02:06 AM
Under 35- Fucking hate it, they are working with an old guy who's not metal, and theyw ill make shitty music.

Over 35- Yeah I'll check it out, I might dig it.

What?

mankvill
08-22-2011, 04:05 AM
It's not going to suck because of Lou Reed, it's going to suck because Metallica haven't written anything good in about 20 years and show no sign of reversing the trend.

Except Death Magnetic has one of their best songs

MetalIsArt
08-22-2011, 04:42 AM
Hm, not too sure about the name... BUT... the description is "a combination between Lou's Berlin & Metallica's Master Of Puppets"...

I like.

MetalIsArt
08-22-2011, 04:43 AM
VELVET UNDERTGROUND!

NAO!!!

This.

makethemsuffer12
08-22-2011, 06:05 AM
Except Death Magnetic has one of their best songs

:fist:

There are a few great ones on there.

Sanitarium78
08-22-2011, 07:19 AM
Over 35- Yeah I'll check it out, I might dig it.

I think the only reason anyone over 35 would check this out is because they might know who Lou Reed is. Since I don't know anything from Lou Reed except "Walk On The Wild Side" and I would prefer if Metallica came out with a new album instead, I find it hard to care about this project at all.

MetalIsArt
08-23-2011, 05:56 AM
I think the only reason anyone over 35 would check this out is because they might know who Lou Reed is. Since I don't know anything from Lou Reed except "Walk On The Wild Side" and I would prefer if Metallica came out with a new album instead, I find it hard to care about this project at all.

Check out "vicious" and "walk on the wild side."

And after this Metallica will be making a new album. It's cool to be fan of a band that does almost nothing "fanz" want for the past 15 years or so :D ;)

ravenheart
08-23-2011, 06:12 AM
Some song titles revealed:

Junior Dad
Mistress Dread
Pumping Blood

HackedUpForBBQ
08-23-2011, 07:53 AM
Definitely interested in hearing this

DisposableJustice
08-23-2011, 08:22 AM
Definitely interested in hearing this

This.....Metallica hasn't been afraid of pushing the boundries and while sometimes it hasn't worked *coughstangercough* I respect them for trying....can't wait for a preview track to pop up

BloodoftheKings
09-01-2011, 02:08 PM
http://www.loureedmetallica.com/images/lulu_cover.jpg

Strange cover

ravenheart
09-01-2011, 02:58 PM
Yeah, that album cover sucks.

Couple more song titles:

Frustration
Little Dog

TonyD
09-01-2011, 03:06 PM
As one of my friend's dad would say, "what the fuck is this supposed to be, art rock?"

Onioner
09-01-2011, 03:12 PM
Hey guys, at least this couldn't possibly be worse than St. Anger, right?

right...?

Maidenmagic
09-01-2011, 03:20 PM
As one of my friend's dad would say, "what the fuck is this supposed to be, art rock?"

I like art rock so if it is I'll be happy.

ravenheart
09-01-2011, 03:23 PM
Hey guys, at least this couldn't possibly be worse than St. Anger, right?

right...?

#104 most recycled cliche rock music comment

christopher
09-01-2011, 03:39 PM
Hmm James is just listed as rhythm guitar only. It'll be weird not having him do vocals on this..

JRA
09-01-2011, 03:45 PM
This.....Metallica hasn't been afraid of pushing the boundries and while sometimes it hasn't worked *coughstangercough* I respect them for trying....can't wait for a preview track to pop up

The thing is this isn't really pushing the boundaries though. The average idiot only thinks that because "Oh Metallica and Lou Reed, that's different!" It's probably just gonna sound like Load with Lou Reed's crooning.

This has corporate rockstar bullshit written all over it. I mean for God's sake, they got the idea for doing this at a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame performance ceremony!

Shadowswillfall414
09-01-2011, 03:46 PM
I dont know, Not a big velvet underground or lou reed fan and this seems a little too much in the experimental spectrum but I will say, its different and for that I give metallica credit for that.

ravenheart
09-01-2011, 04:12 PM
The thing is this isn't really pushing the boundaries though. The average idiot only thinks that because "Oh Metallica and Lou Reed, that's different!" It's probably just gonna sound like Load with Lou Reed's crooning.

Maybe. But since no one's heard anything, that's not a call it's possible to make.

This has corporate rockstar bullshit written all over it. I mean for God's sake, they got the idea for doing this at a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame performance ceremony!

Well, kind of. They got the idea of re-recording a load of "lost" Lou Reed songs together at the R&R HOF gig.

This idea came about later on.

El Gordo
09-01-2011, 06:48 PM
Hmm James is just listed as rhythm guitar only. It'll be weird not having him do vocals on this..

James hasn't laid down a truly good vocal track since the early 90's. Well, maybe the mid-90's -- Bleeding Me.

TonyD
09-02-2011, 12:32 AM
James hasn't laid down a truly good vocal track since the early 90's. Well, maybe the mid-90's -- Bleeding Me.

:rocker:

hellawaits77ny
09-02-2011, 12:58 AM
Bleeding Me.

Amazing tune

IrritatedTrout
09-02-2011, 02:06 PM
I really hope this doesn't suck. It seems very possible though.:lol:

MPF
09-06-2011, 12:52 PM
"Lulu" final track listing and track Lengths:

01. Brandenburg Gate (4:19)
02. The View (5:17)
03. Pumping Blood (7:24)
04. Mistress Dread (6:52)
05. Iced Honey (4:36)
06. Cheat On Me (11:26)
07. Frustration (8:33)
08. Little Dog (8:01)
09. Dragon (11:08)
10. Junior Dad (19:28)

ravenheart
09-06-2011, 12:53 PM
I wish they'd hurry the fuck up and put some samples online already.

christopher
09-06-2011, 01:08 PM
A 19 minute Metallica song sounds...:zzz:

Maidenmagic
09-06-2011, 04:06 PM
I added the song lengths up and if I remember correctly the total length was a little less than 86 minutes. So it must be a double album.

mankvill
09-06-2011, 04:20 PM
06. Cheat On Me (11:26)
09. Dragon (11:08)
10. Junior Dad (19:28)

Very interesting.

mastodon421
09-06-2011, 04:22 PM
This album has disaster written all over it.

TonyD
09-06-2011, 06:22 PM
I wish they'd hurry the fuck up and put some samples online already.

For real

From a quote I read, Lou Reed was making it sound like he was making an album and wanted Metallica on it. I'm sure if it's a flop Metallica will agree, otherwise they'll try to take more credit than they deserve.

Maidenmagic
09-07-2011, 12:41 PM
Full running time is 87:04.

DisposableJustice
09-18-2011, 11:24 AM
a 30 second sample has been posted on youtube; song unknown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhnTY_tdeU


hmmmm

:eyes:


I don't know I don't want to judge just on a 30 second clip

jd091
09-18-2011, 11:28 AM
a 30 second sample has been posted on youtube; song unknown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhnTY_tdeU


hmmmm

:eyes:


I don't know I don't want to judge just on a 30 second clip

The fuck did I just listen to?

masterguy49
09-18-2011, 11:41 AM
The fuck did I just listen to?

THIS :lol: :lol: :lol:

ravenheart
09-18-2011, 11:51 AM
The song is 'The View'.

The simple finished just when the song it about to get going. The vocals don't sound like they match the music.

DethMaiden
09-18-2011, 11:53 AM
I loved that.

ravenheart
09-18-2011, 11:56 AM
I loved that.

You know what, I kind of like it too. At least, it sounds like it's about to kick into something I'm going to like :lol: The bits that sound disjointed I'm expecting to sound right in the context of the full song.

Anyone else notice someone called HarryPotterLover2011 has posted silent tracks on Youtube for every song on the album, all the correct length to the second, and called them leaks?

mankvill
09-18-2011, 01:17 PM
I loved that.

Samesies

IrritatedTrout
09-18-2011, 01:27 PM
Awful.

