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jd091
02-04-2011, 10:17 AM
From setlist.fm

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/times-of-grace/2011/the-quarter-baltimore-md-33d2c4dd.html

Strength in Numbers
Hope Remains
Fight for Life
Until the End of Days
In the Arms of Mercy
Live in Love
Worlds Apart
The End of Eternity
Hymn of a Broken Man
Where the Spirit Leads Me

I guess this is good news for fans of their album, but...

I wasn't there at all but seriously, :wtf:
You have 3/4 of the old KSE, an you don't break out any old tunes us old fans have been waiting years to hear? This pretty much guarantees me skipping this tour.

:(

MPF
02-04-2011, 10:47 AM
It might be 3/4 of the old KSE, but it's not KSE.

I'm actually pretty glad they aren't doing any KSE songs. If they have the same mindset I do, they don't want to play a show to fans only wanting to hear My Last Sernade and not care about the album they made.

jd091
02-04-2011, 11:50 AM
It might be 3/4 of the old KSE, but it's not KSE.

I'm actually pretty glad they aren't doing any KSE songs. If they have the same mindset I do, they don't want to play a show to fans only wanting to hear My Last Sernade and not care about the album they made.

True, but that set is only 40-45 minutes. For a headlining tour, that's just too damn short. To not throw in at least a couple AOJB songs is pretty disheartening. It doesn't have to be the big ones like My Last Serenade... just something...

:bouville:

AnthG
02-04-2011, 12:23 PM
The problem is doing a headlining tour in the first place. At least with just one album jump on a support tour or something.

kornisdabomb
02-04-2011, 02:29 PM
Yeah id agree do a support tour or add kse songs or cover songs 1 of the 3

coltongsmith
02-04-2011, 02:57 PM
From setlist.fm

I wasn't there at all but seriously, :wtf:
You have 3/4 of the old KSE, an you don't break out any old tunes us old fans have been waiting years to hear? This pretty much guarantees me skipping this tour.

:(

at the atlanta show where i went somebdoy yelled "Alive or Just breathing" and Jesse yelled backed "10 years ago." i don't think he has any intention of playing KsE songs ever as Times of Grace. he sees it as a total different band

mankvill
02-04-2011, 03:19 PM
- Guy starts a metalcore band that is semi-decent
- Guy leaves band
- Band then becomes a joke of their former self and becomes everything that is wrong in the world of extreme metal
- Guy decides to start a new band
- Fans see band but want to hear old band songs
- Guy doesn't play old band songs
- Fans get angry

c'mon

MPF
02-04-2011, 08:05 PM
at the atlanta show where i went somebdoy yelled "Alive or Just breathing" and Jesse yelled backed "10 years ago." i don't think he has any intention of playing KsE songs ever as Times of Grace. he sees it as a total different band

And that's how I look at it too.

It's like asking Mike Portnoy to cover Dream Theater in his next band(s), or having Seventh Void cover Type O Negative. It's not the same band.

jd091
02-04-2011, 10:47 PM
at the atlanta show where i went somebdoy yelled "Alive or Just breathing" and Jesse yelled backed "10 years ago." i don't think he has any intention of playing KsE songs ever as Times of Grace. he sees it as a total different band


And that's how I look at it too.

It's like asking Mike Portnoy to cover Dream Theater in his next band(s), or having Seventh Void cover Type O Negative. It's not the same band.

Hmm. Not quite. Adam D is the main creative force behind KsE; the only other influential member is what vocalist they have. Consequently, switching vocalists totally shifted the band's sound, dynamic, and musical structure. Adam D + Howard = the new KsE, and Adam D + Jesse = Old KsE, whether you like it or not. Take their eponymous first album: those songs just aren't played any more. It was pretty much a completely different band at the time, mostly due to the creative dynamics of Jesse.

The fact that Jesse is too arrogant or unwilling to recognize the fact that that dynamic exists is just plain sad in my mind. Jesse and Adam are old KsE, they can name themselves whatever they want and write new songs but it still doesn't change that fact. Due to what to me is just selfishness masked by decent intentions, they've turned away from their original fans, throwing a giant :bigfinger directly at us. I can understand where they're coming from, but not even throwing in 1 measly old song in our direction is a disservice not just to us, but to the great and influential metalcore gems that they crafted so many years ago. That was a different band from the KsE we know now. You gotta realize that, because most of your old fans do. And we would very much like to see the old, much better KsE back in action in some spiritual successor of some sort.

Please tell me I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Dominicus 1988
02-05-2011, 12:07 AM
Please tell me I'm not the only one that feels this way.