MPF
09-18-2011, 01:40 PM
*Reserving all comments for when I hear the whole album*

BloodoftheKings
09-18-2011, 01:50 PM
Can't make anything of such a short clip but it's good to know James is doing some vocals, I thought it was gonna be all Lou.

ravenheart
09-18-2011, 01:51 PM
Can't make anything of such a short clip but it's good to know James is doing some vocals, I thought it was gonna be all Lou.

He is?

BloodoftheKings
09-18-2011, 01:54 PM
He is?

At the very end of the clip you hear James.

mastodon421
09-18-2011, 02:03 PM
I'll reserve judgement untill the album comes out, but that clip was fucking awful.

jd091
09-18-2011, 02:05 PM
I'll reserve judgement untill the album comes out, but that clip was fucking awful.

Pretty much my position.

Maidenmagic
09-18-2011, 03:55 PM
I don't think it sounds that bad. I'm intrigued.

Butcher of Birth
09-18-2011, 04:29 PM
I didn't expect much so in 30 seconds I wasn't disappointed. The full album better be more fluid ;) :lol:

eyekantspele
09-18-2011, 04:45 PM
This album has bad news all over it. I'm a huge tallies fan but when i saw them do that performance with Lou at the R&R HOF thing i thought it was awful. Then when they announced a whole album with Lou I knew nothing good would come out of it. If it actually turns out good I will eat my words but if the rest of the album is like that it will be worse than St Anger. They should have done just a good ol straight up thrash album, without Lou Reed.

BloodoftheKings
09-18-2011, 04:46 PM
I'm sick of everyone being a negative nancy towards this album. Just shut your whore mouths until we hear the single next week.

MPF
09-18-2011, 04:47 PM
This album has bad news all over it. I'm a huge tallies fan but when i saw them do that performance with Lou at the R&R HOF thing i thought it was awful. Then when they announced a whole album with Lou I knew nothing good would come out of it. If it actually turns out good I will eat my words but if the rest of the album is like that it will be worse than St Anger. They should have done just a good ol straight up thrash album, without Lou Reed.

How is that even possible? :eek::eek::eek:

Blackened12
09-18-2011, 04:51 PM
Really interested to see what this sounds like a a whole. Based on that clip I'm assuming it will flow better with the whole song as opposed to a dinky little 30 sec clip. But furreal people, if you go in expecting a thrash album you're going to be disappointed. Don't compare it to friggin' AJFA..... it's an experimental side project..... and that's it lol.:cool:

El Gordo
09-18-2011, 05:12 PM
Being that it's only a 30 second clip, it doesn't sound too bad... I don't like the Lou Reed spoken word stuff, but when Hetfield starts singing "I am the root" or whatever towards the end, it actually starts to pick up a little. Whatever, I'm sure this album will be hit and miss the whole way through.

mankvill
09-18-2011, 05:25 PM
How is that even possible? :eek::eek::eek:

Easy. Look at ReLoad. ;)

MPF
09-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Easy. Look at ReLoad. ;)

Manky, we rarely disagree, but you are fucking nuts to think St. Anger is better then Reload.

Yes, the B-sides album from Load is Miles superior to St. Anger. That's not even an option. It's law. :D

mankvill
09-18-2011, 05:45 PM
Manky, we rarely disagree, but you are fucking nuts to think St. Anger is better then Reload.

Yes, the B-sides album from Load is Miles superior to St. Anger. That's not even an option. It's law. :D

Both ravenheart and I think St. Anger is better then ReLoad. Yes, it's still a bad album, but ReLoad is terrible shit. And ReLoad even has one of my favorite Metallica songs on it!

BloodoftheKings
09-18-2011, 05:50 PM
ReLoad is terrible, I can't even say which one is worse because they're both impossible to sit through.

MPF
09-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Both ravenheart and I think St. Anger is better then ReLoad. Yes, it's still a bad album, but ReLoad is terrible shit. And ReLoad even has one of my favorite Metallica songs on it!

Is it really fair to compare a B-sides album to a legit Studio album?

That's like comparing Rush's Moving Pictures to their covers album Feedback. Not a real fair comparison in my eyes. It's a Legal comparison, just not right.

daimonos
09-18-2011, 05:54 PM
The spoken word part sounded dumb, but I'm not going to lie, the riffs and music actually sounded like they could be pretty interesting.

daimonos
09-18-2011, 05:56 PM
How is ReLoad a B-sides album? I was always under the impression that they just had two albums planned. Just because all the songs were written at the same time doesn't make the songs that were released later B-sides. They obviously didn't put all the 'good songs' on Load, otherwise Fuel and The Memory Remains and other 'single' like songs would have been included.

MPF
09-18-2011, 05:59 PM
How is ReLoad a B-sides album? I was always under the impression that they just had two albums planned. Just because all the songs were written at the same time doesn't make the songs that were released later B-sides. They obviously didn't put all the 'good songs' on Load, otherwise Fuel and The Memory Remains and other 'single' like songs would have been included.

It wasn't planned out like that originally. They recorded Load, but still liked a lot of songs that didn't make the cut for Load, so they made ReLoad.

That said ReLoad is a shitty album, but there is still 4-5 redeeming songs on it. What redeeming songs are on St. Anger?

BloodoftheKings
09-18-2011, 06:02 PM
It wasn't planned out like that originally. They recorded Load, but still liked a lot of songs that didn't make the cut for Load, so they made ReLoad.

That said ReLoad is a shitty album, but there is still 4-5 redeeming songs on it. What redeeming songs are on St. Anger?

Lars said they were making a double album but they had to put out the first half (Load) early because they got offered to play lollapalooza. ReLoad was supposed to be the second half, not B sides.

mankvill
09-18-2011, 06:03 PM
Is it really fair to compare a B-sides album to a legit Studio album?

That's like comparing Rush's Moving Pictures to their covers album Feedback. Not a real fair comparison in my eyes. It's a Legal comparison, just not right.

Amnesiac is a B-Sides album and it's miles better than Kid A!

MPF
09-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Lars said they were making a double album but they had to put out the first half (Load) early because they got offered to play lollapalooza. ReLoad was supposed to be the second half, not B sides.

Fair enough.

Amnesiac is a B-Sides album and it's miles better than Kid A!

I'm not too deep into Radiohead. So you could be right.

jd091
09-18-2011, 06:31 PM
Manky, we rarely disagree

djent

MPF
09-18-2011, 07:13 PM
djent

coughOCEANOcough

Sorry what? ;)

There is a lot of bands we agree on, and a lot of outspoken arguments of the bands we don't.

ShatteredFlame
09-18-2011, 07:18 PM
Amnesiac is a B-Sides album and it's miles better than Kid A!

nah

jd091
09-18-2011, 07:21 PM
coughOCEANOcough

Sorry what? ;)

There is a lot of bands we agree on, and a lot of outspoken arguments of the bands we don't.

Dude, I hate Oceano! You know that!

mankvill
09-18-2011, 07:24 PM
nah

:mad:

MPF
09-18-2011, 07:28 PM
Dude, I hate Oceano! You know that!

Oh that's right, I was confusing them with that other Deathcore band out there...Old guys like me can't tell the difference between Deathcore bands.



But seriously yes Oceano is a band we can all hate here with 100% acceptability.

moobys37
09-18-2011, 07:29 PM
It wasn't planned out like that originally. They recorded Load, but still liked a lot of songs that didn't make the cut for Load, so they made ReLoad.

That said ReLoad is a shitty album, but there is still 4-5 redeeming songs on it. What redeeming songs are on St. Anger?

http://everydayyeah.com/files/imagepicker/1/edy1405.jpg

Invisible Kid got stuck where he hid... Kidding, there's nothing redeemable at all about St. Anger.

I like the riff we get a taste of at the end of the sample, but the lyrics of the Lou part are really lame.

mankvill
09-18-2011, 07:32 PM
It wasn't planned out like that originally. They recorded Load, but still liked a lot of songs that didn't make the cut for Load, so they made ReLoad.

That said ReLoad is a shitty album, but there is still 4-5 redeeming songs on it. What redeeming songs are on St. Anger?

If I had to make a list of my top Metallica songs, St. Anger would probably make the top 20. I dunno, I just really like the song.

MPF
09-18-2011, 07:43 PM
http://everydayyeah.com/files/imagepicker/1/edy1405.jpg

Invisible Kid got stuck where he hid... Kidding, there's nothing redeemable at all about St. Anger.

I like the riff we get a taste of at the end of the sample, but the lyrics of the Lou part are really lame.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

James singing made up for the spoken word part. I just hope that's not all that Lou Reed does with the album.

If I had to make a list of my top Metallica songs, St. Anger would probably make the top 20. I dunno, I just really like the song.


That's one song. And I will say St. Anger is better live then on record.

But it doesn't live up to Fuel, Unforgiven II, Carpe Diem. Prince Charming, and Low Man's Lyric.

mankvill
09-18-2011, 07:52 PM
That's one song. And I will say St. Anger is better live then on record.

But it doesn't live up to Fuel, Unforgiven II, Carpe Diem. Prince Charming, and Low Man's Lyric.



I can't sssssssssTAND Unforgiven II. :hecho:

Off of St. Anger, Frantic and Some Kind of Monster are okay, too.

TonyD
09-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Lou Reed's vocals are ridiculous, James' aren't terrible but aren't great either. The rest of the song doesn't sound bad.

Maidenmagic
09-19-2011, 04:44 AM
St. Anger is great, Re-load is crap.

El Gordo
09-19-2011, 05:26 AM
If I had to make a list of my top Metallica songs, St. Anger would probably make the top 20. I dunno, I just really like the song.

That's messed up. There isn't a single song on Metallica's first four albums that is worse than any song on St. Anger.

ravenheart
09-19-2011, 05:58 AM
I can't sssssssssTAND Unforgiven II. :hecho:

Off of St. Anger, Frantic and Some Kind of Monster are okay, too.

I love Unforgiven II :finger:

Also Low Man's Lyric, The Memory Remains, Devil's Dance and Better Than You.

Fuel is alright too.

Off St. Anger I don't really have any standouts except 'Some Kind of Monster'. The rest I like as much as each other. And they're all better than 'Fixxxer'.

I'll honestly put on any of the last four albums before I put on 'Kill 'em All'. It's an important album and all, and clearly musically from a thrash perspective there's some great shit there, but really, 'Hit The Lights', 'Metal Militia', 'Motorbreath' and 'Jump In Fire' and shit songs. They're such cliches that if any thrash band recorded them now, they'd be hated for copying the old sound but writing shitty power metal lyrics. I don't even care when they bust out one of those in the encore at shows. The disc has its classic ('Seek And Destroy'), but it can't touch 'Ride The Lightning' and 'Master of Puppets'. Not even close.

Butcher of Birth
09-19-2011, 07:25 AM
Both ravenheart and I think St. Anger is better then ReLoad. Yes, it's still a bad album, but ReLoad is terrible shit. And ReLoad even has one of my favorite Metallica songs on it!

I like St. Anger better.

eyekantspele
09-19-2011, 03:43 PM
If I had to list the Metallica albums from most favourite to least favourite it would look like this:

Master Of Puppets
Ride The Lightning
... And Justice For All
Kill Em All
Death Magnetic
Black Album
Load
Garage Inc
St. Anger
ReLoad

I put St Anger above ReLoad because I can actually get into the songs when I watch Some Kind Of Monster. Reload has maybe 4 good songs and the rest I just can't get into. St. Anger could actually be a good album if someone could get the master files and change the snare sound and add some solos.

imanidiot777
09-20-2011, 02:49 AM
I love Unforgiven II :finger:

Also Low Man's Lyric, The Memory Remains, Devil's Dance and Better Than You.

Fuel is alright too.

Off St. Anger I don't really have any standouts except 'Some Kind of Monster'. The rest I like as much as each other. And they're all better than 'Fixxxer'.

I'll honestly put on any of the last four albums before I put on 'Kill 'em All'. It's an important album and all, and clearly musically from a thrash perspective there's some great shit there, but really, 'Hit The Lights', 'Metal Militia', 'Motorbreath' and 'Jump In Fire' and shit songs. They're such cliches that if any thrash band recorded them now, they'd be hated for copying the old sound but writing shitty power metal lyrics. I don't even care when they bust out one of those in the encore at shows. The disc has its classic ('Seek And Destroy'), but it can't touch 'Ride The Lightning' and 'Master of Puppets'. Not even close.

This is just amazing to me. I didn't know there was anyone in the world who could say any of the albums from Load and on forward were better than any of the first four albums.

Here is my order:

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning
4. Kill 'Em All
5. Black Album
6. Death Magnetic
7. S&M
8. Load
9. Garage Days
10. Reload
11. St. Anger

imanidiot777
09-20-2011, 02:50 AM
That's messed up. There isn't a single song on Metallica's first four albums that is worse than any song on St. Anger.

This 10000x

mankvill
09-20-2011, 05:13 AM
That's messed up. There isn't a single song on Metallica's first four albums that is worse than any song on St. Anger.

I'll say it: I think Leper Messiah fucking sucks.

BloodoftheKings
09-20-2011, 05:22 AM
I was reading some of the comments for the 30 second clip, the amount of bitching over a clip so short it barely tells you anything about the final product is insane. These kids are saying shit like "it's gonna be the worst Metallica album" and "Metallica sold out again" even though Metallica barely had anything to do with writing this album. :tp:

ravenheart
09-20-2011, 06:04 AM
This is just amazing to me. I didn't know there was anyone in the world who could say any of the albums from Load and on forward were better than any of the first four albums.

That's because there are so few people with their own opinions. Everyone is SUPPOSED to like the first four albums more than any of the others, so they all do.

There are certain albums in metal (and probably in most genres) that have become "protected" over the years. The first four Metallica albums, the first six Black Sabbath albums, 'Among The Living', 'Powerslave', 'British Steel', 'Reign In Blood', a few others.

Just like there are several albums for which it's law to hate.

At the same time you've got people who want to get noticed for making bold, sweeping statements, who will say things about the "protected" albums that are entirely negative. Neither camp seems capable of actually making objective assessments of the records. They either want to buy into the legend status, or go completely against it.

Fact remains, those songs I mentioned on 'Kill 'em All' are shit songs and if they weren't on an album that's it's become so forbidden to speak against, they'd be called out as shit songs.

ravenheart
09-20-2011, 06:09 AM
I'll say it: I think Leper Messiah fucking sucks.

That'd be my least favourite track on Master as well. I also don't like Fight Fire With Fire off Lightning very much.

AnthG
09-20-2011, 08:02 AM
That's because there are so few people with their own opinions. Everyone is SUPPOSED to like the first four albums more than any of the others, so they all do.

There are certain albums in metal (and probably in most genres) that have become "protected" over the years. The first four Metallica albums, the first six Black Sabbath albums, 'Among The Living', 'Powerslave', 'British Steel', 'Reign In Blood', a few others.

Just like there are several albums for which it's law to hate.

At the same time you've got people who want to get noticed for making bold, sweeping statements, who will say things about the "protected" albums that are entirely negative. Neither camp seems capable of actually making objective assessments of the records. They either want to buy into the legend status, or go completely against it.

Fact remains, those songs I mentioned on 'Kill 'em All' are shit songs and if they weren't on an album that's it's become so forbidden to speak against, they'd be called out as shit songs.

Outside of the RTL through AJFA, I think I MAY put on Black Album some times before Kill em All. You're right about the protected album thing (I mean, really, fuck Reign in Blood), but in my opinion there's still no way Load and Reload come on before Kill Em all. Popular opinion or not.

TonyD
09-20-2011, 11:04 AM
I'll say it: I think Leper Messiah fucking sucks.

...and all points you have made in the past or will make in the future will be invalid.