You're the only one who feels this way.

bobbie solo
02-05-2011, 12:33 AM
no, youre not wrong at all. u summed it up well. Its not the same as the silly portnoy/7th void examples....def. a false comparison made.

to form a band with the other creative force behind early KSE, have it sound VERY similar to KSE (almost identical on the heavy stuff), add another member from KSE for touring, DO SHOWS WITH KSE only a year ago singing some of that old material, and then come out and tour now and refuse to do a song or two from your highly regarded album (and the only reason anyone gave Seemless a chance) with those same members, is not right. Many people, myself included, bought a ticket to this partly bc i thought i'd get a KSE song or two. I like the ToG album alot, but wouldnt it be cool to throw the diehards a bone since they bought tix to this tour so early in this new band's career? Plus, arent you proud of that material? You should be, it's all amazing, and they barely toured behind it before Jesse quit right after the 2nd album came out.

If anything, make it clear before the tour starts that u wont be doing any KSE material. And if youre not into playing the KSE stuff, then u should at least play longer than apparently 45 minutes!

Rocco44
02-05-2011, 02:01 AM
Wow, no KSE songs, not even the full new album, and some jam in the middle? Maybe I shouldn't have expected more but I'm bummed at what this show could have been. oh well lol

jhdeity
02-05-2011, 08:31 AM
You're the only one who feels this way.

No you're not. I had free tix for this show but won an entry into a poker tournament and had to miss it. If I had seen they played a bunch of stuff from KSE's best album by a mile I would have been pissed. Especially since I got my Aces cracked 20 min in the the tourney by a donkey on a Jack high flush draw.

I actually like the new cd but that set sucks moose balls. Period.

jd091
02-06-2011, 12:48 AM
You're the only one who feels this way.

:fingers:

Dextrimental
02-06-2011, 01:05 AM
I am hoping for one of two things when I see these guys at Graspop in June.

1) they have by then put a KsE song into the set, something like 'life to lifeless' would be awesome, since they know full well its their biggest selling point.

2) they play this set, without the random jam, maybe a guitar trade off midway through a song, but nothing over a minute or two in length.

For them to not play Killswitch stuff sucks balls, even just to entice people in. Hell, in '95 theres footage of Down doing a 'walk' jam on youtube. Slash is doing Guns, Snakepit AND VR songs, Ozzy still does Paranoid, Iron Man, Rat Salad, Fairies Wear Boots among others live. This bands selling point is that they are Killswitch Engage members, hell with Jesse on vocals many would say this is the DEFINITIVE Killswitch line up, and if they are going to headline a tour, they should deliver what all the fans want. One album is not enough for a headlining tour, not at the length of their average album anyway. This is bad business sense, since although they will sell well this first tour, its not going to bear well for them in future tours.

jhdeity
02-06-2011, 01:13 AM
I am hoping for one of two things when I see these guys at Graspop in June.

1) they have by then put a KsE song into the set, something like 'life to lifeless' would be awesome, since they know full well its their biggest selling point.

2) they play this set, without the random jam, maybe a guitar trade off midway through a song, but nothing over a minute or two in length.

For them to not play Killswitch stuff sucks balls, even just to entice people in. Hell, in '95 theres footage of Down doing a 'walk' jam on youtube. Slash is doing Guns, Snakepit AND VR songs, Ozzy still does Paranoid, Iron Man, Rat Salad, Fairies Wear Boots among others live. This bands selling point is that they are Killswitch Engage members, hell with Jesse on vocals many would say this is the DEFINITIVE Killswitch line up, and if they are going to headline a tour, they should deliver what all the fans want. One album is not enough for a headlining tour, not at the length of their average album anyway. This is bad business sense, since although they will sell well this first tour, its not going to bear well for them in future tours.

Well said. I've said many times how much more I enjoyed KSE with JL but if he's that much of a dick I know why they split up in the 1st place. I wouldn't see them out of principle now until they play KSE. No KSE = no headlining tour. The album is good but it's not THAT good.

Dextrimental
02-06-2011, 01:39 AM
Well said. I've said many times how much more I enjoyed KSE with JL but if he's that much of a dick I know why they split up in the 1st place. I wouldn't see them out of principle now until they play KSE. No KSE = no headlining tour. The album is good but it's not THAT good.

Precisely. Do what Halford is doing, and to a lesser amount Slash, which is do support and festival slots pretty much everywhere, interspering them with headline off-dates. These guys could get main support on almost ANY tour going, which would be perfect time for them to play most of the first album, and then do a longer set headlining, doing some Killswitch stuff with the regular support slot. If I were them, that is what I would do, SPECIALLY since most of the Leach stuff hasn't been done live since he left the band, so I can only imagine playing it would be much like doing the Times Of Grace stuff anyway.

Dominicus 1988
02-06-2011, 06:31 AM
:fingers:

HAHAHAHA :party:

The point is he doesn't want to play any Killswitch. Send you're concerns to a website who might interview him during this tour so you can get a straight answer.

bobbie solo
02-06-2011, 11:25 AM
Oh please. If u don't want people salivating for kse material and u don't want to play it, then don't reunite w/2 members of that era of the band and make an album that sounds exactly like kse. He's being naive or a hypocrite, or both.

jd091
02-07-2011, 06:41 AM
HAHAHAHA :party:


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