BloodoftheKings
09-20-2011, 03:23 PM
I definitely agree that no albums should be protected and everyone should be allowed to have their own opinion but most of those albums are "protected" for a good reason. The only album of this status I will say sucks is Appetite For Destruction or any other Guns N' Roses album, and there's several albums like that I like but will admit are very over rated. *cough*Vulgar Display of Power*cough*

ravenheart
09-20-2011, 03:29 PM
The only album of this status I will say sucks is Appetite For Destruction or any other Guns N' Roses album

...and all points you have made in the past or will make in the future will be invalid.

:hmm:

Dextrimental
09-20-2011, 03:43 PM
I think disliking an album and not being able to respect its influence are two different lines that get blurred. I have a lot of friends who don't like punk music, but know its incredibly influential on many of their favorite bands. I like most classic 'protected' albums, but even if I'm not a huge fan of a particular one, I can still respect what it did for its style of music.

El Gordo
09-20-2011, 03:43 PM
I'll say it: I think Leper Messiah fucking sucks.

That might be true, but if it is then everything on St. Anger both sucks and blows.

mankvill
09-20-2011, 04:08 PM
...and all points you have made in the past or will make in the future will be invalid.

Pfft, Leper Messiah was the beginning of the end for Metallica. I think that songs has so much in common with Sad But True, which uber sux.

Maidenmagic
09-20-2011, 04:12 PM
I think disliking an album and not being able to respect its influence are two different lines that get blurred. I have a lot of friends who don't like punk music, but know its incredibly influential on many of their favorite bands. I like most classic 'protected' albums, but even if I'm not a huge fan of a particular one, I can still respect what it did for its style of music.

I don't like punk either but no punk: no thrash. Also agree with the protected albums point. The two classic protected albums (that I've heard) that don't do anything for me musically nor justify their position as classics are British Steel and Screaming for Vengeance. Yes there are a handful of tracks that are good on both but as a whole they're not good. Same thing for Master of puppets even though Disposable Heroes and Damage Inc are two of my favorite Metallica songs.

makethemsuffer12
09-20-2011, 05:34 PM
Pfft, Leper Messiah was the beginning of the end for Metallica. I think that songs has so much in common with Sad But True, which uber sux.

stop

jd091
09-20-2011, 06:09 PM
stop

:lol:

I really don't like Sad But True too much, actually.

And ...And Justice was the pinnacle of Metallica, for me.

mankvill
09-20-2011, 06:11 PM
stop

search your heart

jd091
09-20-2011, 06:23 PM
search your heart

Went back and listened to it... yeah, you're right. Definitely the worst off of MoP. :lol:

SirLardsAlot
09-20-2011, 07:17 PM
Getting back to the actual topic.... did anyone hear this Lulu crap yet? I heard a clip yesterday... good God, it was awful.

Edit: Here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi15nyO3v6s

makethemsuffer12
09-20-2011, 07:48 PM
Getting back to the actual topic.... did anyone hear this Lulu crap yet?

About 7 pages ago. ;)

JRA
09-20-2011, 08:04 PM
Lou sounds like he'd rather be somewhere else. Also, this 30 second sample shit needs to stop. You want to release it to the public, put out the full fucking song, it's not like mainstream radio is gonna play this.

Epidemic Reign
09-21-2011, 12:59 AM
Just heard the preview of "The View" :lol: fucking terrible.

I don't see the core of Metallica's fanbase wanting anything to do with this, and I don't see the core of Lou Reed's fanbase wanting anything to do with this.

ravenheart
09-21-2011, 02:26 AM
Apparently, London Underground have banned the posters for this because it looks too much like graffitti :D

BloodoftheKings
09-21-2011, 03:30 AM
It still confuses me people can form any kind of opinion from a 30 second preview.

Epidemic Reign
09-21-2011, 03:41 AM
It still confuses me people can form any kind of opinion from a 30 second preview.

That's the point of a preview... to generate an opinion in the listener's head. Hopefully the listener has a GOOD opinion of the preview, and then you're well on your way to selling an album.

Sure, it's awfully short. But 30 seconds of something will either impress you or it won't. Just ask my ex-girlfriends.

ravenheart
09-21-2011, 03:44 AM
Previews are only a problem for impatient people.

MPF
09-21-2011, 04:07 AM
It comes out next week. Calm the fuck down!

imanidiot777
09-21-2011, 04:17 AM
That's because there are so few people with their own opinions. Everyone is SUPPOSED to like the first four albums more than any of the others, so they all do.

There are certain albums in metal (and probably in most genres) that have become "protected" over the years. The first four Metallica albums, the first six Black Sabbath albums, 'Among The Living', 'Powerslave', 'British Steel', 'Reign In Blood', a few others.

Just like there are several albums for which it's law to hate.

At the same time you've got people who want to get noticed for making bold, sweeping statements, who will say things about the "protected" albums that are entirely negative. Neither camp seems capable of actually making objective assessments of the records. They either want to buy into the legend status, or go completely against it.

Fact remains, those songs I mentioned on 'Kill 'em All' are shit songs and if they weren't on an album that's it's become so forbidden to speak against, they'd be called out as shit songs.

Personally I actually do like the first five Metallica albums the best. I love the Black Album. I don't really like albums just because people say they are good. Reign in Blood is not my favorite Slayer album, Seasons is (not that that means anything I just figured I'd say it lol).

imanidiot777
09-21-2011, 04:19 AM
I definitely agree that no albums should be protected and everyone should be allowed to have their own opinion but most of those albums are "protected" for a good reason. The only album of this status I will say sucks is Appetite For Destruction or any other Guns N' Roses album, and there's several albums like that I like but will admit are very over rated. *cough*Vulgar Display of Power*cough*

Yeah I don't understand why Vulgar Display of Power is so highly regarded over the others, I mean, I love the album, but Far Beyond Driven is by far my favorite.

ravenheart
09-21-2011, 04:54 AM
Personally I actually do like the first five Metallica albums the best. I love the Black Album. I don't really like albums just because people say they are good. Reign in Blood is not my favorite Slayer album, Seasons is (not that that means anything I just figured I'd say it lol).

Reign In Blood is probably my least favourite... well, maybe not that bad, but it's bottom half for sure :lol:

imanidiot777
09-21-2011, 07:13 AM
Reign In Blood is probably my least favourite... well, maybe not that bad, but it's bottom half for sure :lol:

Seasons in the Abyss = amazing

ravenheart
09-21-2011, 07:17 AM
Seasons in the Abyss = amazing

Yep, Seasons, South of Heaven, God Hates Us All and Hell Awaits are probably the top half or so.

Bottom half is definitely Reign In Blood, Divine Intervention, Undisputed Attitude, Christ Illusion and World Painted Blood.

Diabolus In Music and Show No Mercy floating around the middle somewhere.

JRA
09-21-2011, 06:48 PM
British Steel is protected? Since the fuck when? I'm the biggest Priest fan here and that's easily the most overrated Priest album.

AnthG
09-21-2011, 11:09 PM
*cough*Vulgar Display of Power*cough*

This I definitely agree with. It's not even the best Pantera album.

jd091
09-21-2011, 11:12 PM
This I definitely agree with. It's not even the best Pantera album.

Cowboys>Vulgar>Driven

ravenheart
09-22-2011, 02:24 AM
that's easily the most overrated Priest album.

Basically my point.

MPF
09-22-2011, 02:37 AM
So to make up for not being on the last few pages:

Metallica- Ride The Lightning
Judas Priest- Angel Of Retribution
Pantera- The Great Southern Trendkill
Iron Maiden- Seventh Son Of The Seventh Son
Slayer-Seasons Of The Abyss

hellawaits77ny
09-22-2011, 02:49 AM
Pfft, Leper Messiah was the beginning of the end for Metallica. I think that songs has so much in common with Sad But True, which uber sux.

Leper isn't their best, but you're a little over the top.

imanidiot777
09-22-2011, 03:28 AM
Cowboys>Vulgar>Driven

Trendkill and Driven are definitely the best two.

makethemsuffer12
09-22-2011, 03:47 AM
Trendkill and Driven are definitely the best two.

http://leatherrebel.com/website%20pics/Pantera/pantera-powermetal.jpg

How many times do I have to tell you people that you are all wrong?

ravenheart
09-22-2011, 04:01 AM
http://leatherrebel.com/website%20pics/Pantera/pantera-powermetal.jpg

How many times do I have to tell you people that you are all wrong?

I REALLY wish they'd re-release that.

AnthG
09-22-2011, 05:46 AM
Trendkill and Driven are definitely the best two.

This. Granted I haven't heard all of Cowboys, and maybe a song or two off Reinventing the Steel. Then again no one's even talking about Steel at all, so I guess that should be 'nuff said.

On topic, Lou Reed sounds out of place in that sample.

TonyD
09-22-2011, 08:54 AM
Does anyone else find it ironic that that was just 4 albums before The Great Southern Trendkill?

TonyD
09-22-2011, 08:58 AM
Pfft, Leper Messiah was the beginning of the end for Metallica. I think that songs has so much in common with Sad But True, which uber sux.

bro, 3:35 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI6Ubb7zJI8)

JRA
09-22-2011, 08:59 AM
Basically my point.


I mean journalists and lists etc. are much closer to getting it right when they list Screaming For Vengeance as the best Priest album.

MPF
09-23-2011, 11:18 PM
Ok ok ok, back on Topic. Here's the 90 second preview of The View:

http://www.loureedmetallica.com/news/preview-of-%27the-view%27

SomewhereInTime72
09-23-2011, 11:49 PM
Ok now I'm pretty sure these styles do not mesh well together. Not this way. Hoping to be proved wrong in the long run though.

jd091
09-24-2011, 12:08 AM
Ok ok ok, back on Topic. Here's the 90 second preview of The View:

http://www.loureedmetallica.com/news/preview-of-%27the-view%27

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/249/1/6/jackie_chan___wtf_by_sailor_capricorn-d2y4lvi.jpg

I don't really mind the Metallica part, but even then it sounds like a b-side of Load at best. Pretty pitiful.

Butcher of Birth
09-24-2011, 01:38 AM
http://i.qkme.me/1p64.jpg

30 seconds (to mars) is one thing... 90 is another... I don't like how this is coming along.

mastodon421
09-24-2011, 04:10 AM
This is looking like one of the worst albums of the year. Complete and utter shit.

Maidenmagic
09-24-2011, 05:27 AM
Not too bad. Like I've said before, I like "artsy" music. The way Lou Reed says his words reminds me of Ace Frehley.

BloodoftheKings
09-24-2011, 06:20 AM
It honestly doesn't sound that bad. So there's gonna be spoken word parts, deal with it, I highly doubt that's the whole album.

mankvill
09-24-2011, 07:35 AM
Sounds epic. :fist:

GarageMetal468
09-24-2011, 07:40 AM
:wallbang:

I stopped listening to Absu to listen to this?! Fuck, man.

ravenheart
09-24-2011, 09:15 AM
I still mostly likely it. But it is funny hearing bits where Lou Reed tries to break into actual singing, realises he can't do it, and goes back to just speaking again :lol:

SomewhereInTime72
09-24-2011, 11:19 AM
It honestly doesn't sound that bad. So there's gonna be spoken word parts, deal with it, I highly doubt that's the whole album.

I don't mind the spoken word as much as I do the extremely lame sounding metal behind it.

MPF
09-24-2011, 06:42 PM
I still mostly likely it. But it is funny hearing bits where Lou Reed tries to break into actual singing, realises he can't do it, and goes back to just speaking again :lol:


........WORSHIP!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nater
09-24-2011, 07:37 PM
St. Anger is going to sound like Kill Em All after it's all said and done

mankvill
09-24-2011, 07:52 PM
I think you guys are forgetting that this is a Lou Reed record featuring Metallica, not the other way around. Metallica is big, but not as big as Lou Reed and The Velvet Underground.

ravenheart
09-24-2011, 08:27 PM
It honestly doesn't sound that bad. So there's gonna be spoken word parts, deal with it, I highly doubt that's the whole album.

Me either, but I do have a lingering doubt that the vocals are going to consistently sound like they're from a different song to the music.

eyekantspele
09-24-2011, 08:55 PM
It sounds more like Lou Reed is narrating rather than singing. Metallica might as well have done a collaboration with Morgan Freeman.

slapguitarer
09-24-2011, 09:12 PM
I wonder if all the Lou Reed fans are bitching about this more than the Metallica fans are. If so, they have more right to bitch, since it is Lou Reed's record, not Metallica's.

BloodoftheKings
09-24-2011, 09:23 PM
I wonder if all the Lou Reed fans are bitching about this more than the Metallica fans are. If so, they have more right to bitch, since it is Lou Reed's record, not Metallica's.

Most Lou Reed fans don't use the internet.

300%_Density
09-24-2011, 10:32 PM
I wonder if all the Lou Reed fans are bitching about this more than the Metallica fans are. If so, they have more right to bitch, since it is Lou Reed's record, not Metallica's.

I'll take a shot in the dark here and assume that they are a little more open minded and I would just bet you that if Lou Reed decided to get a haircut fans wouldn't call him a sellout.

IrritatedTrout
09-25-2011, 12:19 AM
It's not about being close-minded or just listening to metal, or any of that bullshit. The fact is this just sucks. Lou Reed is a dirty old hobo that can't sing or even speak well.:hecho:

mankvill
09-25-2011, 03:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LWtb621DRg&feature=player_embedded

Here's "The View"

masterguy49
09-25-2011, 04:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LWtb621DRg&feature=player_embedded

Here's "The View"

"The View"
Starring James Hetfield as THE TABLE

mankvill
09-25-2011, 04:05 PM
"The View"
Starring James Hetfield as THE TABLE

James apparently has been taking some cues from Tyler, The Creator

makethemsuffer12
09-25-2011, 04:24 PM
I think I'd rather watch The View.

BloodoftheKings
09-25-2011, 05:17 PM
It's not great but way better then people are making it out to be. The last 2 minutes of the song is sick.

powerslave_85
09-25-2011, 07:12 PM
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in a really, really long time. Jesus Christ.

MPF
09-25-2011, 07:22 PM
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in a really, really long time. Jesus Christ.

Dont say that!!!!!!!!





The album isn't out yet, there might be one worse on it.

Imagine the 19 minute long song.

jd091
09-25-2011, 07:27 PM
I'm just gonna pretend that Metallica is over their teen angst and unsubscribe from this thread.

Epidemic Reign
09-25-2011, 07:28 PM
Apparently the last track on the album is almost twenty minutes long :eek:

Edit: apparently I forgot to read the page I'm on...

JRA
09-25-2011, 07:34 PM
Do I really want to interrupt my Judas Priest playlist for this?:hmm:

MPF
09-25-2011, 07:35 PM
Do I really want to interrupt my Judas Priest playlist for this?:hmm:

Only if you want to be disgusted...or take this song as a joke.

JRA
09-25-2011, 07:40 PM
Only if you want to be disgusted...or take this song as a joke.

Perhaps I should stare at 2 girls 1 cup, tubgirl, babypaste, painseries or beecock while listening for the full effect?

MPF
09-25-2011, 07:46 PM
Perhaps I should stare at 2 girls 1 cup, tubgirl, babypaste, painseries or beecock while listening for the full effect?

It might help take some of the sting out.

BA-ZING!

JRA
09-25-2011, 07:49 PM
The weakest link in this is definitely Lou. He sounds so awkward.

moobys37
09-25-2011, 08:07 PM
The way Lou says worship "Wership" really gets on my nerves. The lyrics are really awful too. James is The Table and The Tablet? He can't be both dammit!

MPF
09-25-2011, 08:09 PM
The way Lou says worship "Wership" really gets on my nerves. The lyrics are really awful too. James is The Table and The Tablet? He can't be both dammit!

He's also the Root.

It's the trifecta!



or something I don't really know/care.

moobys37
09-25-2011, 08:16 PM
He's also the Root.

It's the trifecta!



or something I don't really know/care.

He's really into being the The Table.

The one positive about this, the production is the best that anything involving Metallica's had since 1991.

Epidemic Reign
09-25-2011, 10:52 PM
He's really into being the The Table.

The one positive about this, the production is the best that anything involving Metallica's had since 1991.

Whaaat. I thought Load and Reload had great production... just very hit-and-miss songwriting.

BTW I love your user title :fist:

IrritatedTrout
09-25-2011, 11:10 PM
Someone from Blabbermouth said it best: "I actively despise this shit."

MPF
09-26-2011, 12:33 AM
Someone from Blabbermouth said it best: "I actively despise this shit."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Epidemic Reign
09-26-2011, 12:41 AM
When I hear Lou speak on "The View", all I can think about is how much better it would sound if it were Mayor Quimby instead.

SomewhereInTime72
09-26-2011, 12:59 AM
I don't know what I dislike about this. It's not Lou... it's not James...

It's the whole thing. Put it all together and it just sounds really bad. I don't want to hear this and hate on Metallica for trying something new. So I think I'll just steer clear.

edit: actually it might be james and the fact that the riffs are complete weaksauce

ravenheart
09-26-2011, 01:45 AM
Whaaat. I thought Load and Reload had great production... just very hit-and-miss songwriting.

Er, yeah. Load and Reload's production is easily better than everything before or since.

DethMaiden
09-26-2011, 07:47 AM
Alright, don't really like "The View" at all. Bummer.

ravenheart
09-26-2011, 07:53 AM
Will listen to the full version tonight when I get home. I've still got this doubt that the vocals and music will sound too disjointed and like a failed mix of two completely separate songs...

AnthG
09-26-2011, 09:20 AM
Yeah that song wasn't that good.

darkguardian50
09-26-2011, 09:31 AM
I wanna see this song commit suicide.

This is may be the worst thing I have ever heard metallica do. Its seriously fucking terrible. At least the production doesn't sound like it was done in a gas station bathroom.

ravenheart
09-26-2011, 09:43 AM
Alright, I'll say it, I actually like it :eyes:

Except the bits where Lou tries to sing.

Maidenmagic
09-26-2011, 12:16 PM
I like it.

Hangar19
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
Wait, I'm confused. Who is the table?

Epidemic Reign
09-26-2011, 01:20 PM
Wait, I'm confused. Who is the table?

http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGRELATED/iamtable_260911043142.jpg

TonyD
09-26-2011, 02:17 PM
http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGRELATED/iamtable_260911043142.jpg

I knew this wasn't gonna take long

Maidenmagic
09-26-2011, 03:00 PM
And I really thought the lyrics said "tablet."

El Gordo
09-26-2011, 06:16 PM
I've listened to this song a few times now, and am convinced it's one of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever heard outside of your average radio pop music. Reed sounds like garbage over the half-assed riffing (not that it's a horrible riff, it just goes on for way too long). The song gets pretty good for about 30 seconds towards the end because they actually start doing something INTERESTING. If this is what the whole album is like, well, what a fucking train wreck.

MPF
09-26-2011, 06:21 PM
Think of it this way....This is the single, what's suppose to be the best song off the album to capture interest and be the catchiest.



Now imagine the other songs....

moobys37
09-26-2011, 06:23 PM
And I really thought the lyrics said "tablet."

They do.

BloodoftheKings
09-26-2011, 06:31 PM
James without a doubt says "I am the table". This isn't like the "kill a cop" "killer kult" situation. He does say "I am the tablet" somewhere in the middle of the song but at the end he says table repeatedly and it doesn't sound anything like tablet.

SomewhereInTime72
09-26-2011, 07:04 PM
http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGRELATED/iamtable_260911043142.jpg

LOL

AnthG
09-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Was anyone else waiting for Lou to say "I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket"?

GarageMetal468
09-28-2011, 11:36 AM
The whole song is up now. I'm punching myself right now for pausing Running Wild to listen to this garbage.

Epidemic Reign
09-30-2011, 07:29 AM
Lyrics from the song "Dragon" have been released.
If you had any hopes left, read on ;)


You don't actually care
Love for you is no beginning
You're not really there
Hallucination

I thought you were listening
Hallucination
I thought you were listening
Hallucination

I understand you think you're above it
The adolescent sense of the sky
The feeling of billowing heartbeats
The fingertips run through your hair

They run through your hair
Hallucination
Hallucination

Oh you think you're so special
That there's no law meant for you
You come and go like the goddess you are
We're mere mortals below
Fingertips run through your hair
We are mere mortals below

Are meant to be peons
Are meant to be servants
Are meant to be dismissible objects
One fucks with
One fucks with

Poor pitiful creature

The winner in heartbreak
The winner in caring
The winner in every miniscule method of wearing
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy

An idiot's idiocy
My, my caring for you
Caring for you
Do you think we're a book
Some kind of a table
You can rest your feet on when you're able
Red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy
My caring for you
Poor pitiful creature

To notice the pining
The self deprivation
The self flagellation of you
Dear worshippers

We do like you regal
We do like you haughty
We do love to look upon your perfect body

The hair on your shoulders
The smell of your armpit
The taste of your vulva and everything on it
We all really love you
And you have no meaning
You don't even see us
You were never caring

You go do what you do
You do it for you
No one exists with you
You're way above caring
Leave a trail upon the wake
That no one ever tries to take
Because waiting for you
Thinking of you
Is another way of dying
Is another way of dying

I'm clawing your chest
'Til your collarbone bleeds
Piercing your nipples 'til I bite them off
I scratch your face and bite your shoulders
Way above caring
Way above caring
And your Kotex jukebox
Your Kotex jukebox

I'm doomed, I'm swearing
Waiting for you
In your high heels and nightie
Your leather dress squeaking
Latex now sweating, waiting for you
In your tincture
Your opium white bathrobe
Your white tiles run red now
Are we both dead now?

The liquid exchange of our heart
The liquid exchange of our heart
Are we both dead now?

You're way above caring
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy
My caring
My caring for you
My caring for you
You're way beyond caring
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy

My caring for you
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
Leave a trail upon the wake
That no one ever tries to take
Because waiting for you
Because thinking of you
Is another way of dying

You're way above caring
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
You poor pitiful creature
The mistake of feeling
The one who rejects you is the winner,
It's true
The winner in heartbreak
The winner in caring
The winner in every miniscule method of wearing
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy
Your heart on your fuckin' sleeve
My caring for you
We were meant to be peons
We're meant to be peons
Mere mortals below
Meant to be servants

Meant to be dismissible objects one fucks with
Oh, oh, oh you're so special
No law meant for you
You come and go like the goddess you are

The fingertips run through your hair
A billowing heart beats
Feeling
Feeling
What a glorious feeling
To be so rejected
So rejected

An idiot's idiocy
My caring for you
You think I'm a book or a table
You can rest your fuckin' feet on
When you're able

The taste of your vulva, everything on it
The hair on your shoulders
The smell of your armpit
We do love you, to look upon your perfect body
We love you regal
We love you haughty
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
Caring

Oh my dear
Oh my dear
Oh my dear
Oblivious to caring

Are we really dead now?
Are we both dead now?

ravenheart
09-30-2011, 07:35 AM
Oookkk...

BloodoftheKings
09-30-2011, 07:44 AM
Some kind of a table

You think I'm a book or a table


Is this going to be an ongoing theme on this album?

Epidemic Reign
09-30-2011, 07:50 AM
Is this going to be an ongoing theme on this album?

Dear God I hope so. This album is surely going to have a cult following of some sort due to its sheer ridiculousness.

ravenheart
09-30-2011, 08:02 AM
If they brought out t-shirts with "I AM THE TABLE" on the front, they'd sell a fuckload.

IrritatedTrout
09-30-2011, 08:18 AM
Just when Metallica had started taking steps in the right direction too. Goddamn.

MetalIsArt
09-30-2011, 09:31 AM
I think I'll just ignore this and wait for a new album of their own.

TonyD
09-30-2011, 10:08 AM
Looking around at some articles about the song. From Rolling Stone:
Metallica's instrumental track for "The View," cut that day in the same room where they made 2003's St. Anger, is an irregular stomp with a thrash-speed finish. Hetfield overdubs some new roars, then Hammett puts down a white-noise-blues break, not quite a solo but perfectly furious. The result – like the blinding propulsion of "Mistress Dread" and the violent swerves in crunch and rhythm in "Pumping Blood" – is a new kind of doom in metal, a brutal realism propelled by arena brawn. Reed listens to a playback with no expression on his face until the last power chord. "I feel refreshed by this," he says with a grin. "It was awfully good."
Only Rolling Stone.

MetalIsArt
09-30-2011, 11:25 AM
Looking around at some articles about the song. From Rolling Stone:

Only Rolling Stone.

I don't read Rolling Stone, the most unreliable reviewmagazine in the world.

DethMaiden
09-30-2011, 11:47 AM
I don't read Rolling Stone, the most unreliable reviewmagazine in the world.

Can you substantiate this claim?

BloodoftheKings
09-30-2011, 11:51 AM
Rolling Stone's review are horrible. I saw on Wikipedia that they gave King For a Day... Fool For a Lifetime (one of my favorite albums of all time) 2 stars. But they give trash like St. Anger and new Green Day good reviews.

DethMaiden
09-30-2011, 12:15 PM
"Unreliable" and "I disagree with this" are very different ideas. Rolling Stone, apart from its occasionally too-pandering trend and politics pieces, deals in very good, well-researched journalism.

makethemsuffer12
09-30-2011, 12:18 PM
Rolling Stone's review are horrible. I saw on Wikipedia that they gave King For a Day... Fool For a Lifetime (one of my favorite albums of all time) 2 stars. But they give trash like St. Anger and new Green Day good reviews.

I also remember reading something along the lines of somebody from Rolling Stone calling Load "the heaviest album of 1996". They also gave The Blackening a poor review.

ShatteredFlame
09-30-2011, 12:30 PM
"Unreliable" and "I disagree with this" are very different ideas. Rolling Stone, apart from its occasionally too-pandering trend and politics pieces, deals in very good, well-researched journalism.

pretty much agreed. I like their articles but can't agree with their reviews.

DethMaiden
09-30-2011, 12:34 PM
I also remember reading something along the lines of somebody from Rolling Stone calling Load "the heaviest album of 1996". They also gave The Blackening a poor review.

The Blackening is a poor album, though. ;)

Crionics
09-30-2011, 12:39 PM
Is this going to be an ongoing theme on this album?

Exactly what I thought :lol:

christopher
09-30-2011, 01:11 PM
I really don't want to go through 22 pages to see if this was posted, but it was fucking hysterical

Hitler reacts to Metallica recording with Lou Reed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9LcJwX9dnE&feature=related)

metallicbrian666
09-30-2011, 01:33 PM
The Blackening is a poor album, though. ;)
MFH MFH MFH MFH

JRA
09-30-2011, 03:00 PM
I also remember reading something along the lines of somebody from Rolling Stone calling Load "the heaviest album of 1996".

Any publication that gives Load a positive quality like that is unreliable. They are also unquestionably and unarguably wrong.

TonyD
09-30-2011, 03:34 PM
He's saying that's like your opinion man, but if you're gonna deny that Rolling Stone reviews music on anything other than reputation/popularity, you're dumb.
I really don't want to go through 22 pages to see if this was posted, but it was fucking hysterical

Hitler reacts to Metallica recording with Lou Reed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9LcJwX9dnE&feature=related)

I hope this is the last time I say this, but I agree with everything Hitler has to say.

christopher
09-30-2011, 04:06 PM
I hope this is the last time I say this, but I agree with everything Hitler has to say.

:lol:

daimonos
09-30-2011, 04:34 PM
I also remember reading something along the lines of somebody from Rolling Stone calling Load "the heaviest album of 1996". They also gave The Blackening a poor review.

Not only did they give The Blackening a poor review, but they compared it to Metallica's Load. And on the same exact page, they praised the hell out of The Arockalypse by Lordi. :bouville:

BloodoftheKings
09-30-2011, 11:00 PM
they praised the hell out of The Arockalypse by Lordi. :bouville:

:mad::flame:

ravenheart
10-01-2011, 03:05 AM
I really don't want to go through 22 pages to see if this was posted, but it was fucking hysterical

Hitler reacts to Metallica recording with Lou Reed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9LcJwX9dnE&feature=related)

I wouldn't have found this funny too if there were 100 of these things.

ravenheart
10-01-2011, 03:05 AM
"Unreliable" and "I disagree with this" are very different ideas. Rolling Stone, apart from its occasionally too-pandering trend and politics pieces, deals in very good, well-researched journalism.

To clarify for everyone, Brad wants a job at Rolling Stone ;)

MetalIsArt
10-02-2011, 12:49 AM
"Unreliable" and "I disagree with this" are very different ideas. Rolling Stone, apart from its occasionally too-pandering trend and politics pieces, deals in very good, well-researched journalism.

Examples:

- They hated Zeppelin in their prime, but in 2006 they were all of a sudden "the heaviest band evah".

- They hated Let It Be by The Beatles in 1970, but in 2003 it was rankend amongst the "500 greatest albums of all time".

- And indeed, the praise for Lordi was laughable. You have every right not to like MH's The Blackening, but please.

TonyD
10-02-2011, 12:52 AM
Examples:

- They hated Zeppelin in their prime, but in 2006 they were all of a sudden "the heaviest band evah".

- They hated Let It Be by The Beatles in 1970, but in 2003 it was rankend amongst the "500 greatest albums of all time".

- And indeed, the praise for Lordi was laughable. You have every right not to like MH's The Blackening, but please.

Pretty much this. Even though it's run by a completely different band of idiots than in the 70's, their song remains the same.

Epidemic Reign
10-02-2011, 01:04 AM
And indeed, the praise for Lordi was laughable. You have every right not to like MH's The Blackening, but please.

To be fair, Lordi had a decent short run of old school rock 'n' roll worship. The only thing Machine Head ever really accomplished was bridging the gap between nu-metal and groove metal.

ravenheart
10-02-2011, 01:41 AM
To be fair, Lordi had a decent short run of old school rock 'n' roll worship. The only thing Machine Head ever really accomplished was bridging the gap between nu-metal and groove metal.

This. Lordi's second and third albums are great if you look at them for what they're supposed to be, tongue-in-cheek, run rock 'n' roll. Which is only what bands like KISS, AC/DC, even Edguy make. People just automatically hate on Lordi for the costume gimmick. But then, we all know people aren't capable of listening to albums objectively.

Now, if Rolling Stone had gone all out over Lordi's last two albums, that would be different, because they suck.

So, moving on slightly, although still off topic, why does the "groove metal" genre people seem to have invented in the last few years not actually have any groove?

MetalIsArt
10-02-2011, 03:51 AM
This. Lordi's second and third albums are great if you look at them for what they're supposed to be, tongue-in-cheek, run rock 'n' roll. Which is only what bands like KISS, AC/DC, even Edguy make. People just automatically hate on Lordi for the costume gimmick. But then, we all know people aren't capable of listening to albums objectively.

Now, if Rolling Stone had gone all out over Lordi's last two albums, that would be different, because they suck.

So, moving on slightly, although still off topic, why does the "groove metal" genre people seem to have invented in the last few years not actually have any groove?

James Brown is dead! ;) :tongue:

TonyD
10-02-2011, 06:18 AM
Because it kinda sounds like Pantera?

JRA
10-02-2011, 06:34 AM
Pretty much this. Even though it's run by a completely different band of idiots than in the 70's, their song remains the same.

I see what you did there.

ravenheart
10-02-2011, 09:31 AM
Because it kinda sounds like Pantera?

Seems to be as good a guess as any. Not that much of it does, mind you.

ravenheart
10-02-2011, 11:22 AM
ICED HONEY

You can't put a butterfly in a jar
If the effort's too high no matter who you are
You can't catch the moon, or the sun or the stars
It doesn't matter who you are
Iced honey

Now me I've tried a million tricks
To make life cold and make it stick
Not running heat that flames then out
But the proud piece of ice that always floats
Iced honey

If I can't trap a butterfly or a bee
If I can't keep my heart where I want it to be
If no matter how much soul and heart
I put to the wood
If a flaming heart is not that good
Iced honey

If you can't put a butterfly in a jar
If violence mars your final hour
If you make others feel like jam
Poured on a piece of charbroiled lamb

If it's all mixed up and you cannot shout
And your oxygen starts to run out
If your final gasp has the recipe wrong
And instead of hello you say so long

If your energy starts to leak out
And people wonder what you're all about
A heartbreaker with an unattached heart
The story of love gives them all a start

And me, I've always been this way
Not by choice, just this way
I can't put my honey pot in a jar
Or a heart or a fist of some young boy

If you can't put a butterfly in a jar
No wonder no need to wonder where you are
It might seem like Hell, the river Styx
Your affection never sticks

No matter what you say, no matter what you do
A butterfly heart flies right past you
There's nothing to say, nothing to do
See if the ice will melt for you
Iced honey

IrritatedTrout
10-02-2011, 11:35 AM
Much better than the last two sets of lyrics but still stupid.

ravenheart
10-02-2011, 11:58 AM
I thought it was going to be a gay tribute band to Iced Earth...

BloodoftheKings
10-02-2011, 08:22 PM
No table lyrics :bouville:

mankvill
10-02-2011, 08:35 PM
No table lyrics :bouville:

"If no matter how much soul and heart
I put to the wood "

darkguardian50
10-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Lyrics from the song "Dragon" have been released.
If you had any hopes left, read on ;)


You don't actually care
Love for you is no beginning
You're not really there
Hallucination

I thought you were listening
Hallucination
I thought you were listening
Hallucination

I understand you think you're above it
The adolescent sense of the sky
The feeling of billowing heartbeats
The fingertips run through your hair

They run through your hair
Hallucination
Hallucination

Oh you think you're so special
That there's no law meant for you
You come and go like the goddess you are
We're mere mortals below
Fingertips run through your hair
We are mere mortals below

Are meant to be peons
Are meant to be servants
Are meant to be dismissible objects
One fucks with
One fucks with

Poor pitiful creature

The winner in heartbreak
The winner in caring
The winner in every miniscule method of wearing
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy

An idiot's idiocy
My, my caring for you
Caring for you
Do you think we're a book
Some kind of a table
You can rest your feet on when you're able
Red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy
My caring for you
Poor pitiful creature

To notice the pining
The self deprivation
The self flagellation of you
Dear worshippers

We do like you regal
We do like you haughty
We do love to look upon your perfect body

The hair on your shoulders
The smell of your armpit
The taste of your vulva and everything on it
We all really love you
And you have no meaning
You don't even see us
You were never caring

You go do what you do
You do it for you
No one exists with you
You're way above caring
Leave a trail upon the wake
That no one ever tries to take
Because waiting for you
Thinking of you
Is another way of dying
Is another way of dying

I'm clawing your chest
'Til your collarbone bleeds
Piercing your nipples 'til I bite them off
I scratch your face and bite your shoulders
Way above caring
Way above caring
And your Kotex jukebox
Your Kotex jukebox

I'm doomed, I'm swearing
Waiting for you
In your high heels and nightie
Your leather dress squeaking
Latex now sweating, waiting for you
In your tincture
Your opium white bathrobe
Your white tiles run red now
Are we both dead now?

The liquid exchange of our heart
The liquid exchange of our heart
Are we both dead now?

You're way above caring
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy
My caring
My caring for you
My caring for you
You're way beyond caring
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy

My caring for you
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
Leave a trail upon the wake
That no one ever tries to take
Because waiting for you
Because thinking of you
Is another way of dying

You're way above caring
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
You poor pitiful creature
The mistake of feeling
The one who rejects you is the winner,
It's true
The winner in heartbreak
The winner in caring
The winner in every miniscule method of wearing
Your heart on your sleeve
A red star of idiocy
An idiot's idiocy
Your heart on your fuckin' sleeve
My caring for you
We were meant to be peons
We're meant to be peons
Mere mortals below
Meant to be servants

Meant to be dismissible objects one fucks with
Oh, oh, oh you're so special
No law meant for you
You come and go like the goddess you are

The fingertips run through your hair
A billowing heart beats
Feeling
Feeling
What a glorious feeling
To be so rejected
So rejected

An idiot's idiocy
My caring for you
You think I'm a book or a table
You can rest your fuckin' feet on
When you're able

The taste of your vulva, everything on it
The hair on your shoulders
The smell of your armpit
We do love you, to look upon your perfect body
We love you regal
We love you haughty
Oblivious to caring
Oblivious to caring
Caring

Oh my dear
Oh my dear
Oh my dear
Oblivious to caring

Are we really dead now?
Are we both dead now?

When I was 10 I could have written something better than that. Fucking terrible.

I'm in the "pretend this never happened camp". Metallica has earned alot of mulligan's with me but they lost about 50 with St. Anger. So they are beginning to run short.

TonyD
10-03-2011, 09:48 AM
I see what you did there.
teehee
Seems to be as good a guess as any. Not that much of it does, mind you.

I said kinda. It doesn't fall into thrash or any other niche, it's just heavy, mid to fast paced and basically yelling vocals. That's Machine Head and Pantera in a nutshell right?

But on the topic, Metallica sucks.

Epidemic Reign
10-03-2011, 11:47 AM
The taste of your vulva, everything on it
The hair on your shoulders

Hi, can I get one vulva with everything on it and a medium shoulder hair to go, plz?

kthxbye

ravenheart
10-03-2011, 12:14 PM
I said kinda. It doesn't fall into thrash or any other niche, it's just heavy, mid to fast paced and basically yelling vocals. That's Machine Head and Pantera in a nutshell right?

Pantera actually grooved though. None of the other bands lumped into the "groove" genre do. At all.

Like most recently invented sub genres it's complete bullshit.

makethemsuffer12
10-03-2011, 12:43 PM
Pantera actually grooved though. None of the other bands lumped into the "groove" genre do. At all.


Even Pantera didn't have much groove, in the "swing" kind of sense. "Psycho Holiday" is the only thing that really comes to mind.

jd091
10-03-2011, 01:07 PM
Lamb of God = best groove metal

suck it pantera and machine head fanboys

ravenheart
10-03-2011, 01:37 PM
Even Pantera didn't have much groove, in the "swing" kind of sense. "Psycho Holiday" is the only thing that really comes to mind.

Five Minutes Alone, anyone?

ravenheart
10-03-2011, 01:38 PM
Lamb of God = best groove metal

suck it pantera and machine head fanboys

If by groove metal you mean absolutely no groove whatsoever. Which is apparently what everyone seems to mean by the term.

TonyD
10-03-2011, 01:46 PM
I'm getting the fuck out of here

metallicbrian666
10-03-2011, 02:21 PM
Lamb of God = best groove metal

suck it pantera and machine head fanboys
What u talking bout MFH is trash metal

Epidemic Reign
10-03-2011, 02:27 PM
What u talking bout MFH is trash metal

Seconded :lol:

El Gordo
10-03-2011, 02:55 PM
Even Pantera didn't have much groove, in the "swing" kind of sense. "Psycho Holiday" is the only thing that really comes to mind.

LOL "Walk" would like a word with you. That's the quintessential groove riff!

metallicbrian666
10-03-2011, 03:08 PM
Seconded :lol:
U HATIN ON THE FLYNN BRO?

makethemsuffer12
10-03-2011, 03:09 PM
LOL "Walk" would like a word with you. That's the quintessential groove riff!

Well I was thinking more of a "swinging" kinda groove, if you know what I mean.